robthehand 3 Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 North by Northwest (Bernard Herrmann, 3,000 copies) - conducted by Joel McNeelyNeighbors (Bill Conti and Tom Scott, 2,000 copies)By Love Possessed (Elmer Bernstein, 1,500 copies)The Tall Men (Victor Young, 1,500 copies)Magic Fire (Erich Wolfgang Korngold, 1,000 copies)CDs ship the week of December 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitch 57 Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 Nothing really to get excited about. Just ordered the Herrmann cd just to hear McNeely's take on it but I'll stick with Benny's own original recording on Rhino. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robthehand 3 Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 Me to....along with the other re-recording Varese released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted November 19, 2007 Author Share Posted November 19, 2007 I ordered:North by Northwest (Bernard Herrmann, 3,000 copies) - conducted by Joel McNeelyBy Love Possessed (Elmer Bernstein, 1,500 copies)The Tall Men (Victor Young, 1,500 copies)I'm excited about the NBNW, I love McNeely's Herrmann recordings and even though I have the Rhino CD many of the main cues suffered from damage.I know alot of people wanted a new release or re-recording. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 153 Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 Yeah the Rhino is not really listenable anymore (it used to bother me less), so that's a very nice surprise.I don't know the other releases, haven't seen the films, and probably won't buy them.I just wish they'd stop limiting these releases to 1000/1500 (well except the Conti releases; Varèse would release the worst score ever just if it was written by Conti); because later on (e.g. when I may have seen the films) I may become interested, but it will be too late then. I just can't afford buying all these 'just to be sure'. I see the marketing point of doing this, but then, FSM still releases at 3000 copies... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted November 19, 2007 Author Share Posted November 19, 2007 Well look at the age of the scores, Varese may figure the demand will be less and they won't have to sit on dead inventory.Don't forget Varese also releases mainstream soundtracks as well so it may help to have stuff you can move quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robthehand 3 Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 I ordered the Bernstein and Herrmann. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Andrade 1,260 Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 Romão should get the Korngold... isn't that a take on Wagner's music? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted November 19, 2007 Author Share Posted November 19, 2007 Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnyecks 33 Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 Bleh... I woke up early, on vacation in ARUBA... for these?...still, ordered 'em. Nothing like that big Alien announcement though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olivier 5 Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 Got Bernstein and Young without a shadow of a doubt.Got Neighbors, but for the rejected score, actually, as I liked its samples a lot, whereas the final score did not appeal to me.Wagner: I'd rather have complete recordings or a good compilation than a series of montages, hwoever well-done.Herrmann: I'll wait for the reviews, and should I miss it, I'll always have the DVD's isolated track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 Romão should get the Korngold... isn't that a take on Wagner's music?And I did I would also have ordered North by Northwest, but I do have the original recording and I really can't afford it at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 153 Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 Well look at the age of the scores, Varese may figure the demand will be less and they won't have to sit on dead inventory.I know, but they're overdoing it. It's purely capitalising on the limited number, it's not about making this available, it's about selling out fast.It should be a bit of both, look at Intrada, they seem to get the number right more. Well, not with Inchon But anyway, this is just nitpicking I suppose. I'm just saying, presumably I'll see a few of those films later on in life, and if I want to have the soundtracks then, I'll have to download them or something, because they're sold out; whereas I'd be more than happy to pay Varèse instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 Well I'm not getting anything from this batch. I still have three other CD's I need to buy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted November 19, 2007 Author Share Posted November 19, 2007 I figure if I buy a limited score that sells out on the first day and end up not liking it I can always re-sell it and maybe make a little extra.If you look at Intrada's releases you'll notice that alot of their releases are limited to 1200 to 1000 copies. now some of the bigger ones, Like Broughton and Williams, are 3000. But their David Newman, Delerue and Richard Band scores are in the 1200 range. Sometimes I think people feel that the releases should only cater to the 40/50 and under age group. There are film score fans in the 50 to 80 age range that grew up with these films and alot of these films didn't receive a soundtrack release. So this is great news for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 Hmmmm, I might get North by Northwest.North by Northwest (Bernard Herrmann, 3,000 copies) - conducted by Joel McNeelyWill this CD get cheaper, like as cheap as Psycho and Vertigo were by McNeely, or were those not limited to 3000 copies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 This will most likely not get cheaper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 So it's now or never?I guess I'll get Herrmann. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 Who knows, it may not sell out very fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 I usually take a sigh of relief when we get Club releases that I'm not interested in. Saves me money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,153 Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 It's nice to see a new McNeely Herrmann recording, but a bit sad to see he's no longer with the RSNO (though I don't know this orchestra). And it's a bit shocking that they now have to release those as limited editions.I need more Young, and the Korngold/Wagner also sounds interesting. But I'm afraid none of them are the kind of thing I'd order right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted November 20, 2007 Author Share Posted November 20, 2007 Unfortunately it appears it's no longer financially feasable to record with the RSNO. http://web1.joelmcneely.com/blog/music/200...y_northwest.phpThe soundclips sound fantastic and it appears McNeely got the tempo as close as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maglorfin 196 Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 Ordered Herrmann and Wagner/Korngold yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 Got the Bernstein, Young and Korngold/Wagner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsguardian 0 Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 Hope this isn't a dumb question, but with regard to North By Northwest... Is the DVD iso score the complete score as heard in the film? Or are there cues that are left out? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted November 21, 2007 Author Share Posted November 21, 2007 Yes the DVD iso score is the score as heard in the film only with all the edits to fit the movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robthehand 3 Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 Yes the cues that were unused in the film are missing from the iso score (naturally), but it has much better sound than any other release of the original tracks that I've heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,153 Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 Not better than the new release, I hope? Because the iso sounds very much like the old album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,662 Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 I'm sure that if any record company got the rights, they would release it as soon as possible. I emailed several companies, asking them to release it. THe ones that replied all said that they wanted to, but didn't have the rights.It's a real pity that money is the primary motivating factor in these things. In fact it seems almost criminal that the studios are just sitting on many scores because they know they will probably make money in the future, but can't be bothered to invest the necessary effort at present.And when a piece of tosh like JNH's Michael Clayton gets a proper CD release... well, speaks for itself doesn't it.I know a lot of people here still actively buy CDs, but I remain adamant that releasing some of these in good quality digital downloads would work. I mean with storage as cheap as it is, releasing in something like flac/ape lossless cannot be hard, and would allow those who want it to burn a real CD. Yes I know you don't get the artwork or the liner notes, but money is the biggest factor and the music is all that really matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robthehand 3 Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 Not better than the new release, I hope? Because the iso sounds very much like the old album.Which are you calling the "new release" and "old album"? I just meant that the iso score sounds better than the Rhino/Turner album from '95. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 Anyone knows what is the situation with The Man Who Knew Too Much? In A Heart at Fire's Center, it says the score is lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robthehand 3 Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 Anyone knows what is the situation with The Man Who Knew Too Much? In A Heart at Fire's Center, it says the score is lost.Not a single cue has appeared on any album, compilation, or bootleg, so I wouldn't be at all surprised if it was lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted November 21, 2007 Author Share Posted November 21, 2007 Maybe that could be another candidate for Morgan & Stromberg to record or McNeely and Varese could tackle it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robthehand 3 Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 I don't actually remember that much score from the film. I can only remember the main title, the cantata, and 2-3 underscore cues. Is there a lot more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,153 Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 Which are you calling the "new release" and "old album"? I just meant that the iso score sounds better than the Rhino/Turner album from '95.Whoops, I'm sorry. When I posted that I was mixing up this thread and the Alien one. The NbNW iso does sound good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted November 21, 2007 Author Share Posted November 21, 2007 I don't actually remember that much score from the film. I can only remember the main title, the cantata, and 2-3 underscore cues. Is there a lot more?To be honest I don't remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 Ordered North by Northwest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 How good is Varese with shipping? All my varese CDs were ordered from eBay or Amazon.They'll be shipping soon! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 They're decent. I've placed a couple of orders and haven't yet had any problems. However, I've heard less positive things about them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 I hate Varese shipping. $6 bucks for a thin slip of cardboard. My Home Alone 2 and Heartbeeps arrived creased and cracked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maglorfin 196 Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 I've had very positive experience so far. I live in Slovenia, which is just about as far from California as it gets , but still of many times that I ordered CDs from VS (I've always ordered their CDs directly from them, never from e. g. Amazon, where I otherwise order lots of other stuff), not even one time was anything out of order. The CDs always arrived in no more than 10 days from the shipping date and were always in perfect condition. I sure hope this doesn't change ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted November 30, 2007 Author Share Posted November 30, 2007 All of my orders from Varese, as well as Intrada, FSM/Screen Archives and Movie Music.com, have always arrived in great shape. Every once and awhile there is a crack in the jewel case but they are always well packed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omen II 1,235 Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 Anyone knows what is the situation with The Man Who Knew Too Much? In A Heart at Fire's Center, it says the score is lost.Not a single cue has appeared on any album, compilation, or bootleg, so I wouldn't be at all surprised if it was lost.The City of Prague Philharmonic recorded the Prelude from The Man Who Knew Too Much for Silva Screen's 1995 Herrmann compilation Torn Curtain: The Classic Fim Music of Bernard Herrmann (an album that I have always thought to be one of Silva's better re-recordings). I guess someone must have reconstructed the music, although the liner notes do not shed any light on this issue.I'm reading A Heart At Fire's Center at the moment - a fascinating book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robthehand 3 Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 I meant not a single cue from the original film recording.The prelude and cantata have both been re-recorded several times, I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,153 Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 The cantata wasn't composed by Herrmann (though I believe he did some arranging for the film version). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robthehand 3 Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 He re-arranged it and expanded it a lot. It's far better than the version from the 1934 film, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,153 Posted December 1, 2007 Share Posted December 1, 2007 Oh, so the cantata was written for the earlier version of the film? I always thought it was conceived as a concert work.Marian - who has never seen the first version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saxbabe 28 Posted December 2, 2007 Share Posted December 2, 2007 Ordered Herrmann and Wagner/Korngold yesterday.I would order these two in a heartbeat, but there is, literally, no money right now, so I hope they won't sell out too fast!It's fantastic to find out what the new Hermann recording is - when I met McNeely in Houston in May he said that something was "on the way" and I was curious if it could be this score! The amount of care they put into these rerecordings is enormous, so I very much look forward to hearing it. Unfortunately it appears it's no longer financially feasable to record with the RSNO. http://web1.joelmcneely.com/blog/music/200...y_northwest.phpYeah, it's a shame our dollar is so weak right now. That and also filesharing (!) he said were the main factors that hurt the money situation for the rerecordings. (Oh BTW, check out his awesome blog post about JW's Hook there! http://web1.joelmcneely.com/blog/music/200...erendipity.php) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted December 8, 2007 Author Share Posted December 8, 2007 Wow that was fast, my Varese CD's arrived today.While not 100% perfect the North By Northwest re-recording is just as good as the other McNeely/ Herrmann recordings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 8, 2007 Share Posted December 8, 2007 Oh no, it's not 100% perfect! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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