Delorean90 42 Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 Man, "Nuclear Man's Theme" doesn't even have an ending! That's a great place for one of the classic Williams concert endings, a la "The Forest Battle" or even "March of the Villains." But instead we get the looped fade-out. It would be great if Williams would go back and make an ending for it, but that's beyond unlikely, sad though it may be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,626 Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 Exactly .Same with Jeremy's Theme .It means Courage just had a melody to work with .Then you go listen to the end of Reunion of Friends and every phrasing,every counterpoint ,every tone is exactly like Williams would write it,yet apparently Ross did that....sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 Williams composed straightforward album arrangements of his new themes based on descriptions of the characters. He also received videotapes of certain key scenes and offered ideas to Courage by telephone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 I would just like to add that I think Superman IV is a far...far better score then COS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,626 Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 Williams composed straightforward album arrangements of his new themes based on descriptions of the characters. He also received videotapes of certain key scenes and offered ideas to Courage by telephone.Well,that's what they are,straighforward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Holdo 16 Posted March 21, 2008 Share Posted March 21, 2008 offered ideas to Courage by telephone."Call Jerry and ask how he does it." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 Well,that's what they are,straighforwardI really like the album version of Nu-kul-ar Man's Theme. Some of the orchestrations don't sound like Williams though, while others sound like what he would be doing from the late 90's till today.Hmmmm......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 It's a tacky theme, but in a (maybe) good way. The synths and looping represent Nuclear Man's artificiality.or whatever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 153 Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 When are the next parts of Neil's interview coming out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,626 Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 It's a tacky theme, but in a (maybe) good way. The synths and looping represent Nuclear Man's artificiality.or whateverI think the pulsing synth sound represents his radioactiveness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artyjeffrey 20 Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 I thought the Rhino release was out of print... WTF?http://www.amazon.com/Superman-Original-Mo...1054&sr=1-1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,626 Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 It's probably old stock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 KM is probably right. When I bought my Rhino release the very first time (before disc two some how cracked! ) I got it off Amazon for about the same price. I jumped on it since I knew at the time it was out of print then as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 When are the next parts of Neil's interview coming out?Eventually.Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maglorfin 196 Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 I thought the Rhino release was out of print... WTF?http://www.amazon.com/Superman-Original-Mo...1054&sr=1-1It's an import, probably from the UK, that's also why it's quite expensive, and they only have two in stock at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,793 Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 man i hope nobody boughts it by error, that costs little less than half the blue box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrScratch 294 Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 I've renamed Nuclear Man's Theme: "Mark Pillow's Theme". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maglorfin 196 Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 Why would you that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,626 Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 man i hope nobody boughts it by error, that costs little less than half the blue box.That is true,I think I paid even more for it originally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted March 23, 2008 Share Posted March 23, 2008 When are the next parts of Neil's interview coming out?Eventually.NeilSpoken like a true writer. A deadline is something to marvel at as it passes by. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artyjeffrey 20 Posted March 23, 2008 Share Posted March 23, 2008 Finally had a listen to Superman IV, and did anyone else think that Lacy's Theme bears a striking resembling to a theme in Family Plot (I've never seen the film, so I can't say who's theme it might be)? Maybe that's why I like it.Anyways, who would've thought that IV would sound so full after the smaller scale sound of II and III! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted March 23, 2008 Share Posted March 23, 2008 The Quest for Peace cues recorded in England sound excellent, but you can tell that the German orchestra just wasn't up to par when it comes to cues like "Main Titles." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest macrea Posted March 23, 2008 Share Posted March 23, 2008 The Quest for Peace cues recorded in England sound excellent, but you can tell that the German orchestra just wasn't up to par when it comes to cues like "Main Titles."...which were recorded in England according to the set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted March 23, 2008 Share Posted March 23, 2008 I see. I don't have the book with me. I may have been thinking of "End Titles." In any case, some of the cues are definitely performed substandardly, regardless of which orchestra was responsible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixie_twinkle 48 Posted March 23, 2008 Share Posted March 23, 2008 When are the next parts of Neil's interview coming out?Eventually.NeilSpoken like a true writer. A deadline is something to marvel at as it passes by.Spoken like the late, great Douglas Adams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maglorfin 196 Posted March 23, 2008 Share Posted March 23, 2008 It was only today that I discovered that Jones's stuff on CD 7 is actually also very good. :roll: I also really like his take on JW's Main Title. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted March 23, 2008 Share Posted March 23, 2008 I haven't made it far past disc 2 yet.Turns out Superman: The Movie is really quite good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,793 Posted March 23, 2008 Share Posted March 23, 2008 so the with new sound quality, the 2nd half does not drag anymore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted March 23, 2008 Share Posted March 23, 2008 The new split in discs is a surprising help.As are the extremely detailed liner notes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,793 Posted March 23, 2008 Share Posted March 23, 2008 You are just self-convincing the 90 some € were worth it j/k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 23, 2008 Share Posted March 23, 2008 Superman Returns made me appriciate the score to Superman The Movie a lot more. It is now a masterpiece IMO.And Sandy Courage's Superman score should have John Ottman feeling humiliated and impotent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixie_twinkle 48 Posted March 23, 2008 Share Posted March 23, 2008 And Sandy Courage's Superman score should have John Ottman feeling humiliated and impotent.It's a great score! I've never heard a more successful example of a score where the composer has had to work with another composer's themes. Courage's bold rearrangements of the Williams themes work precisely because he took a completely different approach each time. It's like listening to a completely new score (and a great one!), whereas listening to Superman II I find to be a bit of a waste of time. Superman III is so much better as the new music is excellent, although I still find the treatment of the Williams material to be a little unimaginative, as if Thorne didn't have the balls (or "courage") to make the themes his own, as Sandy did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmo Lewis 6 Posted March 23, 2008 Share Posted March 23, 2008 Superman Returns made me appriciate the score to Superman The Movie a lot more. It is now a masterpiece IMO.Only now?I remember the night when I had the epiphany. It was summer 2003, I was listening to the Smallville passages, and suddenly it struck me. I couldn't find any score I liked more. Superman - The Movie remains to this day my favorite Williams score, although it has to share that spot with E.T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted March 23, 2008 Share Posted March 23, 2008 I'm still playing all 4 scores and I haven't even made it to animated Superman material from Ron Jones yet. Superman is so crisp and clear now it's almost like the Rhino set was a poor bootleg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 23, 2008 Share Posted March 23, 2008 I've always loved the first section of the score, and ranked that amongst Williams finest works, but once The Fortess finishes, it always seemed like the score dropped a notch. Still very, very good, but just not as good as what came before.I see error of my thinking now, and applaud you for beating me too it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,793 Posted March 23, 2008 Share Posted March 23, 2008 I'm still playing all 4 scoresI can just see the news:'JWfan from Texas murdered by his family.The family claims that they heard Jor-El's voice inside their minds that encouraged them to commit the crime. The Spanish Inquisition is investigating.' I hope that is not rude humour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixie_twinkle 48 Posted March 23, 2008 Share Posted March 23, 2008 I've always loved the first section of the score, and ranked that amongst Williams finest works, but once The Fortess finishes, it always seemed like the score dropped a notch. Still very, very good, but just not as good as what came before.I see error of my thinking now, and applaud you for beating me too it.I still think the second half doesn't quite live up to the first half. That's pretty much because the first half contains some of Williams' finest movie music. The entire Krypton sequence (including Trip to Earth) is incredible music. The homestead/growing up music (up to Fortress) is also wonderful. From that point on we get a very well crafted comedy/action score, dominated by the love theme. Nothing wrong with it at all, but it lacks the gravitas of the first half. It's still one of Williams' greatest achievements, and deserves to have a place in the top 15 scores of all time IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted March 23, 2008 Share Posted March 23, 2008 The pixie is right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 23, 2008 Share Posted March 23, 2008 Were are Neil and Joe to disagree with us, and mock us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 23, 2008 Share Posted March 23, 2008 The board is yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted March 23, 2008 Share Posted March 23, 2008 Off to Vegas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted March 23, 2008 Share Posted March 23, 2008 Am I the only one that loves all of Superman, not just the first half? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 23, 2008 Share Posted March 23, 2008 Nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 23, 2008 Share Posted March 23, 2008 I love Superman The Movie, all of it.But it is just it's two different scores that happen to have the same themes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted March 23, 2008 Share Posted March 23, 2008 I love the whole damn thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 23, 2008 Share Posted March 23, 2008 I even love Margot Kidder's "Can You Read My Mind" monologue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted March 23, 2008 Share Posted March 23, 2008 I even love Margot Kidder's "Can You Read My Mind" monologue. OK, you got me there. I won't go that far. And the pop version makes me want to puke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 23, 2008 Share Posted March 23, 2008 That is a wonderfull part, I missed it when listening to Superman on the Blue Box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 23, 2008 Share Posted March 23, 2008 I even love Margot Kidder's "Can You Read My Mind" monologue. OK, you got me there. I won't go that far. And the pop version makes me want to puke.I even like that too. The Maureen McGovern one, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted March 23, 2008 Share Posted March 23, 2008 Superman is a masterpiece from start to finish. There isn't a wasted note in the entire thing.Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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