Cool hidden theme usage

[indy4 152]

Wait...didn't Hans start MV to train other wanna-be composers? And I thought Gregson-Williams and others "graduated" from MV, and are now composing works on their own. Then, doesn't Hans take in a new batch of "students"? Are all Hans scored films scored partially by Hans, partially by the MV "students"?

[Koray Savas 2,095]

That is correct.

[bondo 33]

So how bout those cool hidden themes in film scores.....

[John Crichton 4]

You can hear Jabba's theme in The Phantom Menace.

Oh, and Augie's is the Emperor's theme.

[Ray Barnsbury 8]

Did anyone know that "Yoda's Theme" is hidden in E.T.?

[indy4 152]

Imperial March in Anakin's Theme (that's an obvious one, though).

Hmmm, what else hasn't been mentioned...the Ark Theme in LC, though that's hardly discreet...

[John Crichton 4]

Did anyone know that "Yoda's Theme" is hidden in E.T.?

[Richard Penna 2,083]

Did anyone know that "Yoda's Theme" is hidden in E.T.?

Yes. Thought that was fairly well known actually.

[Neimoidian 13]

Did anyone know that "Yoda's Theme" is hidden in E.T.?

Yes. Thought that was fairly well known actually.

I believe Ray tried to be ironic. At least I hope he did.

[Richard Penna 2,083]

[Sandor 459]

...And anyone notice The Emperor's Theme is hidden in Augie's Great Municipal Band (TPM)...?

[Elmo Lewis 6]

Oh, and Augie's is the Emperor's theme.

[John Crichton 4]

Roald is still a disbeliever on that front, denying the evidence of his own ears.

[Ollie 859]

Michael Giacchino's MOH Underground theme appearing in Ratatouille.

[Luke Skywalker 1,285]

that was a nice one.

[Koray Savas 2,095]

How so? I never realized he did that. Are you referring directly to the Main Theme entitled May 10th, 1940? If so, it's understandable since MoH: Underground take place largely in France.

[indy4 152]

What track and time?

[Koray Savas 2,095]

The last minute of May 10th, 1940 from Underground is similar to the last 30 seconds of Wall Rat from Ratatouille.

[Docteur Qui 1,248]

That's not the intentional bit though.

In "Collete Shows Him Le Ropes" there's a statement of the theme when Collete tells Linguini about one of the cooks in the kitchen who was part of "a resistance". It's very nice, particularly as it's one of my favourite Giacchino themes.

[Koray Savas 2,095]

I don't hear it.

EDIT: Wait, I think I might have. It's for a few seconds at the end of the track right?

Also, there is small cue from Fiddler On The Roof in the Mother Giacchino conducted National Anthem on Medal Of Honor. I thought that was nice, not sure if it was any reference to John Williams at all, but it was cool.

[Goldsmithfan 3]

Flesh + Blood - Basil Poledouris

There's a brief passage in "Castle Invasion" where deep brass performs the theme for Martin while high strings play a section from Martin and Agnes' love theme. It took me a few listens to catch onto the love theme, but the combination absolute genius and a testament to Poledouris, whom I consider one of the most underrated composers ever.

[Luke Skywalker 1,285]

I don't hear it.

EDIT: Wait, I think I might have. It's for a few seconds at the end of the track right?

Also, there is small cue from Fiddler On The Roof in the Mother Giacchino conducted National Anthem on Medal Of Honor. I thought that was nice, not sure if it was any reference to John Williams at all, but it was cool.

It was surely an improvised joke from one of the musicians. Possibly since the piece was going so slow due to the conductress, he inserted that to have fun.

[Elmo Lewis 6]

Michael Giacchino's MOH Underground theme appearing in Ratatouille.

Or the frequently-mentioned sub theme appearing in Lost.

[mahler3 353]

The Quiet Man with Elliot's 1st kiss is a great interpolation with the E.T. theme closing the cue perfectly

[Morlock 9]

Good use, but hardly hidden.

[Ollie 859]

Michael Giacchino's MOH Underground theme appearing in Ratatouille.

Or the frequently-mentioned sub theme appearing in Lost.

Correct, he also snuck something from MOH into The Incredibles.

[Pieter Boelen 633]

Where?

[mahler3 353]

Good use, but hardly hidden.

Ok good point, maybe a better example is the Basket Chase reference in Temple of Doom when Indy searches for his gun

[Ray Barnsbury 8]

The hidden statement of The Imperial March at the closing of the ESB end credits is another good one, also being discussed in another thread.

[Pieter Boelen 633]

Still haven't been able to hear that one. It's sounds like an impressive finale, but to me doesn't sound like the Imperial March. I tried to hear it, but so far I failed.

[Ray Barnsbury 8]

Do you know the notes in question and just don't hear the theme, or do you not know where to listen?

[Pieter Boelen 633]

Probably a combination of both. I think it's supposed to start around 6:03, but it sounds so un-"Imperial March"-like, that I can't hear it in there even though I do believe you when you say it's there.

[Ray Barnsbury 8]

Yes, it's at 6:02. The trumpets play a series of high blasts, and after each one, there's another blast in the lower register, accented by a cymbal crash. It's these low "follow-up" notes that are the first four notes of the Imperial March (the first three are the same, the fourth is lower). It's sort of hard to describe, I guess. But it's in the liner notes of the SE too.

[Red 73]

I never noticed that either until now, and I have even performed that piece.

Amazing.

[indy4 152]

Yes, it's at 6:02. The trumpets play a series of high blasts, and after each one, there's another blast in the lower register, accented by a cymbal crash. It's these low "follow-up" notes that are the first four notes of the Imperial March (the first three are the same, the fourth is lower). It's sort of hard to describe, I guess. But it's in the liner notes of the SE too.

Ohh, I see! How cool!

For those who didn't hear it, it's sort of like a call and response. The trumpets have 2 notes, then there's the lower instruments playing the first note of the Imperial March, the trumpets play 2 notes, the low instruments play second notes of march, " ", trumpets have 2 notes, low instruments play the fourth note.

I'm sure you've all heard it before (I did), you just didn't recognize it for being the IM (I didn't - until now).

[Koray Savas 2,095]

O.K. Apparently Giacchino likes to reuse some stuff. I haven't noticed anything reused in any of his scores. Anyone want to provide the tracks and times so I can listen and compare? If you need the actual music, I can help you out there.

[John Crichton 4]

It took me a loooooooong time to figure out that bit in the ESB end credits as well. Very cool.

[Morlock 9]

I hear what you people are talking about , but I think it is hardly conclusive. It is not exact, and I don't think it is without a doubt an intentional reference.

[Luke Skywalker 1,285]

O.K. Apparently Giacchino likes to reuse some stuff. I haven't noticed anything reused in any of his scores. Anyone want to provide the tracks and times so I can listen and compare? If you need the actual music, I can help you out there.

Mind you that one thing is to re-use music and other is quoting a theme for whatever reason.

All composers reuse music anyway, ones more than others

[Docteur Qui 1,248]

I hear what you people are talking about , but I think it is hardly conclusive. It is not exact, and I don't think it is without a doubt an intentional reference.

Agreed. I think this one's a case of deliberately looking for clever references and trying to justify them.

[Ray Barnsbury 8]

I don't think anyone listened to the ESB credits for the first time thinking, "Hmm, where can I hear a secret version of one of the score's new themes?" Personally, I read about it in the liner notes first, then listened to the track and heard it easliy. I agree that it could be coincidental, but it could just as easily be intentional. And like I said before, the notes are indisputably there, even if you don't think it's a conscious reference to the theme.

[Mr. Breathmask 480]

I agree with Mr. Barnsbury.

[Luke Skywalker 1,285]

And well, I'm sure Michael Mattessino knows something about these scores...

[Ollie 859]

Well you know some internet fanboy could claim to hear Jerry Goldsmith's ST:TMP theme in Yoda's theme and post it on the internet and everyone would believe him yet when someone like Mike Mattessino speaks people tend to ignore the truth.

[Mr. Breathmask 480]

Yeah, what does he know?!

[Ollie 859]

He knows nothing I tells ya, Mugsy's the one you want, see. He's got the goods on all of yous guys.

[Docteur Qui 1,248]

I don't think anyone listened to the ESB credits for the first time thinking, "Hmm, where can I hear a secret version of one of the score's new themes?" Personally, I read about it in the liner notes first, then listened to the track and heard it easliy. I agree that it could be coincidental, but it could just as easily be intentional. And like I said before, the notes are indisputably there, even if you don't think it's a conscious reference to the theme.

Oh, I meant that the author of the liner notes is the one looking for clever references; I wouldn't dream of assuming any casual or first-time listener of ESB would sit there and look for it.

It could indeed be intentional, but I lean more towards the doubting party.

[Henry B 49]

Mattessino is wrong about Leia's theme in "The Imperial Walkers," however.

[Ray Barnsbury 8]

I don't think anyone listened to the ESB credits for the first time thinking, "Hmm, where can I hear a secret version of one of the score's new themes?" Personally, I read about it in the liner notes first, then listened to the track and heard it easliy. I agree that it could be coincidental, but it could just as easily be intentional. And like I said before, the notes are indisputably there, even if you don't think it's a conscious reference to the theme.

Oh, I meant that the author of the liner notes is the one looking for clever references; I wouldn't dream of assuming any casual or first-time listener of ESB would sit there and look for it.

It could indeed be intentional, but I lean more towards the doubting party.

Hmm, I suppose I'll allow that.