Corellian2019 386 Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 Saw the film on Sunday and loved the score. In comparison to the album, there are some missing cues, notably a harpsichord cue featuring the main theme, but the majority seems to be more percussion music by Yamash'ta. And some of the album tracks are different from their film versions. Any hope that JW enlists Mike Matessino to find the original elements for this score? Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corellian2019 386 Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 Out of curiosity I revisited the Blu-ray of Images today, and in the booklet it says that the mono soundtrack was remastered from the D/M/E (dialog/music/effects) reels. While it's obviously preferable to have the original master tapes, I wonder if any of the labels considered reissuing the long-OOP Prometheus album with the missing cues from the music stem of the film, similar to Quartet's release for The Long Goodbye Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,481 Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 No one likes that album, why reissue it? 😜 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 5 hours ago, Bespin said: No one likes that album, why reissue it? 😜 For shame Bespin! For shame! It would be great if they revisited this score with the possibility of a complete presentation although I am already very happy with the Prometheus version. Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 Superb album. Naïve Old Fart and Once 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,527 Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 6 hours ago, Bespin said: No one likes that album, why reissue it? 😜 Bes, I like you. You know I like you, but, in this instance SCREW YOU!!!!! Steef is right: it's not the easiest thing in the world, to listen to, but it is a damn good score. Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 A dark night, a visible moon, a glass of whiskey, this album. You know what i'm on about Richard. Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,481 Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 Irony is a pathway to conversation some consider.... unnatural. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 11 minutes ago, Bespin said: Irony is a pathway to conversation some consider.... unnatural. Like bisexuality? Naïve Old Fart 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,527 Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 On 12/16/2019 at 9:47 AM, Stefancos said: A dark night, a visible moon, a glass of whiskey, this album. You know what i'm on about Richard. I do, indeed. There's very much "something of the night", about this record, more so than even DRACULA. It's unsettling. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 So is this film any good, or just a curiosity worth seeing to get the context for the score? And are any bits of score heard in the movie really interesting, or significantly different from what's on the album? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,504 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 The film is a masterpiece, my favourite of Altman -- even if it's a take on Polanski's REPULSION in many ways. Not sure there are any pieces in the film that are significantly different from what's on the album (I've never really done a comparison), but there are - as you may know - tracks on the album that do not feature in the film, like the beautiful "Blood Moon". But Williams communicates all kinds of lofty subtext ideas in his score, so it's a film and score to get lost in (in a positive sense). Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corellian2019 386 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 It's not one of my favorite Altman films, it comes across as an elaborate acting exercise, but it's fundamentally good. It's just made more interesting by the music. The Blu-ray looks great, considering the source. There are about 12 minutes of unreleased material, nothing too significant, but still nice to have. From memory, what stood out to me is a harpsichord cue that features the "B theme" from the main titles, an all-percussion cue when Susannah York looks at the fireplace, and the film version of "Night Witch Ride" with its different bursts of percussion Once and Jay 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 18 minutes ago, Jay said: So is this film any good, or just a curiosity worth seeing to get the context for the score? As I said, the waterfall is gorgeous to look at, my main problem was that the male actors somehow don't fit their part. It's an interesting movie, for sure, just not really rounded. The score and the location are the best thing about it. Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 15 minutes ago, Corellian2019 said: From memory, what stood out to me is a harpsichord cue that features the "B theme" from the main titles, an all-percussion cue when Susannah York looks at the fireplace, and the film version of "Night Witch Ride" with its different bursts of percussion Well all those sound interesting to me! Damn! It was interesting to read in the liner notes that John Williams played all the various keyboard parts himself. That's pretty damn cool Also, I don't think I've ever heard vocals used in a score quite like this one before. The Prometheus CD has surprisingly good sound quality for being a vinyl transfer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corellian2019 386 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 Indeed it does have good quality. And I misspoke; the unreleased harpsichord cue features the "A theme" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 I think I am going to watch the film soon, and many more listens of this album are in order! It's too bad he never did a whole avant-garde, experimental score like this again Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,504 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 2 minutes ago, Jay said: It's too bad he never did a whole avant-garde, experimental score like this again It is, although he displays it somewhat in certain individual score tracks, and some concert works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 Of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,347 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 @JayIs there a special reason Images is your avatar now? Or did you just change it for kicks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 I got sick of looking at John Oliver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jay 37,359 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 Does anybody know why the front cover of the BSX reissue says "Performed by the London Studio Symphony Orchestra" but Burlingame's liner notes in the Prometheus CD state that the strings were performed by "the BBC Symphony"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,481 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 Is the OST a re-recording, even if just partially? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,481 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 There is not much information about this score, unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 Burlingame's liner notes are full of interesting information, actually Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,347 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 Perhaps The London Studio Orchestra is made up of some members of the BBC Symphony? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 I dunno. The score is just a small string section, then Williams playing keyboards and Stomu playing all the percussion. A full size orchestra wasn't used Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corellian2019 386 Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 If the original masters to this gem are lost (hopefully not), I wonder if it would be possible to separate the dialog/music/effects track and use the music stem for an expanded release. Obviously less-than-ideal, but still Bespin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,314 Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 I really hope they can find some of these 'lost' older scores and remaster them with modern technology someday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,365 Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 Images is the one Williams score of those that I still miss in my collection that I am most interested in. Hopefully, it will one day get a new release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,042 Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 I got the OST used, years back, and it's been a most welcome (and unusual) part of my collection ever since. I'd love to get an expanded release someday. I doubt it would improve the overall listening experience - the risk of fatigue is greater with challenging material like this - but it's just such interesting and compelling music that I'd love to hear more of it. Once 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,527 Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 16 hours ago, Jay said: So is this film any good... Jay, let me explain in words of no than one syllable, so you can understand: Sus. Ann. Ah. York. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 Mrs. Cratchit! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,504 Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 Between JANE EYRE and IMAGES, it seems that Susannah York inspired the best out of Williams! bigjimwilson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tranders65 65 Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 41 minutes ago, Thor said: Between JANE EYRE and IMAGES, it seems that Susannah York inspired the best out of Williams! Can we count Superman, too, Thor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,504 Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 2 minutes ago, tranders65 said: Can we count Superman, too, Thor? We can! For some reason, I had completely forgotten she was in that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 Other than Supermans, I've literally never seen a single movie she's ever been in ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 18 hours ago, Jay said: So is this film any good, or just a curiosity worth seeing to get the context for the score? And are any bits of score heard in the movie really interesting, or significantly different from what's on the album? The film is imho very good, it has a very interesting psychological premise and it constantly makes you feel unsettled. It almost feel like a hallucinated stage drama. The music works beautifully in the film and it fits the storytelling like a glove. It's indeed Williams' only venture into pure avantgarde Boulez-style, with lots of moments written as aleatoric (i.e. improvised) passages. As a separate listen, the music is very difficult to get through, save for the more lyrical sequences of course (I particulary love the setting of the main theme for celeste, guitar and strings, the cue is called "Ponies and Unicorns" or something like that, I don't have the CD at hand right now). However, it's very interesting to hear Williams in this mode. The credit "London Studio Symphony" looks like a made-up name by whoever designed that cover art. The score was indeed recorded in London at CTS Bayswater Studios, with elements of the BBC Symphony playing in the string section in addition to a handful of studio players (including Williams himself at the piano) and crazy Stomu Yamashita playing the Baschet sculptures and other percussion instruments. Jay and Once 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,504 Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 When watching the film, pay particular attention to this musical mechanism: Cathryn (York's character) is an author that suffers from some sort of schizophrenia, and is often unable to separate between fantasy and reality. So you'll find that for all the segments that center on her writing or reading from her own fairytale book, Williams employs this beautiful waltz - signalling that this is a 'safe space' for her. Vice versa, everything that is REAL is harsh and alien and dissonant. This is particularly evident in the main titles - her internal voiceover is accompanied by the waltz, the shots of everyday objects (a telephone, a lamp, a typewriter etc.) have Stomu's weird percussive and vocal effects. Oftentimes, the harsh - i.e. the reality - intrudes on her safe space tonality. There are more details, of course, but that basic, schizophrenic mechanism is a marvel to behold throughout the film. Jay 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Rick 1,157 Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 This is one of the few JW releases that I do not own in physical form, hoping it gets a rerelease soon so I can discover it! I haven't seen the movie yet either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 Oh wow I hadn't realized it was going for so much now that it's OOP - Amazon has new copies for $93 and used for $70! https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B0028S2V90 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Rick 1,157 Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 I just checked Discogs, they're about the same around $100. That makes my decision easy, wait I will! LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 Well, you can listen to it for free on spotify or youtube or whatever, it's only the physical CD edition that's out of print. https://open.spotify.com/album/08oq3v6VpMXkJ3DeMKw3PM?si=yuRsK_pNS_STd4OUkL2TfA https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=OLAK5uy_nM96nz1y8FZCdyCllbp64Zx5oAK6NIX3w https://smile.amazon.com/dp/B00B0NG04Q/ https://music.apple.com/us/album/images-original-motion-picture-soundtrack/592477815 https://www.qobuz.com/us-en/album/images-original-motion-picture-soundtrack-stomu-yamashta/nom4zrol70drc Dr. Rick and GerateWohl 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Rick 1,157 Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 @Jay is the cover in your avatar a vinyl release? I like that cover a lot better than the Prometheus release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 The cover in my avatar is the BSX digital release, which I just linked to 5 places you can stream/buy it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Rick 1,157 Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 Awesome, thanks. Listening on Amazon music right meow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,359 Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 Prepare for the most unusual Williams score you've ever heard! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Rick 1,157 Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 Well apparently I only have the free version included with Prime, first track sounded really creepy though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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