Josh500 1,620 Posted January 23, 2008 Posted January 23, 2008 According to this Wikipedia article (see trivia), Patrick Doyle wrote a score for Stepmom, which was rejected. That's how John Williams came onboard.Has anyone heard the original score? Was it ever recorded?
GoodMusician 66 Posted January 23, 2008 Posted January 23, 2008 heh... wonder if that's the source of his animosity towards williams when it came to Harry Potter
Morlock 11 Posted January 23, 2008 Posted January 23, 2008 It is well known lore that Doyle was replaced by Williams, while he was recovring from Leukemia. What exactly happened there is not clear, there have been insinuations that Doyle was only replaced because Williams expressed an interest. Either way, I do not believe that the score was ever recorded.
Romão 2,462 Posted January 23, 2008 Posted January 23, 2008 Was Doyle unfriendly to Williams regarding Harry Potter?
Richard P 5,145 Posted January 23, 2008 Posted January 23, 2008 Clemmenson over at filmtracks suggested that Williams saw an early screening of the film (presumably with score in it already) and really liked it, and used his reputation to get Doyle kicked off.I'm not going to make any judgements here - just what I read (http://www.filmtracks.com/titles/stepmom.html).
Josh500 1,620 Posted January 23, 2008 Author Posted January 23, 2008 heh... wonder if that's the source of his animosity towards williams when it came to Harry Potter Clemmenson over at filmtracks suggested that Williams saw an early screening of the film (presumably with score in it already) and really liked it, and used his reputation to get Doyle kicked off.I'm not going to make any judgements here - just what I read (http://www.filmtracks.com/titles/stepmom.html).Whether John Williams expresses an interest or not, he can't muscle push anybody. It's up to the director who gets hired or replaced or rejected.So maybe Chris Columbus muscle pushed Patrick Doyle out the door!
Morlock 11 Posted January 23, 2008 Posted January 23, 2008 What is that if not muscle-pushing? When JW tells you he'd love to score your piece of crap movie, that is probably as good as getting the other composer fired.
Josh500 1,620 Posted January 23, 2008 Author Posted January 23, 2008 What is that if not muscle-pushing? When JW tells you he'd love to score your piece of crap movie, that is probably as good as getting the other compsoer fired.So? Welcome to the real world!And besides, if you were a film director, would you pass up an opportunity to work with JW?
Richard P 5,145 Posted January 23, 2008 Posted January 23, 2008 Stepmom was not a 'piece of crap movie'. I saw it on TV a few years ago and what I remember was really heartwarming.But we're not talking about the film.
Josh500 1,620 Posted January 23, 2008 Author Posted January 23, 2008 Stepmom was not a 'piece of crap movie'. I saw it on TV a few years ago and what I remember was really heartwarming.I agree, although this is far from my favorite Williams-scored movie.
Morlock 11 Posted January 23, 2008 Posted January 23, 2008 It preaches that dying from cancer is okay if Julia Roberts is shacking up with your ex-husband and kids. I found the movie to be very offensive to the Susan Sarandon character. It's a Julia Robert vehicle, in the worst way. bollemanneke 1
King Mark 3,911 Posted January 23, 2008 Posted January 23, 2008 Stepmom was not a 'piece of crap movie'. I saw it on TV a few years ago and what I remember was really heartwarming.sorry,it was a piece of crap.One of the worst movies of all time
Taikomochi 1,405 Posted January 23, 2008 Posted January 23, 2008 Stepmom was not a 'piece of crap movie'. I saw it on TV a few years ago and what I remember was really heartwarming.sorry,it was a piece of crap.One of the worst movies of all timeand you would place it on the same level as Epic Movie and AVP2? no. It's bad, but it's not the worst...
Docteur Qui 1,581 Posted January 23, 2008 Posted January 23, 2008 At least Epic Movie and AVP2 don't take themselves seriously. That's the difference.Incidentally, what animosity? Or was that just an attempt at wit that has no basis in fiction let alone fact whatsoever
Jeshopk 8 Posted January 23, 2008 Posted January 23, 2008 It preaches that dying from cancer is okay if Julia Roberts is shacking up with your ex-husband and kids. I found the movie to be very offensive to the Susan Sarandon character. It's a Julia Robert vehicle, in the worst way.I don't think Julia's character was portrayed as superior to the Sarandon one... quite the opposite. And Sarandon's passing was the focal point of the film. That the family accepted the inevitability of her demise did not mean any of them thought it was "okay".
Morlock 11 Posted January 23, 2008 Posted January 23, 2008 I felt like Sarandon's character was significantly short-changed by the Roberts one. I got the distinct sense watching the movie that it was geared toward 'We just need the annoyingly human Sarandon to die, than we'll be one big, pretty, happy family'.
King Mark 3,911 Posted January 24, 2008 Posted January 24, 2008 Stepmom was not a 'piece of crap movie'. I saw it on TV a few years ago and what I remember was really heartwarming.sorry,it was a piece of crap.One of the worst movies of all timeand you would place it on the same level as Epic Movie and AVP2? no. It's bad, but it's not the worst...epic movie was apiece of crap,but I enjoyed AVP2.
Marian Schedenig 11,416 Posted January 24, 2008 Posted January 24, 2008 So? Welcome to the real world!I'm sure you'd say the same if Doyle somehow managed to replace Williams on some film.
Richard P 5,145 Posted January 24, 2008 Posted January 24, 2008 I won't get into the debate because I only saw the film once in late 2005 and I can barely remember most of it.
Elmo Lewis 7 Posted January 24, 2008 Posted January 24, 2008 Was Doyle unfriendly to Williams regarding Harry Potter?In the minds of some, certain fans? Definetly. I mean, he composed his own music rather than using Williams' - how more unfriendly can you get as a composer?
Koray Savas 2,259 Posted January 24, 2008 Posted January 24, 2008 At least Epic Movie and AVP2 don't take themselves seriously. That's the difference.I'm pretty sure they do try to be serious movies. IMO Epic Movie is the worst movie ever made, but Meet The Spartans looks like it can take it's place. Actually, I know it will.Meet The Spartans is the worst movie ever made...EVER!
indy4 160 Posted January 24, 2008 Posted January 24, 2008 Have you seen 1941?I haven't seen Epic Movie, so I can't compare them.
Koray Savas 2,259 Posted January 24, 2008 Posted January 24, 2008 I've seen parts of 1941, but I'm pretty sure it's not worse than the s**t parody movies being made today. Maybe Uwe Boll has the title for worst movie ever made, but I wouldn't dare see any of his films. Ed Wood made some pretty bad films, but at least he understood film and did his best.
Josh500 1,620 Posted January 24, 2008 Author Posted January 24, 2008 So? Welcome to the real world!I'm sure you'd say the same if Doyle somehow managed to replace Williams on some film.That point is moot because it will never happen. Welcome to the real world!
Elmo Lewis 7 Posted January 24, 2008 Posted January 24, 2008 Do you ever read what you write in this board?
Richard P 5,145 Posted January 24, 2008 Posted January 24, 2008 Was Doyle unfriendly to Williams regarding Harry Potter?In the minds of some, certain fans? Definetly. I mean, he composed his own music rather than using Williams' - how more unfriendly can you get as a composer?You really think that whatever happened with Stepmom affected what he wrote for Potter?So the director, producers, story and Doyle's style all had nothing to do with the change of direction at all? I really would have loved to hear a Williams score for GoF, but do you really have to go to this length to 'prove' Doyle produced crap?
Morlock 11 Posted January 24, 2008 Posted January 24, 2008 Was Doyle unfriendly to Williams regarding Harry Potter?In the minds of some, certain fans? Definetly. I mean, he composed his own music rather than using Williams' - how more unfriendly can you get as a composer? And Doyle has had only very, very, nice things to say about Williams in all the interviews I've heard from him.
Salacius 7 Posted January 24, 2008 Posted January 24, 2008 Stepmom was not a 'piece of crap movie'. I saw it on TV a few years ago and what I remember was really heartwarming.I agree, although this is far from my favorite Williams-scored movie. Man, I LOVE Stepmom, simple but really well thought out. Beautiful
Elmo Lewis 7 Posted January 24, 2008 Posted January 24, 2008 Was Doyle unfriendly to Williams regarding Harry Potter?In the minds of some, certain fans? Definetly. I mean, he composed his own music rather than using Williams' - how more unfriendly can you get as a composer?You really think that whatever happened with Stepmom affected what he wrote for Potter?So the director, producers, story and Doyle's style all had nothing to do with the change of direction at all? I really would have loved to hear a Williams score for GoF, but do you really have to go to this length to 'prove' Doyle produced crap?I think we need some sort of box (similar to the quote box) for sarcastic posts.
Marian Schedenig 11,416 Posted January 24, 2008 Posted January 24, 2008 I'm sure you'd say the same if Doyle somehow managed to replace Williams on some film.That point is moot because it will never happen. Welcome to the real world!q.e.d.
Ollie 1,365 Posted January 24, 2008 Posted January 24, 2008 Do you ever read what you write in this board?I've been wondering about that myself.At the time of the film's release the story was that Williams attended a private screening of the film and mentioned he enjoyed it. Columbus then asked him to score it.I seriously doubt Williams could force another composer off a picture, nor would he do something like that.Columbus must have not liked Doyle's score to start with or really wanted Williams in the first place.
Richard P 5,145 Posted January 24, 2008 Posted January 24, 2008 I think we need some sort of box (similar to the quote box) for sarcastic posts.Umm... indeed. Sarcasm is becoming harder to detect around here.
Josh500 1,620 Posted January 24, 2008 Author Posted January 24, 2008 Do you ever read what you write in this board?I've been wondering about that myself.At the time of the film's release the story was that Williams attended a private screening of the film and mentioned he enjoyed it. Columbus then asked him to score it.I seriously doubt Williams could force another composer off a picture, nor would he do something like that.Columbus must have not liked Doyle's score to start with or really wanted Williams in the first place.What the f*** is your problem? Get off the high horse, will ya? I've been saying the same thing:Whether John Williams expresses an interest or not, he can't muscle push anybody. It's up to the director who gets hired or replaced or rejected.So maybe Chris Columbus muscle pushed Patrick Doyle out the door!
Ollie 1,365 Posted January 24, 2008 Posted January 24, 2008 Josh, you're hilarious.That's one way to put it.
Josh500 1,620 Posted January 24, 2008 Author Posted January 24, 2008 Josh, you're hilarious.Thanks, I try. I've always wanted to be a comedian.
Marcus 395 Posted January 25, 2008 Posted January 25, 2008 Well, I for one, am thankful for this Williams score. I saw the film (because of the score), and remember I found it to be OK, rather mediocre perhaps, but certainly not painfully bad, and not without some sentimental power (I believe sentimentality, if used succesfully, is a good thing. It is good to feel).)Not to open a can of rancid worms, but I think Doyle's Potter effort was quite embarassing, and if Williams is chosen to replace anyone, well, then musically speaking, (and certainly if we are dealing with living film composers, and frankly most living composers in general), that can only be a good thing.(Although the leukemia-bit adds a bit of an unpleasant aftertaste, no matter what. May we all be blessed with good health!)
Luke Skywalker 2,336 Posted January 25, 2008 Posted January 25, 2008 the shame is that doyle was replaced when he was vey ill. That's mean.If he had been with good health i really wouldnt care a damn about his rejection..
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted January 25, 2008 Posted January 25, 2008 Maybe it was a relief to leave the project, if he was terribly sick.
Miguel Andrade 1,706 Posted January 25, 2008 Posted January 25, 2008 Well, I for one, am thankful for this Williams score. I saw the film (because of the score), and remember I found it to be OK, rather mediocre perhaps, but certainly not painfully bad, and not without some sentimental power (I believe sentimentality, if used succesfully, is a good thing. It is good to feel).)Not to open a can of rancid worms, but I think Doyle's Potter effort was quite embarassing, and if Williams is chosen to replace anyone, well, then musically speaking, (and certainly if we are dealing with living film composers, and frankly most living composers in general), that can only be a good thing.(Although the leukemia-bit adds a bit of an unpleasant aftertaste, no matter what. May we all be blessed with good health!)My exact same feelings...
tharpdevenport 4 Posted January 25, 2008 Posted January 25, 2008 My site:http://www.RejectedFilmScores.150m.com(Not Firefox or Safari browser friendly)
bollemanneke 4,292 Posted March 4, 2016 Posted March 4, 2016 I love this thread. The humour was so good that I decided it was worth reviving. Personally, I think Doyle's score might have worked just as well, if not better, for Stepmom, because it seems like an assignment Doyle could have nailed. But then again, I would say that because I'm a big Doyle fan. As for his HP effort, it will Always be my favourite Potter score and it was this score that taught me to listen to film music. Yes, Doyle dropped themes, but Williams did so for HP3 as well. If you want to find embarassing Potter scores, look no further, you've got HP5 and 6.
Luke Skywalker 2,336 Posted March 4, 2016 Posted March 4, 2016 19 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: I love this thread. The humour was so good that I decided it was worth reviving. Personally, I think Doyle's score might have worked just as well, if not better, for Stepmom, because it seems like an assignment Doyle could have nailed. But then again, I would say that because I'm a big Doyle fan. As for his HP effort, it will Always be my favourite Potter score Ahem, if you wanted us to take you seriously when you say that Doyle could even had written a better Steptom score, your opinion on Harry Potter killed it. You really continued the humouristic approach
Alex 3,047 Posted March 5, 2016 Posted March 5, 2016 I don't mind Doyle's Potter score but he really should have tried for a bit of musical continuity. I think I've heard an interview with Mike Newell where he says Doyle only used Hedwig's Theme because the producers forced him to. I think Mike Newell had a pretty ignorant view of Williams' music if I remember correctly.
bollemanneke 4,292 Posted March 5, 2016 Posted March 5, 2016 But why do people want Doyle to use continuity when JW himself didn't?
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