Raiders of the Lost Ark

[indy4 152]

I have the expanded edition, but not the OST. Is there anything on the OST that didn't make it onto the EE? Should I get the OST?

[Jacob 0]

Not that I know of.

Now the double LP on the other hand I've read is the most complete. Possibly fully complete. It'd sure be nice to get a quality rip of that.

EDIT: Now I remember where I read it: http://www.filmtracks.com/titles/raiders.html

This beautiful re-release of Raiders of the Lost Ark contains over 30 more minutes of previously unreleased music. Score previously missing from eight scenes was added, and numerous tracks were lengthened with additional materials. The entire score is not present, however. The original double-LP set is currently still the only way to get the entire Raiders score.

[Miguel Andrade 964]

I have the expanded edition, but not the OST. Is there anything on the OST that didn't make it onto the EE? Should I get the OST?

You should. Better sound mix -- you can actually hear the choir!

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251]

Hogwash!

The sound is identical.

[Lurker 5]

Hogwash!

The sound is identical.

Hogwash!

The pitch is off on the original album.

The mixes are very different. Listen to the opening of "The Well of the Souls".

The complete score to Raiders has not been released. The double-LP has more music from "The Well of the Souls" covering the section from the actual recovery of the ark up to Marion being thrown into the the Well of the Souls.

Music missing from all of the legit releases includes the scene where Indy shows the government agents the picture of the ark, the "bad dates" sequence and the music where Indy climbs the statue and goes through the wall of the Well of the Souls.

Neil

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251]

The complete Raiders has been released. Just not officially.

[Lurker 5]

I would say then that it has surfaced, but not released. And I did use the word "legit" in my post.

Neil

[King Mark 2,924]

The complete Raiders has been released. Just not officially.

In ultra crappy sound quality

[Kendal_Ozzel 32]

Better than nothing.

[Luke Skywalker 1,284]

The complete Raiders has been released. Just not officially.

In ultra crappy sound quality

no, not really. Its only tape hiss, and if you play it at low volume you cant almost notice it. Same for the little sound distortion.

I'm tend to think its the same source, but the bootleg tracks were 'stolen' before tape hiss reduction.

Because there is still a lot of hiss in the legit release. And the hiss has the same sound, if these things can be differenciated...

I mean I wished TOD and LC had that bootleg quality...

[John Crichton 4]

And it sounds better than the unreleased Last Crusade. Although that's not too hard.

[indy4 152]

Well, thanks for all the advice. Don't think I'll get it, as I really don't care too much about sound quality or sound mix.

[Romão 1,931]

Hogwash!

The sound is identical.

I dare anyone to listen to the Map Room: Dawn on the original release and then the expanded edition and not notice how infinetly better the original album sounds. The chorus is much more alive in the climax, and towards the end of the track, you can hear the choir acompanying the last two renditions of the ark theme, something it's almost unlistenable in the expanded relase. I would be quite shocked if only me and Miguel noticed this.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251]

You Portugese and your stories!

[Trent Hoyt 13]

If I could only get my hands on any kind of official release...

[pixie_twinkle 44]

Double LP of the Raiders score? When? Where? How?

[Trent Hoyt 13]

Any Indy score in my hands is like the Holy Grail.

[Ollie 859]

Double LP of the Raiders score? When? Where? How?

It was released the same time as the DCC disc. The LP has roughly 6 extra minutes of music in the Well Of The Souls cue.

[pixie_twinkle 44]

Double LP of the Raiders score? When? Where? How?

It was released the same time as the DCC disc. The LP has roughly 6 extra minutes of music in the Well Of The Souls cue.

Damn! Why would they do that when vinyl sales were so clearly on the decline at that time. If they'd made the DCC disc double and put the extra 6 minutes on there I bet it would have sold just as well to soundtrack collectors. We don't tend to mind paying a few extra dollars for a 2-disk set, do we? That record is probably worth a fortune today.

[Luke Skywalker 1,284]

You Portugese and your stories!

'The Portuguese Coast'

Officially Unreleased

[Morlock 9]

Great cue.

[Miguel Andrade 964]

You Portugese and your stories!

'The Portuguese Coast'

Officially Unreleased

And one of my favorite cues on that score...

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251]

Geez, I wonder why that is.....

[Luke Skywalker 1,284]

Is this 'Panama Hat' guy Portuquese or Spanish?

I always wondered if the Portuguese coast setting was a connection. And the guy looks very latin.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251]

I always thought it was a blatantly pro-Portugese link that had nothing to do with Indiana Jones. It completely ruined the beginning of the movie for me.

That guy in the white suit seems to speak perfect american english BTW.

[Romão 1,931]

George Lucas grandfather was Portuguese, so there you go

[Luke Skywalker 1,284]

I always thought it was a blatantly pro-Portugese link that had nothing to do with Indiana Jones. It completely ruined the beginning of the movie for me.

I think this may have been forced by Williams in hommage to his best Fan

That guy in the white suit seems to speak perfect american english BTW.

So the accent would not help there.

Anyway he could still speak perfect english even being foreign...

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251]

Impossible, unless he was Russel Crowe or Christian Bale.

[Luke Skywalker 1,284]

ahhh..ok

[Josh500 1,602]

I dare anyone to listen to the Map Room: Dawn on the original release and then the expanded edition and not notice how infinetly better the original album sounds. The chorus is much more alive in the climax, and towards the end of the track, you can hear the choir acompanying the last two renditions of the ark theme, something it's almost unlistenable in the expanded relase. I would be quite shocked if only me and Miguel noticed this.

Actually, I agree on this one. The two tracks DO sound different . . . a LOT (and I have both CDs so I'm qualified to judge)! At first, I was of the opinon that these are two completely different recordings, but Neil keeps insisting that they are, in fact, the same so I have reluctantly come to take his word for it. The Map Room on the OS sounds A LOT better . . . for the reasons stated by Merkel, and because it is played ever so slightly faster.

[Luke Skywalker 1,284]

George Lucas grandfather was Portuguese, so there you go

That's where the Lucas surname came?

[Romão 1,931]

I would assume so, it is failry common surname around here.

[Luke Skywalker 1,284]

I would assume so, it is failry common surname around here.

I assumed it was a Californian surname derivated from ours.

Oh and yes there is a hidden chorus on Map room!

[Henry B 49]

I dare anyone to listen to the Map Room: Dawn on the original release and then the expanded edition and not notice how infinetly better the original album sounds. The chorus is much more alive in the climax, and towards the end of the track, you can hear the choir acompanying the last two renditions of the ark theme, something it's almost unlistenable in the expanded relase. I would be quite shocked if only me and Miguel noticed this.

Actually, I agree on this one. The two tracks DO sound different . . . a LOT (and I have both CDs so I'm qualified to judge)! At first, I was of the opinon that these are two completely different recordings, but Neil keeps insisting that they are, in fact, the same so I have reluctantly come to take his word for it. The Map Room on the OS sounds A LOT better . . . for the reasons stated by Merkel, and because it is played ever so slightly faster.

Do you have track times to back this up? If the speed really is altered, then the pitch is as well, meaning that one of the versions is "wrong."

[Lurker 5]

I dare anyone to listen to the Map Room: Dawn on the original release and then the expanded edition and not notice how infinetly better the original album sounds. The chorus is much more alive in the climax, and towards the end of the track, you can hear the choir acompanying the last two renditions of the ark theme, something it's almost unlistenable in the expanded relase. I would be quite shocked if only me and Miguel noticed this.

Actually, I agree on this one. The two tracks DO sound different . . . a LOT (and I have both CDs so I'm qualified to judge)! At first, I was of the opinon that these are two completely different recordings, but Neil keeps insisting that they are, in fact, the same so I have reluctantly come to take his word for it. The Map Room on the OS sounds A LOT better . . . for the reasons stated by Merkel, and because it is played ever so slightly faster.

Do you have track times to back this up? If the speed really is altered, then the pitch is as well, meaning that one of the versions is "wrong."

Yes, as I've already pointed out, the pitch is off on the original album release.

Neil

[GoldsmithFanatic2000+ 0]

Yes, as I've already pointed out, the pitch is off on the original album release.

Neil

I also thought this to be the case.

The original album release is better.

It's the same with "Carol Anne's Theme" from Poltergeist.

Whilst the cue has a restored missing sequence that appears directly before the actual theme, there are sections of the mix missing. Most noticeably from the actual choir itself.

Being an avid fan of the LP long before Rhino's release came out, I noticed straight away.

[JoeinAR 1,759]

Desert chase is superior on the original soundtrack to the longer version on the expanded.

[Luke Skywalker 1,284]

Desert chase is superior on the original soundtrack to the longer version on the expanded.

I find the edits rather jarring.

[Delorean90 32]

Although I have not heard the edit from the OST, I must say that any trimming down of Desert Chase would result in an inferior product to the original, and thus, Joey's statement is most undeniably bullcrap.

And while we are on it, what sections were cut out?

[Ollie 859]

Longer doesn't neccessarily mean better so Joe's statement is/can be correct and quite frankly the edits on the original album version of the Desert Chase are not even noticable.

[Delorean90 32]

Unfortunately my tongue in cheek tone didn't translate well into cyberspace.

Longer most certainly does not mean better all the time, but in this case, I do fail to see how any cuts can improve the cue.

[Trent Hoyt 13]

Longer most certainly does not mean better all the time

Thats what she said.

[Delorean90 32]

She?!

I know. I was agreeing with the general statement, but disagreeing with the notion of a shorter "Desert Chase" being better.

[JoeinAR 1,759]

Although I have not heard the edit from the OST, I must say that any trimming down of Desert Chase would result in an inferior product to the original, and thus, Joey's statement is most undeniably bullcrap.

And while we are on it, what sections were cut out?

considering that the only available version of Desert Chase for most of 2 decades was the original soundtrack the only statement that is bullcrap is yours, which is so ignorant of how things were.

To have listened to Desert Chase over a thousand times and then suddenly here the new version on the expanded edition was very jarring.

It was not an inferior product to the original you fool, it was the original.

[BurgaFlippinMan 7]

Wouldn't the 'original' be the film version or the one closest to the film version?

[Lurker 5]

I have to agree with Joe on this one. To this day some of the complete "Desert Chase" just sounds weird to me, since the original album was imprinted onto my brain. This phenomenon doesn't really effect other expanded Williams albums, but "Desert Chase" on the original album was a tight, lean edit.

Sometimes less is more.

Neil

[Romão 1,931]

Well, with me and Manuel as well, I supose, the situation is reversed, os the original release of Desert Chase does sound very jarring. The same thing applies to The Well of Souls

[Unlucky Bastard 7,765]

I thought the original LP version sounded more aggressive.

[Delorean90 32]

You guys did see the movie, right?

I mean, I don't deny the impact of hearing something for years and years, but it's not like there's a bunch of unused stuff that was never heard before. Personally, I find "Desert Chase," the cue Williams originally wrote and recorded, to be some of the best eight minutes in film scoring. Oh, well.

[tpigeon 3]

The most memorable version, for me, has always been the music from the film. And the expanded release "Desert Chase" is much more true to the film version. Therefore I prefer it.

Ted