odnurega1 0 Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 I recently listened to the entire Superman soundtrack...the older version..not sure what its titled for sure...and had never heard "Can You Read My Mind" before. As I was listening to it the first time, I laughed a bit, and to be honest, I thought that the vocals and lyrics were corny. I liked JW's music in the background quite a bit, but couldn't get into the performance as a whole. But, for some reason, I can't get it out of my head, and have listened to it a few more times since. I can't decide if I like it or not, because sometimes I do, and sometimes I don't. I guess what I am trying to say that while I find it odd, I am still curiously interested in it.Does anyone else feel the same way? Do you like it, or not? Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicholas 1 Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 Doesn't it fall into that category of something that's so bad - it's good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Andrade 1,263 Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 I always kind of liked it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odnurega1 0 Posted February 22, 2008 Author Share Posted February 22, 2008 Yes, I noticed quoted myself, but a bit too late. I agree with nicholas...that is exactly how I feel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 You have just quoted yourself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurgaFlippinMan 7 Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 I don't really like it. I do like the Maureen McGovern song though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 I love the theme and the McGovern song is good, but the spoken version in the film is just silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 The theme is beautiful, the lyrics are garbage and UTTERLY ruin it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maglorfin 196 Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robthehand 3 Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 The lyrics are corny as hell, but I don't really mind them in the film. I never listen to them on the album, though. John Williams - Star Wars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 I love it.Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 I've never cared for the lyrics for "Can You Read My Mind" since I'm more into orchestra music than vocal. I do like the instrumental version of it though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 I love it.Neilexactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 The music is excellent, and the sung version by SHirley bassey (and other version whose singer i dont remember, but i prefer) is great.The margot Kidder recited version is corny...and the lyrics do not blend with the music as they should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 Anyone who actually likes the lyrical version needs to have their ears syringed. It was woeful then and it is woeful now. No surprises there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 I love the "Love Theme from Superman," it's one of JW's best cues."Can You Read My Mind" is a bit...annoying and cheesy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 Anyone who actually likes the lyrical version needs to have their ears syringed. It was woeful then and it is woeful now. No surprises there.no your just being a stick in the mud, always complaining.its not a great song, but its fun, and its romantic.I love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 It's about as romantic as a cold war. Face it - Can You Read My Mind is a terrible, terrible song. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg1138 3 Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 Can't some people just accept that different people have different tastes without jumping down everyone's throat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 the Great Eye is blind, typically to the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg1138 3 Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 Methinks he feels the need to make up for other deficiencies..........either that or he's still smarting from getting dumped out of the FA Cup by - ahem - Barnsley...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric_JWFAN 11 Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 Of course it's corny, it's SUPERMAN!By the way, nice avatar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Andrade 1,263 Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 its not a great song, but its fun, and its romantic.I love it.Exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 I love the theme, but that song is atrocious. The lyrics, the singing. It may be corny, but that's one of the things I dislike about Superman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Andrade 1,263 Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 I love the theme, but that song is atrocious. The lyrics, the singing. It may be corny, but that's one of the things I dislike about SupermanJust one of the things you dislike, among so many others Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 Of course it's corny, it's SUPERMAN!Nicely put. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 I love the theme, but that song is atrocious. The lyrics, the singing. It may be corny, but that's one of the things I dislike about SupermanExcactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 Can you read my mind?Do you know what it is you do to me?Don't know who you are,Just a friend from another starHere I am like a kid at a schoolHolding hands with a god, I'm a foolWill you look at me quiveringLike a little girl shivering?You can see right through meCan you read my mind?Can you picture the things I'm thinking of?Wondering why you areAll the wonderful things you areYou can fly, you belong to the skyYou and I could belong to each otherIf you need a friend,I'm the one to fly toIf you need to be loved, (to be loved)Here I am, read my mind!INSTRUMENTAL BRIDGEWill you look at me quiveringLike a little girl shivering?You can see right through meIf you need a friend,I'm the one to fly toIf you need to be loved,Here I am, read my mind!Read my mind! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 It's bad, an ugly blemish on what is otherwise a really great score. One of the worst JW songs actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted February 23, 2008 Share Posted February 23, 2008 It's bad, an ugly blemish on what is otherwise a really great score. One of the worst JW songs actually.At the moment, I can't think of a worse one (though I don't have a lot of JW's earlier scores). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted February 23, 2008 Share Posted February 23, 2008 any of the Hook songs, that God awful song from Amistad, I like this better than For Always. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Brausam 214 Posted February 23, 2008 Share Posted February 23, 2008 I like the theme, but I have a difficult time getting past the blatant Strauss. I always expect to hear Strauss's resolution of the theme rather than Williams', and whenever I hear the Strauss I'm always expecting to hear Williams' resolution. Oy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted February 23, 2008 Share Posted February 23, 2008 any of the Hook songs, that God awful song from Amistad, I like this better than For Always.The Hook songs are better than Can You Read My Mind IMO, even though they aren't that great.For Always is much better than CYRMM, but I actually sorta like For Always.I don't have the soundtrack to Amistad, but I do have Dry Your Tears, Afrika, and that is better than the Hook songs, For Always, and CYRMM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted February 23, 2008 Share Posted February 23, 2008 I also can't think of any song that's worse than it at the moment. "Dry Your Tears, Afrika" is one of the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest macrea Posted February 23, 2008 Share Posted February 23, 2008 "Dry Your Tears, Afrika" is God-awful??? It's a terrific piece of music IMO."Can You Read My Mind" has always worked for me in the context of watching the movie but I'm glad to have it on soundtrack without the vocal. The concert version of the Superman love theme (end credits) is one of my favorite JW pieces, so I have no problem with it as a song but it's the McGovern cover version that really works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted February 23, 2008 Share Posted February 23, 2008 "Dry Your Tears, Afrika" is one of the best.I agree. I consider it to be above even the Home Alone songs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted February 23, 2008 Share Posted February 23, 2008 ugh, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted February 23, 2008 Share Posted February 23, 2008 I'm not a fan of the lyrics or song. And the pop version on the Rhino set is pure horror. I prefer just The Flying Sequence cue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted February 23, 2008 Share Posted February 23, 2008 It's not necessarily bad. It's just, ah... dated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
odnurega1 0 Posted February 23, 2008 Author Share Posted February 23, 2008 It's not necessarily bad. It's just, ah... dated.I actually really like "Dry Your Tears, Afrika". It's one of my favorites. I don't see how anyone couldn't like it (although I respect it if you don't ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted February 23, 2008 Share Posted February 23, 2008 I think Henry was talking about Can You Read My Mind.I think most people here really like Dry Your Tears, Afrika. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted February 23, 2008 Share Posted February 23, 2008 Dry Your Tears, Afrika is outstanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest macrea Posted February 23, 2008 Share Posted February 23, 2008 In the above lyrics, the line is "...kid out of school," not "at a school". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diesel 0 Posted February 23, 2008 Share Posted February 23, 2008 In the above lyrics, the line is "...kid out of school," not "at a school".The lyrics, overall, are just god-awful. "Shivering" and "quivering" are about as bad as Prince's "If I gave you Diamonds and Pearls...would you be a happy boy or a girl" (I'm a huge Prince fan) when it comes to trite rhymes. It makes Horner and Dion's "My Heart Will Go On" sound like a stunning masterpiece.In an interview, even the Superman screenwriters (Leslie Newman and her late husband David Newman) said that they found the song "embarassing" (then again, they were wholly responsible for the dialogue and story of SUPERMAN III). Director Richard Donner really was off his rocker when he decided to incorporate Margot Kidder's voiceover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted February 23, 2008 Share Posted February 23, 2008 What does everybody here think of For Always? I for one like it. The lyrics may be a bit corny, but it is so beautiful. I find it vastly superior to Can You Read My Mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artyjeffrey 20 Posted February 23, 2008 Share Posted February 23, 2008 I love it.NeilexactlyThat love theme is one of my top Williams pieces. The thought of hearing it in better sound quality almost forced me to rape my pocketbook to buy that blue box set...I remember when I was a wee lad, attending one of those lame school functions when the teachers force a class to get on stage and sing, and one poor group sang Can You Read My Mind. My film score fanaticism was in its infancy, and I spent the entire trite experience trying to figure out where I had heard the music before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted February 23, 2008 Share Posted February 23, 2008 What does everybody here think of For Always? I for one like it. The lyrics may be a bit corny, but it is so beautiful. I find it vastly superior to Can You Read My Mind.The theme (Monica's) is just beautiful. I like the song pretty well too, but I definitely prefer the instrumental renditions in the score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendal_Ozzel 36 Posted February 23, 2008 Share Posted February 23, 2008 Per Neil. I love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryant Burnette 654 Posted February 23, 2008 Share Posted February 23, 2008 I can definitely understand why the people who hate "Can You Read My Mind?" hate it. It is pure cheese, pure sap, pure '70s. But I think it's like that for a reason, and I think it works extremely well in the movie.Bear in mind, that sequence is entirely from the point-of-view of Lois Lane. In other words, everything that happens is supposed to be viewed with her emotions in mind. That's why the cinematography gets a little fuzzy, and the movie takes a sidestep into a dreamlike state that doesn't exist in any other sequence. But it's totally in character: Lois is a hard-as-nails, uncompromising career woman . . . until she's in Superman's arms, at which point in time she turns into a ball of mush. Drivelling, whimpering, girly-gril mush. To prove it, she gets a song.To me, the artificiality of the whole thing is kind of the point. Why? Because this is a romance that can NEVER work. Even Superman II got that one right in the end. Therefore, you take the music -- representing Superman himself, and his ability to fly -- which is graceful, powerful, transcendant, and superimpose (pardon the pun) over the top of it a hopelessly artificial if charmingly sincere piece of cheese like "Can You Read My Mind?", and what you get is a musical portrait of a relationship that is doomed to exist only in the dreams of the two people involved. I'm not sure I'm saying that clearly enough, but it makes sense in my head.That said, yes, I can definitely understand why so many people find it cringe-inducing. I just don't happen to be one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitch 57 Posted February 23, 2008 Share Posted February 23, 2008 Can you read my mind? Good job you can't read what I'm saying right now. "Go on a diet?", I hear you say. Good heavens no. "Stick a grenade in Hans Zimmer's mouth and pull the pin?" Close. Funniest line wins a 2 week walkabout with Margot Kidder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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