ChuckM 1 Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 What are your thoughts on when a composer integrates classical music or hymns into the score? (Either by directly using the music or by just borrowing cues here and there from it)Some I particularly like are Giacchino's arrangement of "Take Time to be Holy" in Call of Duty ("Red Square"), and Marianelli's usage of cues from "1812 Overture" throughout his score for V for Vendetta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryant Burnette 654 Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 What are your thoughts on when a composer integrates classical music or hymns into the score? (Either by directly using the music or by deliberately borrowing cues here and there from it)Some I particularly like are Giacchino's arrangement of "Take Time to be Holy" in Call of Duty ("Red Square"), and Marianelli's usage of cues from "1812 Overture" throughout his score for V for Vendetta."Amzing Grace" is used beautifully by James Horner in Wrath of Khan. It's also used just as beutifully by Basil Poledouris in Lonesome Dove. In both of those instances, I think the composer intended for the audience to get something specific out of the presence of that piece of music. In other words, they quoted it assuming that we knew what they were doing.I can't think of an instance in which a composer used a classical piece and it felt like stealing, although I'm sure it has happened many, many times.In my opinion, it's all about what's best for the movie, although I certainly think that credit ought to be given when credit is due. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 When is Amazing Grace used in ST2? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckM 1 Posted February 28, 2008 Author Share Posted February 28, 2008 When is Amazing Grace used in ST2?It's a stand-alone piece played by bagpipes if I remember correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,172 Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 The strings take up the theme and repeat it though. But wasn't Horner told to use Amazing Grace and objected? Still, it's great, and should be on the CD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QMM 4 Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 see Master and Commander Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 Master and Commander does have some excellent examples. Most recently, Atonement comes to mind. Even though I object to the sentiment, the music in the Dunkirk scene was beautiful, especailly how Marianelli's music first plays against, than supports, the hymn used in the scene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 Did Horner use a hymn in the launch sequence from Apollo 13? I ask because part of that cue sounds extremely "hymn-like" to me, but I hadn't heard about him (intentionally) doing such a thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 Williams' quote of Strauss in AI (Rouge City) is one of my favorite moments of the score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 Yesand the Mozart in Empire of the Sun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurgaFlippinMan 7 Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 When is Amazing Grace used in ST2?When they shot off Spock's casketAnd of course, who can forget Shore's usage of This Is My Father's World for his Shire/Hobbit theme? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 I really enjoy the incorporation of Mozart's "Dies Irae" from the Requiem Mass in X-Men 2 - even if the drama isn't quite appropriate for the images (Nightcrawler in the White House isn't that epic). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QMM 4 Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 I really enjoy the incorporation of Mozart's "Dies Irae" from the Requiem Mass in X-Men 2 - even if the drama isn't quite appropriate for the images (Nightcrawler in the White House isn't that epic).Any scene with Nightcrawler teleporting around and beating up people is epic enough for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 Williams' quote of Strauss in AI (Rouge City) is one of my favorite moments of the score.Yes, and Amazing Grace in ST II. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 I really enjoy the incorporation of Mozart's "Dies Irae" from the Requiem Mass in X-Men 2 - even if the drama isn't quite appropriate for the images (Nightcrawler in the White House isn't that epic).Yes, that was amazing when I first saw it. Great scene and music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,172 Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 I really enjoy the incorporation of Mozart's "Dies Irae" from the Requiem Mass in X-Men 2 - even if the drama isn't quite appropriate for the images (Nightcrawler in the White House isn't that epic).I thought the reorchestrations and cuts were rather lame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mahler3 478 Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 Yesand the Mozart in Empire of the SunYes was just about to mention that as my favourite example, Williams weaves his own voice during the cue beautifully - to be precise it was Chopin though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric_JWFAN 11 Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 My favorite will always be Miklos Rozsa's orchestrations of Chopin in A Song to Remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 I adore the use of Vaughan Williams' Fantasia on a Theme by Thomas Tallis is Master and Commander. It's poignat. Such a great movie too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omen II 1,235 Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 There are a few good examples of hymns being incorporated into a score that I can think of. I particularly like the bit right at the end of War of the Worlds (the 1950s version) where Leith Stevens references 'Now Thank We All Our God' in the final few bars.George Fenton's inclusion of 'Amazing Grace' in his score for Memphis Belle is also effective and, to give him his due, Hans Zimmer's stirring male voice choir rendition of 'Eternal Father Strong to Save' in Crimson Tide is rather good.As for classical music, has anyone here seen 'The Savage Bees'? Walter Murphy's disco version of 'Flight of the Bumblebee' over the end titles is so bad it's good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldsmithfan 6 Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 Williams' quote of Strauss in AI (Rouge City) is one of my favorite moments of the score.When does that pop up? It's been a little while since I listened to AI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beowulf 4 Posted February 28, 2008 Share Posted February 28, 2008 I actually like how Michael Kamen integrates classical music into the scores for Die Hard and Die Hard 2 (Beethoven's '9th Symphony' and Sibelius' 'Finlandia' respectively).Also of note, although not really "classical", is Kamen's use of 'Aquarela do Brasil' by Ary Barroso in the Gilliam film Brazil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 Williams' quote of Strauss in AI (Rouge City) is one of my favorite moments of the score.When does that pop up? It's been a little while since I listened to AI.When David and Joe are driving over the bridge into Rouge City. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saxbabe 28 Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 "O Danny Boy" I think counts....in George's Fenton's Memphis Belle, especially those End Titles, I always adored his soaring arrangement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indiana_Fett 0 Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 I actually like how Michael Kamen integrates classical music into the scores for Die Hard and Die Hard 2 (Beethoven's '9th Symphony' and Sibelius' 'Finlandia' respectively).And 'When Johnny Comes Marching Home' in Die Hard With a Vengeance. Any particular reason he used Finlandia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 Die Hard 2's director is from Finland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAfonso 186 Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 Marianelli's "Brothers Grimm" also has some chillingly dark takes on Brahms's lullaby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 Not to mention Goldsmith's theme from The Hollow Man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisAfonso 186 Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 I know where the similarity comes from, but really it's only the first 3 notes, so I don't think it's intentional Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maglorfin 196 Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 How about When You Wish Upon a Star in CE3K? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,172 Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 Die Hard 2's director is from Finland.Which is why I think he must still have nightmares from Kamen's horrible recording of the piece. The score's ok, Kamen's fine, but his conducting of Finlandia is an abomination. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrScratch 294 Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 How about When You Wish Upon a Star in CE3K? Man, I love how Williams makes this his own. I've sat and listened to just this cue 3 or 4 times in a row, it is amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maglorfin 196 Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 Yessiree. It's great, sometimes I wish he'd do that more often ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzOutcast 122 Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 Yessiree. It's great, sometimes I wish he'd do that more often ... The two boards I tend to frequent most is this one and the Dream Theater forums. I'm surprised I didn't see your avatar earlier. Right on!Back on topic, I can't think of any examples not mentioned already, but I really dig what Williams did in CE3K as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Brausam 214 Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 Something I just noticed...In the newer The Producer's movie while they are taking the Siegfried oath - Wagner's Siegfried theme is in the underscore. I've never noticed that before becuase I'd always paid more attention to the dialogue. Nice touch! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maglorfin 196 Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 The two boards I tend to frequent most is this one and the Dream Theater forums. I'm surprised I didn't see your avatar earlier. Right on!Sure, thanks. I'm a huge DT (and Symphony X) fan. However, I'm not a member of DT forums, I'd probably have to quit my job to be able to take part in discussions there on a frequent basis ... Back on topic, hasn't Williams also done some great takes on traditional Christmas carols in Home Alone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,172 Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 In the newer The Producer's movie while they are taking the Siegfried oath - Wagner's Siegfried theme is in the underscore. I've never noticed that before becuase I'd always paid more attention to the dialogue. Nice touch!It also appears in Walton's Battle of Britain, as a theme for the Germans I think. At least the suite I have even has a piece named after it: March and Siegfried Music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maglorfin 196 Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 It also appears in Walton's Battle of Britain, as a theme for the Germans I think. At least the suite I have even has a piece named after it: March and Siegfried Music.I've got the Ryko (1999) Deluxe Edition, and it has a track named The Young Siegfrieds (track 21, the 2nd track of Walton's score on the CD), which, as I can see, is the same on 2004 Varese Sarabande edition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingPin 201 Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 Dvorak's Cello Concerto in JW's score to The Witches of Eastwick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg1138 3 Posted March 6, 2008 Share Posted March 6, 2008 Amazing Grace in......erm......Amazing Grace.....Seriously - I know the whole point of the movie is the basis for the song itaself, but David Arnold weaves a fantastic score out of it....and a fantastic album.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASW 0 Posted March 7, 2008 Share Posted March 7, 2008 Yesand the Mozart in Empire of the SunYes was just about to mention that as my favourite example, Williams weaves his own voice during the cue beautifully - to be precise it was Chopin though Aren't there both Chopin and Mozart pieces featured in that score/film? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daredevil101888 0 Posted April 3, 2008 Share Posted April 3, 2008 I think JW's use of Holst's Mars with Star Wars is cool because it brings two "steller" epics together Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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