John Crichton 4 Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 Film Score Monthly is currently counting down their list of the top 40 composers:31-4021-30Last year saw Zimmer in the #1 spot and Williams down to #3 after two years of semi-retirement. Can Indy get Williams back to the top spot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 73 Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 I certainly hope so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scissorhands 16 Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 Duo Concertante and Viola Concerto (along with several arrangement of his own themes) show no sign of retirement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QMM 4 Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 Looks like Williams won't be in the top 10, if one's to follow their hint for 11-20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kendal_Ozzel 32 Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 What exactly is the criteria for ranking here? Just their own picks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 152 Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 Film Score Monthly is currently counting down their list of the top 40 composers:31-4021-30Last year saw Zimmer in the #1 spot and Williams down to #3 after two years of semi-retirement. Can Indy get Williams back to the top spot? Zimmer...number one? I mean, I'm a big HZ fan, but calling him number one. . . .that's rather absurd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,765 Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 Way to keep you in suspense for the next two weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,095 Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 Nice to see Badelt, Djawadi, and Rupert on there already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryant Burnette 451 Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 Duo Concertante and Viola Concerto (along with several arrangement of his own themes) show no sign of retirement.Hence, "semi-retirement." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scissorhands 16 Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 No, that's not semi-retirement. He keeps writing all the time. He's a contemporary composer in the first place, who happens to write for films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 859 Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 Which he seems to not be doing alot of lately, hence the semi-retirement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 783 Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 Zimmer...number one? I mean, I'm a big HZ fan, but calling him number one. . . .that's rather absurd.I agree so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,284 Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 stop using euphemisms with Williams already!The man is just feeling a little lazy nowadays... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,095 Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 Zimmer...number one? I mean, I'm a big HZ fan, but calling him number one. . . .that's rather absurd.I agree so much.He should have been #1. He's able to shell out 4-5 scores a year. JW almost died when he had to do 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 783 Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 Zimmer...number one? I mean, I'm a big HZ fan, but calling him number one. . . .that's rather absurd.I agree so much.He should have been #1. He's able to shell out 4-5 scores a year. JW almost died when he had to do 4.Perhaps you're right. I recall reading how Spielberg was surprised that he did 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,284 Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 Williams has done 4 scores/year several times in his career. Without the help of a composer's 'guild' like media ventures/remote control Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,095 Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 JW has only done 4 a year 3 times in his whole career. Hans does it EVERY year. Not only does he compose on his own, but he produces several other scores, and that is very time consuming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 783 Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 But should we be judging a composer by how much they pump out or by the quality of their work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,095 Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 No, we should judge them by the quality. Hans being able to compose 4 great scores in 1 year deserves that #1 spot. It's FSM, they wouldn't give out #1's if the composer didn't truly deserve it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 859 Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 Zimmer...number one? I mean, I'm a big HZ fan, but calling him number one. . . .that's rather absurd.I agree so much.He should have been #1. He's able to shell out 4-5 scores a year. JW almost died when he had to do 4.he almost died? That's news to me.Of course the man was in his 70's when he did those 4 scores, plus he tours around the US conducting as well.A man Zimmer's age should be able to do 4-5 scores a year with no problem. Didn't Goldsmith do 7 or 8 in one year? Just reading Williams schedule, committments and traveling he had to do during Superman and Superman II in the Blue Box book makes 4-5 scores a year seem like nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 152 Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 Zimmer...number one? I mean, I'm a big HZ fan, but calling him number one. . . .that's rather absurd.I agree so much.He should have been #1. He's able to shell out 4-5 scores a year. JW almost died when he had to do 4.Remember JW uses a pencil and paper, which I'm sure takes much more time than Zimmer's style.Also, as Mark said, JW spent a lot of time giving concerts around the world (and rehearsing many weeks before them).And he's much older than Zimmer.And last year Zimmer only composed 2 scores (The Simpsons Movie and At World's End)And last year in October, JW began thinking about the music for Indy 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251 Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 Hardcrafting something does take a longer time then just stamping something out at the assembly line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 9 Posted March 22, 2008 Share Posted March 22, 2008 JW has only done 4 a year 3 times in his whole career. Hans does it EVERY year. Not only does he compose on his own, but he produces several other scores, and that is very time consuming. Zimmer does not write four scores every year. And while how much of the scores he does write is up for debate, he is the wrong composer to emphasize that he composes it on his own. And I'm interested in hearing the four great scores he composed in one year. ...and this is all besides the point, because FSM is not listing the composers according to talent or quality. Their annual Top-40 is their percieved rankings of composers according to their current popularity in the film scoring world, how notable a year they had before, and what are their prospects for the next year. Zimmer's quality as a film composer may be debatable (duh....though I was and remain a big fan). But his being one of the absolute most in demand composers in Hollywood is not. He's not a no-brainer for number 1....but there's no composer who's specifically more in demand at the moment. This year, it seems like the old stallwarts are gonna be lower on the list than usual, making way for the meteoric rise of Giacchino and Marienelli, as well as Desplat's constant rise in popularity. Even with that, Zimmer, Shore, Horner, T. Newman, and Howard are certainly still up there (Elfman may be a bit lower...I'm not sure). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 152 Posted March 23, 2008 Share Posted March 23, 2008 Well, JW might be in demand just as much as Zimmer. He's just not availible as much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scissorhands 16 Posted March 23, 2008 Share Posted March 23, 2008 Which he seems to not be doing alot of lately, hence the semi-retirement.One single work can take a lot of time to write. It's not like film scoring, where you're forced to write a lot of music in weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted March 23, 2008 Author Share Posted March 23, 2008 FSM doesn't take any non-film works into consideration for its rankings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scissorhands 16 Posted March 23, 2008 Share Posted March 23, 2008 Yeah, I know. I don't care about that kind of lists like FSM's is, I was only quoting your sentence. I know you were referring to JW's film career, I wanted to point out that JW isn't just film music But this is just my point of view... I was talking to a friend about this today, after watching a video of Penderecki conducting a sinfonietta for strings. I told him we should talk more often about Penderecki instead of Giacchino in this board, because JW is, after all, a contemporary composer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted March 23, 2008 Author Share Posted March 23, 2008 Yeah, I know. I don't care about that kind of lists like FSM's is, I was only quoting your sentence. I know you were referring to JW's film career, I wanted to point out that JW isn't just film music No prob. And don't start on Giacchino! I'm convinced, he's the Next Big Thing in film music. (cue silly Williams comparisons) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scissorhands 16 Posted March 23, 2008 Share Posted March 23, 2008 And I hope that's true, film scoring needs a new big name as soon as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 9 Posted March 23, 2008 Share Posted March 23, 2008 And Penderecki freaks me out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,765 Posted March 23, 2008 Share Posted March 23, 2008 No, we should judge them by the quality. Hans being able to compose 4 great scores in 1 year deserves that #1 spot.Most self-contradictory statement I've heard all year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixie_twinkle 44 Posted March 24, 2008 Share Posted March 24, 2008 No, we should judge them by the quality. Hans being able to compose 4 great scores in 1 year deserves that #1 spot. It's FSM, they wouldn't give out #1's if the composer didn't truly deserve it.I don't think he deserves #1 for pumping out a load of #2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Koray Savas 2,095 Posted March 25, 2008 Share Posted March 25, 2008 No, we should judge them by the quality. Hans being able to compose 4 great scores in 1 year deserves that #1 spot. It's FSM, they wouldn't give out #1's if the composer didn't truly deserve it.I don't think he deserves #1 for pumping out a load of #2.Touché Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251 Posted March 25, 2008 Share Posted March 25, 2008 Ah, that sharp and sophisticated English hunor, not even Ricky Gervais could beat our Pixie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted March 27, 2008 Author Share Posted March 27, 2008 11-20Giacchino is in the top 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted March 27, 2008 Share Posted March 27, 2008 HGW's doing the Wolverine movie? That could be good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 9 Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 10-01 Hardly surprising. I hadn't realized that Elfman was scoring Milk. Looking forward to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted April 2, 2008 Author Share Posted April 2, 2008 10-1The good news: Giacchino at #9. The bad news: 1 and 3 look very similar to last year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 9 Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 Ahem..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted April 2, 2008 Author Share Posted April 2, 2008 Ahem, yourself, sir. It's my thread! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 388 Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 Scott's list is unfair to Jerry! He calls John Williams "America's composer." Shame on you, Scott! Dead or alive, Jerry Goldsmith will always be America's composer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 9 Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 Does Dr. Hobgood really need any help? This was the man who took JW's comments that film composers should study music as an insult to Goldsmith. One of him is plenty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 9 Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 Ahem, yourself, sir. It's my thread! Next you'll say the movie thread is Marc's because he started it..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QMM 4 Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 Ugh (in reply to the list) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 388 Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 Does Dr. Hobgood really need any help?Oh, I'd say he needs help, all right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 859 Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 No Damnit!!!!! Noooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!Michael Giacchino should be #1!!!!!!!!!Shows you how powerful Williams is, man doesn't compose a major score for almost 3 years yet he's #3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted April 2, 2008 Author Share Posted April 2, 2008 Not to mention Scott fanning the retirement flames even more:This summer's release of the decades-awaited Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull will feature the first new Williams score in two-and-a-half years, since his Oscar-nominated Munich. It's hard to know how many more scores Williams plans to write (certainly Spielberg seems nowhere near quitting, and he's a spry 61), but considering he's 11 years past the age most people retire, we're lucky to have any new music from him, and if he decides to finally call it a day, a fourth Indiana Jones seems like a wonderful swan song for America's composer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 73 Posted April 2, 2008 Share Posted April 2, 2008 How disappointing. I would have been happy with Elfman getting the #1 spot. Giacchino definitely needs to be higher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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