Other possible James Bond Composers

[JCoppack 0]

I love Arnold's work on the recent Bond films, but if he was to step down, I would consider Murray Gold or Ben Foster. I've been listening to their work on Doctor who and Torchwood respectfully, and I think either of them would be a good choice. I also think it would be a great chance for them to break into Hollywood film scoring, as they are currently seem be be associated with TV work.

Otherwise I think Giacchino would probably be a good choice, and obviously it would be great to have John Barry back too.

[vmw331 2]

Alright guys.....

For some reason, I think there's something about Elfman's MIB theme that sounds a little like one of the bond themes or motifs.

I don't know what it is but there's some resemblance.

Of the scores I've heard from Elfman, I think he would use the "MIB" flavor or stlye for a bond movie and I wouldn't particularly care for that, especially since I love Barry's style.

Giacchino is the best composer for the job (other than Arnold) because he won't "copy" Barry, like some of you are stating, but he will use the Barryesque flavor with his own style like he did for the Incredibles.

[Wycket 36]

Alright guys.....

For some reason, I think there's something about Elfman's MIB theme that sounds a little like one of the bond themes or motifs.

I don't know what it is but there's some resemblance.

Of the scores I've heard from Elfman, I think he would use the "MIB" flavor or stlye for a bond movie and I wouldn't particularly care for that, especially since I love Barry's style.

Giacchino is the best composer for the job (other than Arnold) because he won't "copy" Barry, like some of you are stating, but he will use the Barryesque flavor with his own style like he did for the Incredibles.

Exactly. I don't understand why people say Giacchino would just copy Barry while Arnold simply uses his style, b/c all I usually hear at Bond boards is the opposite. In my mind, Casino Royale, despite stealing stuff from his previous scores (TND and Godzilla in particular) I think Arnold deserves another film. But if Quantum of Solace is a step back towards TWINE and DAD, then a change is needed.

[Trent Hoyt 13]

I agree that after Casino Royale Arnold should get another film. It was a great score that waited to let its Bond colors fly until the final cue. Now that the Bond character is established with his double-O status it will be interesting to see what Arnold does with the score. That being said, it seems that Giacchino is becoming the go to guy when we want someone to take over an existing franchise. After MI3, it seems like he really respects the previous scores and themes of a franchise.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251]

But what exactly did he add to it?

[Luke Skywalker 1,284]

Some new themes and good renditions of previous material

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251]

People bashed Doyle and Hoopere for exactly the same thing here, and still do.

[Luke Skywalker 1,284]

People bashed Doyle and Hoopere for exactly the same thing here, and still do.

I must have lived in another dimension than you.

Since when HP 4 & 5 have GOOD renditions of previous material? They seldom use Hedwig's theme.

Giacchino used as many (if not more) Schiffrin themes than Elfman. He used them openly and sublty.

Plus his new themes blend neatly with the old material.

So, i think you erred your statement completely.

In other Words:

There is no comparison.

[Wycket 36]

People bashed Doyle and Hoopere for exactly the same thing here, and still do.

I must have lived in another dimension than you.

Since when HP 4 & 5 have GOOD renditions of previous material? They seldom use Hedwig's theme.

Giacchino used as many (if not more) Schiffrin themes than Elfman. He used them openly and sublty.

Plus his new themes blend neatly with the old material.

So, i think you erred your statement completely.

In other Words:

There is no comparison.

Exactly. When I watched M:I III it felt like Schiffrin and Elfman (not Zimmer thankfully). Potter barely sounds like what Williams established with the first three films which is a true shame. When talking of Arnold, sometimes he can do what Giacchino did for M:I 3, but he usually gets stuck in ruts and goes for the MV method of throwing a bunch of crap together and hoping it will turn out to something good. DAD is a perfect example of the failure of this mentality.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251]

DAD was the perfect score for it's film!

[Hitch 55]

Beautiful composed and conducted by James Horner

[Mr. Breathmask 480]

DAD was the perfect score for it's film!

Indeed.

And yet the score is still better than the movie itself.

Also, Manuel, it's not about how often we hear Hedwig's theme, but how it's used and played.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251]

Parts of it are outstanding, while some parts are a bit overbearing.

[Romão 1,931]

Goldenthal.

Hell yeah!!!

[Luke Skywalker 1,284]

Also, Manuel, it's not about how often we hear Hedwig's theme, but how it's used and played.

In a crappy and unrespectful way.

Your point is?

[Mr. Breathmask 480]

I don't understand why your response to this comment...

People bashed Doyle and Hoopere for exactly the same thing here, and still do.

...is turning into a hissy fit.

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251]

Both Doyle and Hooper interpret the theme in an interesting and for their particular films fitting way.

[Luke Skywalker 1,284]

I don't understand why your response to this comment...

People bashed Doyle and Hoopere for exactly the same thing here, and still do.

...is turning into a hissy fit.

Tell me where what that has in common with

"Good renditions of previous material"

[Koray Savas 2,095]

Harry Gregson-Williams or John Powell. They are the top contenders, don't forget the composer has to be a Brit!

[Marian Schedenig 5,520]

People bashed Doyle and Hoopere for exactly the same thing here, and still do.

That's because they took over a franchise from Williams.

[Ollie 859]

Which is a no-no according to some here.

How about George S. Clinton.

[Koray Savas 2,095]

He did Bond spoofs. His Austin Powers scores were suitable for the content I suppose. I think a Scott/Gregson-Williams Bond film would be awesome.

[Luke Skywalker 1,284]

People bashed Doyle and Hoopere for exactly the same thing here, and still do.

That's because they took over a franchise from Williams.

Thorne, Courage, Davis, Small, Mcneely etc... are not THAT critisized. Figures.

[Romão 1,931]

"All generalizations are dangerous, including this one"

Not everyone who doesn't like Doyle's and Hopper's Harry Potter scores are blinded by JW fanboysm. IN the case of GOF, I was much more dissapointed with score as a Doyle fan, rather than as a Williams fan

[Hlao-roo 388]

Not everyone who doesn't like Doyle's and Hopper's Harry Potter scores are blinded by JW fanboysm. IN the case of GOF, I was much more dissapointed with score as a Doyle fan, rather than as a Williams fan

As much as I admired portions of the score, I, too, was disappointed as a Doyle fan, although it's been quite some time since Doyle last impressed me (pre-Gosford Park). (I have not yet listened to As You Like It.)

[Morlock 9]

Me too. Gosford Park was the last Doyle score I really liked (Though As You Like It is quite nice).

[Marian Schedenig 5,520]

Nice but only that. I like his HP more.

[Maglorfin 195]

Harry Gregson-Williams or John Powell. They are the top contenders, don't forget the composer has to be a Brit!

Yeah, Gregson-Williams's take on 007 would also be quite interesting to hear.

[Neimoidian 13]

Harry Gregson-Williams or John Powell. They are the top contenders, don't forget the composer has to be a Brit!

Yeah, Gregson-Williams's take on 007 would also be quite interesting to hear.

I wouldn't be that interested in hearing HGW's Bond. I am not a great fan of his approach to scoring action (except terrific "Kingdom of Heaven") and his use of electronics appealsto me less than Arnold's.

[Elmo Lewis 6]

People bashed Doyle and Hoopere for exactly the same thing here, and still do.

That's because they took over a franchise from Williams.

Thorne, Courage, Davis, Small, Mcneely etc... are not THAT critisized. Figures.

One might argue that those sagas aren't as sectarian. Also, you're not suggesting that Davis' or Small's work is superior to Doyle's because it gets bashed less, are you?

[Luke Skywalker 1,284]

No, but they seem to have created real sequel scores.

And doyle-hooper had better movies to work with.

[Elmo Lewis 6]

Thorne's Superman II is to you a real sequel score? Is it even a real score?

[Henry B 49]

Didn't you know? The closer to the original a sequel score (and film!) is, the better. All things new are inherently bad.

[Luke Skywalker 1,284]

Thorne's Superman II is to you a real sequel score? Is it even a real score?

Mind you i was amazed how many blue box owners praised his work.

I never thought he did anything great and i thought people thought that too, but seeing the praise... (even the comedical SPIII) that s why I included him.

Didn't you know? The closer to the original a sequel score (and film!) is, the better. All things new are inherently bad.

Look, Williams the lost world is a great score. Completely different from the original

Still, it has better renditions of his previous material than Doyle-Hooper

You enjoy the lesser HP scores? good for you.

I would not have minded a little more thematical cohesion, as much as the actors had to be the same (or in the case of richard harris, gambon is makeuped to look like the harris dumbledore looked).

[Henry B 49]

Well, I agree with you on The Lost World being a great score, but its treatment of previous material is really similar to Goblet of Fire, actually. Only one main theme retained, and its style drastically altered. (I'm not counting the abrupt and awkward reprise of concert suites that is the end credits.)

[Mr. Breathmask 480]

For the 100th time, thematical continuity already went out the window when Williams was still composing for the HP series.

[Luke Skywalker 1,284]

Well, I agree with you on The Lost World being a great score, but its treatment of previous material is really similar to Goblet of Fire, actually. Only one main theme retained, and its style drastically altered. (I'm not counting the abrupt and awkward reprise of concert suites that is the end credits.)

It is the Jurassic park concert version williams plays. Check compilation albums and compare. Why Williams prefers this speed-up version i dont know.

And you are wrong. The carnosaur motif remains. And check 'The Trek' at 4:02 to hear a similar 'kitchen raptor footsteps/breath music' used for the raptor hunt in the high grass.

And davis cleverly used the little ending music from Journey to the Island to create a Mercenary theme.

For the 100th time, thematical continuity already went out the window when Williams was still composing for the HP series.

Tell me if there is something as lengthy as Lumos! in Hooper-Doyle scores.

[Henry B 49]

And you are wrong. The carnosaur motif remains. And check 'The Trek' at 4:02 to hear a similar 'kitchen raptor footsteps/breath music' used for the raptor hunt in the high grass.

What's the carnosaur motif? In any case, these references are subtle at best.

Tell me if there is something as lengthy as Lumos! in Hooper-Doyle scores.

There's nothing as long as "Lumos!" but why is length an indication of quality? The cue is just Hedwig's Theme, and it may even be reused from Philosopher's Stone (note the use of real celeste and the tape hiss) with a short harp bookend added. If you're listening to Goblet of Fire CD, you're not getting the full picture of Doyle's adaptive work. His most exuberant usage of Hedwig's Theme isn't even in the film (replaced by a similar but very low-key rendition of the theme). It can be heard on the DVD menus (and ripped cleanly, hurray). Also not on the CD is the end credits music, which puts Hedwig's Theme to good use.

As for Order of the Phoenix, it's not such a great score, but the main title certainly showcases Hedwig's Theme well. I think it should have been used in the end credits.

[Luke Skywalker 1,284]

And you are wrong. The carnosaur motif remains. And check 'The Trek' at 4:02 to hear a similar 'kitchen raptor footsteps/breath music' used for the raptor hunt in the high grass.

What's the carnosaur motif? In any case, these references are subtle at best.

Man, its the theme Williams uses for the carnivore dinosaurs, Davis also used it.

E.g.: The Raptor attack 0:10-0:14

[Henry B 49]

Oh, that motif. I don't recall it being in The Lost World. It's such a short, chromatic bit that lots of things could be mistaken for it.

Unfortunately, I actually don't own The Lost World, so I can't compare them. I only know the score from illegally downloading it. However, in good conscience, I deleted the music a year or two ago. Tragic!

[Neimoidian 13]

Oh, that motif. I don't recall it being in The Lost World. It's such a short, chromatic bit that lots of things could be mistaken for it.

Unfortunately, I actually don't own The Lost World, so I can't compare them. I only know the score from illegally downloading it. However, in good conscience, I deleted the music a year or two ago. Tragic!

I am actually telling myself that I am going to buy the original one... and I will, but sometime later.

- Chris, who prefers TLW to JP.

[Luke Skywalker 1,284]

Oh, that motif. I don't recall it being in The Lost World. It's such a short, chromatic bit that lots of things could be mistaken for it.

Unfortunately, I actually don't own The Lost World, so I can't compare them. I only know the score from illegally downloading it. However, in good conscience, I deleted the music a year or two ago. Tragic!

BTW, im checking TLW and im not sure it is the same motif. Its a 4 note motif but it is darker, lower key. Used for the carnivores too. It differs in a note i think.

(i can only find the JP one on the intro to the JP theme in the end credits...)

[Maglorfin 195]

Harry Gregson-Williams or John Powell. They are the top contenders, don't forget the composer has to be a Brit!

Yeah, Gregson-Williams's take on 007 would also be quite interesting to hear.

I wouldn't be that interested in hearing HGW's Bond. I am not a great fan of his approach to scoring action (except terrific "Kingdom of Heaven") and his use of electronics appealsto me less than Arnold's.

Well, perhaps he'd do as well for Bond as he did for Kingdom of Heaven.