Quintus 5,391 Posted March 30, 2008 Share Posted March 30, 2008 The Seven Years In Tibet thread made me think about cues which begin brilliantly, but then just of fade into something a lot less interesting, almost spoiling the cue all together. The first three minutes of Tibet's opening cue are stunning, but once that's over the music becomes rather boring, in my opinion of course.Which cues do this for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251 Posted March 30, 2008 Share Posted March 30, 2008 Duel of the Fates.The Forest Battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 9 Posted March 30, 2008 Share Posted March 30, 2008 But the Forest Battle has that fantastic finale! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,765 Posted March 30, 2008 Share Posted March 30, 2008 "Hedwig's Theme". What a fizzer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,391 Posted March 30, 2008 Author Share Posted March 30, 2008 Duel of the Fates.Really?Sarcasm perhaps... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251 Posted March 30, 2008 Share Posted March 30, 2008 No, after about 3.5 minutes it's said all it needs to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 633 Posted March 30, 2008 Share Posted March 30, 2008 I know we're not talking complete scores here, but the first thing that popped into my mind when seeing the thread title was Vertical Limit by James Newton Howard. The first tracks are great, but then it rather loses steam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixie_twinkle 44 Posted March 30, 2008 Share Posted March 30, 2008 No, after about 3.5 minutes it's said all it needs to say.I'd say even 3.5 is pushing it. I'm bored by the two minute mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,391 Posted March 30, 2008 Author Share Posted March 30, 2008 I am bored of it myself now, but that is a result of overplay on by part. Before that though, I loved every single second of it for about six months. As for The Forest Battle, that actually gets more interesting in the second half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 2,082 Posted March 30, 2008 Share Posted March 30, 2008 I know we're not talking complete scores here, but the first thing that popped into my mind when seeing the thread title was Vertical Limit by James Newton Howard. The first tracks are great, but then it rather loses steam.Not one of JNH's better scores. The movie sucked IMO and its cheesiness didn't help.Amazing how honest people get about JW's music sometimes isn't it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 633 Posted March 30, 2008 Share Posted March 30, 2008 Not one of JNH's better scores. The movie sucked IMO and its cheesiness didn't help.I haven't seen the movie, but the main theme in any case is really, realy good. I absolutely love track 2, "Three Years Later". Many of the first tracks are easily 4-star material, but not the entire album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 859 Posted March 30, 2008 Share Posted March 30, 2008 I love the "Avalanche" cue.Battle Of The Heroes does it for me, after the first few bars of the chorus it loses steam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,064 Posted March 30, 2008 Share Posted March 30, 2008 Duel of the Fates.I actually think the reverse is true for this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 2,924 Posted March 30, 2008 Share Posted March 30, 2008 No, after about 3.5 minutes it's said all it needs to say.I don't like the false ending of DotFAnd anything by JNH. Always these promising themes that fall short of something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 152 Posted March 30, 2008 Share Posted March 30, 2008 "The Kraken" from PotC: DMC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 73 Posted March 30, 2008 Share Posted March 30, 2008 Duel of the Fates.I agree, though I do really like the finale. Most of the middle sections are too repetitive. It's similar to "Across the Stars". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissPadmé 17 Posted March 30, 2008 Share Posted March 30, 2008 "The Kraken" from PotC: DMC.ohh yes definately! I always thought that Bass line at the beginning sounded very promising but after4 minutes or so it is complete garbageDuel of the Fates.I never understood why they put the most boring version on the album... the unreleased one's are far better.. and have mor exiting Williams-bombast orchestrations! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251 Posted March 30, 2008 Share Posted March 30, 2008 That's what Williams wanted for his concert piece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissPadmé 17 Posted March 30, 2008 Share Posted March 30, 2008 That's what Williams wanted for his concert piece.Ok mr cosman then I don't understand why Williams chose that one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251 Posted March 30, 2008 Share Posted March 30, 2008 I hardly ever understand Williams decisions when uit comes to his role as album producer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 859 Posted March 30, 2008 Share Posted March 30, 2008 Duel of the Fates.I agree, though I do really like the finale. Most of the middle sections are too repetitive. It's similar to "Across the Stars".Shouldn't it be Across the Stars is similar to DOTF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeshopk 8 Posted March 30, 2008 Share Posted March 30, 2008 The Seven Years In Tibet thread made me think about cues which begin brilliantly, but then just of fade into something a lot less interesting, almost spoiling the cue all together. The first three minutes of Tibet's opening cue are stunning, but once that's over the music becomes rather boring, in my opinion of course.Which cues do this for you?That's funny, because I actually feel the opposite, that the beginning is weaker than the rest. Mahler's movements usually have a strong beginning and often lose me after a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,284 Posted March 30, 2008 Share Posted March 30, 2008 I have no complains for 'The Forest Battle' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent Hoyt 13 Posted March 30, 2008 Share Posted March 30, 2008 "The Planet Krypton." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pete 520 Posted March 30, 2008 Share Posted March 30, 2008 I know its dependant on the scenes it scores, but I wish the Star Wars 3 cue, "Grevious Speaks to Lord Sirious" contained more of that operatic choral work. I definately lose interest after that, but now have an edited version with the end chopped off, so I'm happy, but still wish it was longer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 152 Posted March 31, 2008 Share Posted March 31, 2008 "The Planet Krypton."Yeah, that's a great example. I love the first minute or so, but afterwards it's just dead music.A track that always leaves me feeling unsatisfied is "The Orange Man" from Unbreakable. We finally get this big dramatic statement of JNH's tremendous theme, but it only last a couple of seconds. I wish we got more of it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,095 Posted March 31, 2008 Share Posted March 31, 2008 "The Kraken" from PotC: DMC.How so? I love the beginning. Hans is the master at building up music.I've never been disappointed by a cue, it's either good or bad, never in between. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251 Posted March 31, 2008 Share Posted March 31, 2008 "The Planet Krypton."Yeah, that's a great example. I love the first minute or so, but afterwards it's just dead music.No, that's called underscore, you blithering idiot! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 152 Posted March 31, 2008 Share Posted March 31, 2008 "The Kraken" from PotC: DMC.How so? I love the beginning. Hans is the master at building up music.I love the beggining as well, but at 3:16 to the end, it starts to not get so great. I still enjoy listening to it at times, but it's definetly not as good as at the beggining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,095 Posted March 31, 2008 Share Posted March 31, 2008 I'm listening to it now and I suppose you're right. It definitely doesn't need to be 7 minutes long, a shorter cue would be more enjoyable, but it's most likely actually 7 minutes in the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steb74 53 Posted March 31, 2008 Share Posted March 31, 2008 "The Planet Krypton."Yeah, that's a great example. I love the first minute or so, but afterwards it's just dead music.No, that's called underscore, you blithering idiot!Indeed, I'm almost lost for words.I think the whole track is amazing, the mood and tone it sets is perfect - with or without the movie.Different strokes I guess, although a kipper slap is in order Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,391 Posted March 31, 2008 Author Share Posted March 31, 2008 Yeah The Planet Krypton is a snore-fest. BORING!The Throne Room is another one. Starts out great, but soon turns to just more uneventful underscore as the medals are handed out. Yawn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 2,924 Posted March 31, 2008 Share Posted March 31, 2008 "Hedwig's Theme". What a fizzer.Youve got to be kidding me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,064 Posted March 31, 2008 Share Posted March 31, 2008 The Throne Room is another one."Hedwig's Theme". What a fizzer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,391 Posted March 31, 2008 Author Share Posted March 31, 2008 The Visitors/Bye/End Titles from CEOT3K is another one. Had great potential early on in the cue, but it all went to pot once Williams decided to plagiarize Leigh Harline. Boring! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,064 Posted March 31, 2008 Share Posted March 31, 2008 Well as long as we're mentioning the really bad ones like Hedwig's Theme...How about Rebel Fleet/End Titles from ESB.What a piece of garbage! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent Hoyt 13 Posted March 31, 2008 Share Posted March 31, 2008 Its amazing how my little comment spun around the entire thread.Lets add "Journey to the Island." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,391 Posted March 31, 2008 Author Share Posted March 31, 2008 Yeah, who'd have thought that could happen in this place eh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 859 Posted March 31, 2008 Share Posted March 31, 2008 I feel like I'm in an airplane now and we're going down with no hope of surviving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent Hoyt 13 Posted March 31, 2008 Share Posted March 31, 2008 Its a madhouse a madddhhoouuusseee!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,391 Posted March 31, 2008 Author Share Posted March 31, 2008 I feel like I'm in an airplane now and we're going down with no hope of surviving.At least that wouldn't be boring, like Hedwig's theme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,095 Posted March 31, 2008 Share Posted March 31, 2008 If we're going down at least I'm gonna enjoy the ride. M-Squad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted March 31, 2008 Share Posted March 31, 2008 "The Planet Krypton."Yeah, that's a great example. I love the first minute or so, but afterwards it's just dead music.No, that's called underscore, you blithering idiot!Indeed, and wonderful at that.Now for my turn at controversy:The Fortress of Solitude- the mystical music has always been a bit of a snoozer for me. The main theme statement at the end picks it back up, though.Quidditch, Third Year- the whole cue is great, but the first 30 seconds or so are by far the best part.John- strapping on the life vest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QMM 4 Posted March 31, 2008 Share Posted March 31, 2008 The Fortress of SolitudeJohn- strapping on the life vestYeah you better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 1,931 Posted March 31, 2008 Share Posted March 31, 2008 A good Zimmer example comes to mind. Jack Sparrow. Nice quirky little theme, sounds great on the cellos, and then is completely ruined by that MV wall of sound. Such poor taste. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 152 Posted March 31, 2008 Share Posted March 31, 2008 A good Zimmer example comes to mind. Jack Sparrow. Nice quirky little theme, sounds great on the cellos, and then is completely ruined by that MV wall of sound. Such poor taste.I can listen to all of "Jack Sparrow," and I never get tired of it. I love the entire thing. Though I must admit, my favorite sections from that cue are the statements of Jack's theme, whether they're played by the entire orchestra or by one cello. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,095 Posted March 31, 2008 Share Posted March 31, 2008 Everybody love a da Hans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurgaFlippinMan 7 Posted March 31, 2008 Share Posted March 31, 2008 Threesomes...they just aren't what they are hyped to be.Oh wait we are talking about music here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 2,082 Posted March 31, 2008 Share Posted March 31, 2008 A good Zimmer example comes to mind. Jack Sparrow. Nice quirky little theme, sounds great on the cellos, and then is completely ruined by that MV wall of sound. Such poor taste.I can listen to all of "Jack Sparrow," and I never get tired of it. I love the entire thing. Though I must admit, my favorite sections from that cue are the statements of Jack's theme, whether they're played by the entire orchestra or by one cello.Absolutely. I find the first couple of minutes an amazingly addictive piece, but as soon as those heavy brass and strings come in, the magic is somewhat lost.Why can't Hans just banish synths being used in the final performance, and record the orchestra normally, like everyone else... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 9 Posted March 31, 2008 Share Posted March 31, 2008 The Fortress of Solitude- the mystical music has always been a bit of a snoozer for me. The main theme statement at the end picks it back up, though. I love the Crystal theme. I think that the Superman score has many amazing things about it, but, most of all, I love how JW totally captured the different mythological aspects of the character. Except for the Villains March (which I still like), every single leitmotif captures the essence beautifully, be it Smallville, Krypton, the Crystals, Lois, and, of course, Superman himself. And 'The Fortress of Solitude' totally captures the journey from Clark Kent to Superman.A good Zimmer example comes to mind. Jack Sparrow. Nice quirky little theme, sounds great on the cellos, and then is completely ruined by that MV wall of sound. Such poor taste. I agree that the big MV stuff take away from it.....but it comes back at the end, with the cello wonderfully taking over from that wall of sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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