Thor 7,492 Posted June 25, 2020 Share Posted June 25, 2020 Probably not as 'sexy' with a pic of the hard drive collection, but here is mine anyway: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted June 25, 2020 Share Posted June 25, 2020 8 minutes ago, Thor said: Probably not as 'sexy' with a pic of the hard drive collection, but here is mine anyway: Blasphemy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,492 Posted June 25, 2020 Share Posted June 25, 2020 Yeah, well, of the 66 titles above, I only have 15 on CD, which is kinda embarassing as a longtime Zimmer fan. So I chose the screen grab! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted June 25, 2020 Share Posted June 25, 2020 29 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: My collection: That is one more than my Max Steiner collection! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,054 Posted June 25, 2020 Share Posted June 25, 2020 5 minutes ago, bruce marshall said: That is one more than my Max Steiner collection! That's because you owe me a copy of Trubite Record's The Adventures of Don Juan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,492 Posted June 25, 2020 Share Posted June 25, 2020 Sorry, I was supposed to edit an earlier response, but the edit button was gone, and I clicked 'quote' accidentally! (does the 'edit' button disappear after a while?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted June 25, 2020 Share Posted June 25, 2020 13 minutes ago, Thor said: Sorry, I was supposed to edit an earlier response, but the edit button was gone, and I clicked 'quote' accidentally! (does the 'edit' button disappear after a while?). Yes its a new feature we are trying out. It's currently set to 61 minutes after a post is submitted that you can still edit it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,492 Posted June 25, 2020 Share Posted June 25, 2020 Damn, now that spelling error is going to bug me forever! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted June 25, 2020 Share Posted June 25, 2020 22 hours ago, Koray Savas said: Film has always been a collaborative art, in all facets. You have a director, but they have countless assistants that shoot footage as well. No one disparages them for “taking all the credit.” I think we need a " second unit director auteur theory"😛 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted June 25, 2020 Share Posted June 25, 2020 5 hours ago, Nick Parker said: What makes music great to you? Honest question. My comment wasn't aimed as much in the orchestral realm; I don't think the European symphonic orchestra is the alpha and omega of music. Oh, don't tiptoe around the question, "what makes music great to you?" In the context of music, you said "Great art has been created by the melding of great minds". I didn't start throwing around "great". So, name great composers whose work was created together with other composers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted June 25, 2020 Share Posted June 25, 2020 Bernstein and Sondheim Gershwin and Gershwin Rodgers and Hammerstein Lennon and McCartney The Doors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted June 25, 2020 Author Share Posted June 25, 2020 Page and Plant Waters and Gilmour John and Taupin bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted June 25, 2020 Share Posted June 25, 2020 You can add the film songs of Barry and Mancini to list Wagner may have written his own libretto but he needed Liszt and others to conduct his opera's, not to mention the staging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HunterTech 989 Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 8 hours ago, Thor said: So moving along.... To you fans out there -- how many Zimmer albums do you have in your collection? I have 66, digital and CDs combined. I'm just realizing I don't actually own any Zimmer CDs, likely thanks to my preference towards C&C sets in regards to my super picky criteria for what I use my money on. I'm sure if the Mondo M:I-2 LP release and Xperiments got put out on CD, I'd have happily bought both. I've grabbed loads of stuff digitally, but here's what I have on my phone currently (some of which are multiple sets): Angels & Demons Batman v Superman Black Rain Days of Thunder Gladiator Inferno Madagascar 1-2 Man of Steel Mission: Impossible 2 Pirates 1-4 Rain Man The Da Vinci Code The Ring The Simpsons Movie Dark Phoenix/Xperiments The Rock Amazing Spider-Man 2 Cool Runnings Sherlock 1-2 Dark Knight Trilogy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 " on your phone"? You kids disgust me! Have a nice day!😊 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 5 hours ago, gkgyver said: Oh, don't tiptoe around the question, "what makes music great to you?" In the context of music, you said "Great art has been created by the melding of great minds". I didn't start throwing around "great". So, name great composers whose work was created together with other composers. The examples are so numerous, but it's easy to imagine someone as yourself dismissing them almost out of hand. I wasn't dodging the question, I was asking what I anticipated was the next one. George Clinton, Bootsy Collins, and Bernie Worrell Wayne Shorter and Joe Zawinul Miles Davis and Gil Evans Duke Ellington and Billy Strayhorn (though they were more separate than the common narrative lets on) Donald Fagen and Walter Becker Charles Mingus and Sy Johnson These are the most immediate ones to come to my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 6 hours ago, gkgyver said: So, name great composers whose work was created together with other composers. Your argument suggests that the European conservatory composer is the only valid way of making music. This is of course ridiculous, because music is incredibly collaborative in most pools outside of the concert hall. Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 29 minutes ago, KK said: Your argument suggests that the European conservatory composer is the only valid way of making music. This is of course ridiculous, because music is incredibly collaborative in most pools outside of the concert hall. I guess members of a site devoted to JW expects every composer to follow his trail. When SGT. PEPPER...came out in 1967 it was treated as if it was a Beethoven symphony. Classical composers and critics like Ned Rorem praised it as great art. Nobody fussed over credits. If they didn't have an issue with collaborative music, why do you? Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,683 Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 I don't expect every composer to write a score completely alone - I can understand the odd other composer helping out here and there. It just rubs me the wrong way when an album cover says 'Music by Hans Zimmer', then you read the liners and find 8 other composers listed. If it said 'Music produced by Hans Zimmer', it might give a more accurate reflection of who's actually done the work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 4 hours ago, Richard Penna said: It just rubs me the wrong way when an album cover says 'Music by Hans Zimmer', then you read the liners and find 8 other composers listed. .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,492 Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 Yeah, Zimmer tends to name the main composers on the front cover, and the rest in the booklet: Note that in the case of THE ROCK, Glennie-Smith gets first credit, because he IS the main composer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chewy 2,388 Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 On 6/25/2020 at 8:18 PM, Thor said: Probably not as 'sexy' with a pic of the hard drive collection, but here is mine anyway: No Dunkirk? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 On 6/25/2020 at 10:57 AM, Richard Penna said: My collection: The Thin Red Line Interstellar Gladiator King Arthur Da Vinci Code Angels & Demons The Lone Ranger Dark Phoenix Pirates 3 Plus a few bits from The Rock. Might be missing the odd one, as I don't sort my collection by composer. Amazing that LONE RANGER has become a highly prized collectible. Doubt I'll ever get to hear it😞 1 hour ago, Chewy said: No Dunkirk? Thor (and I) are fans, not fanatics! Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,683 Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 1 hour ago, bruce marshall said: Amazing that LONE RANGER has become a highly prized collectible. Doubt I'll ever get to hear it😞 What do you mean, you'll never get to hear it? You don't need to get hold of a CD to listen to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 Bilbo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 46 minutes ago, Richard Penna said: What do you mean, you'll never get to hear it? You don't need to get hold of a CD to listen to it. Marshall don't do downloads!😡 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,683 Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 ? https://open.spotify.com/album/2Jqqt4hlvKdQpPWjpLg33L I'm continually amazed at people who deny themselves hearing music because they won't either use Spotify or spend $10 on a download. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted June 26, 2020 Share Posted June 26, 2020 1 hour ago, Richard Penna said: ? https://open.spotify.com/album/2Jqqt4hlvKdQpPWjpLg33L I'm continually amazed at people who deny themselves hearing music because they won't either use Spotify or spend $10 on a download. I like listening to music thru speakers. And, I don't want to end encourage digital only releases. And I'm old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted June 27, 2020 Author Share Posted June 27, 2020 14 hours ago, Richard Penna said: I don't expect every composer to write a score completely alone - I can understand the odd other composer helping out here and there. It just rubs me the wrong way when an album cover says 'Music by Hans Zimmer', then you read the liners and find 8 other composers listed. If it said 'Music produced by Hans Zimmer', it might give a more accurate reflection of who's actually done the work. But, that’s literally how every credit works. The director has assistant unit directors. Editors, cinematographers, costume designers, production designers. All these people lead a team to achieve an end goal. Zimmer’s scores are mostly distinctly Zimmer, regardless of who works on them. A solo Jablonsky score sounds different than Jablonsky as an additional music composer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 On 6/25/2020 at 3:55 PM, Koray Savas said: Page and Plant Waters and Gilmour John and Taupin Reznor and Ross?😳 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bilbo 3,709 Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 13 hours ago, bruce marshall said: Reznor and Ross?😳 No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Bilbo said: No They compose film scores together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,054 Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 On 6/26/2020 at 2:24 AM, HunterTech said: I don't actually own any Zimmer CDs You're forgiven. 15 hours ago, Koray Savas said: Zimmer’s scores are mostly distinctly Zimmer, regardless of who works on them. He only hires the best imitators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 On 6/25/2020 at 11:18 AM, Thor said: Probably not as 'sexy' with a pic of the hard drive collection, but here is mine anyway: I have WHITE FANG but I don't count it a a Zimmer score. I bought it for the wonderful BP music. Early Zimmer , like WF, is second rate Vangelis. He really developed as a composer later in his career! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,492 Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 I love early Zimmer myself, the London days and all that. The stuff for Nicholas Roeg, for example, is brilliant. While I like Poledouris' WHITE FANG material, I think I prefer the Zimmer material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 50 minutes ago, Thor said: I love early Zimmer myself, the London days and all that. The stuff for Nicholas Roeg, for example, is brilliant. While I like Poledouris' WHITE FANG material, I think I prefer the Zimmer material. Of course you do!😁 Btw Zimmer gave Gerard co-composer credit even though- going by the credits- she did much less than half the music. But, she definitely deserved it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,492 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 I mean, how can you not like this amazing sequence from Roeg's INSIGNIFICANCE (1985) -- both musically and filmically?: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 5 hours ago, Thor said: I mean, how can you not like this amazing sequence from Roeg's INSIGNIFICANCE (1985) -- both musically and filmically?: I am not familiar with all his early work. But, as a synth guy, he comes off as a 2nd rate Jan Hammer/ Vangelis . He started finding his voice with his films set in South Africa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 Whereas nowadays, he comes off as a 2nd 3rd rate John Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 How do you put someone one ignore?. TSMefford 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 16 hours ago, gkgyver said: Whereas nowadays, he comes off as a 2nd 3rd rate John Williams. Who, Zimmer? I'm losing track of all the names in this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 21 minutes ago, Nick Parker said: I'm losing track of all the names in this thread. I'm deleting/ ignoring them- one at a time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kühni 485 Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 Between The Blue Planet II, Planet Earth II and Seven Worlds - One Planet...which should I be going after? Which is the one with the most HanZ content...and which is the most unique that it might overcome my dislike on principle that Fenton hasn't been retained? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 On 6/28/2020 at 8:12 PM, bruce marshall said: How do you put someone one ignore?. I suppose you could ask several people here that have done it, but that might be tricky for you. bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted July 14, 2020 Author Share Posted July 14, 2020 6 hours ago, Kühni said: Between The Blue Planet II, Planet Earth II and Seven Worlds - One Planet...which should I be going after? Which is the one with the most HanZ content...and which is the most unique that it might overcome my dislike on principle that Fenton hasn't been retained? None of them really have any music by Zimmer, apart from the main theme. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,054 Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 10 minutes ago, Koray Savas said: None of them really have any music by Zimmer, apart from the main theme. Not surprised! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,492 Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 They were never supposed to be Zimmer works in the first place. I believe the first of these was with the Bleeding Fingers group that Zimmer helped establish through that competition a few years ago. For these things, his role is more of a facilitator -- adding his name and theme to add extra exposure. I think it's a very laudable enterprise, and perfectly in line with his desire to push new talents out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,683 Posted July 14, 2020 Share Posted July 14, 2020 Not Zimmer, but in the same spirit, I'm a bit more keen on Balfe's Fallout score than I was before, having received the BD isolated score, and seeing the film really helps. Now this isn't an about-turn; large sections of the score are still rather dull and don't separate from the film well, but four sections really did jump out at me: - The foot chase in London - The skydive and merge into the party music. - The exchange sequence and chase through Paris - The helicopter sequence (the early parts anyway). The 'briefing' scene at the start also has its moments when you can hear it without the voiceover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 The conversation around The Da Vinci Code in the other thread brought me back to to my natal Zimmer fandom days. I think a big draw for me were the themes. These simple, modal tunes had just enough melodrama for it to be both sweepingly epic and bracingly intimate at once. All enough to often reduce my teenage self to tears. In lesser hands, they could come off as naive and crude. But his knack for sound and production have always allowed them to soar. He moved away from writing like that a long time ago, but an old favourite currently on my mind is Beyond Rangoon: Anyone else know what I'm talking about? Any nostalgic favourites to share? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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