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36 minutes ago, Edmilson said:

Yeah, it's my favorite Zimmer score since Interstellar. It worked great in the movie.

Nothing works great in the movie. The score is way too good for that crap, I've felt all along the movie that it didn't had its place there.

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38 minutes ago, Mephariel said:

Agreed my favorite since Interstellar as well. Although I think Hidden Figures is highly underrated (understandably that is not really a Zimmer score with Williams and Wallfisch on the cover too) and The Lion King remake is great if you can look past the fact that the score is a basically a remake too.

I've only heard Hidden Figures once, and I thought it was okay. Need to revisit it soon.

 

The score for the Lion King remake was as great in 2019 as it was in 1994, lol.

24 minutes ago, Raiders of the SoundtrArk said:

Nothing works great in the movie. The score is way too good for that crap, I've felt all along the movie that it didn't had its place there.

Yeah, the score is much better than that movie  deserves. Zimmer tells the story through his music better than the screenwriters.

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HIDDEN FIGUREZ is great.

Perfect example of Hans skill at collaboration

 

 

I didn't appreciate either Interstellar or WW until I heard the cds. Probably because neither film engaged me.on first watch

 

 

Btw Thor complained it didn't have the ' analog synth sound"

 

Check out " Monkey Paw"

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8 minutes ago, bruce marshall said:

HIDDEN FIGUREZ is great.

Perfect example of Hans skill at collaboration

 

I think what gets me about this score is that one: we don't have that many gospel scores out there these days, so the personality is unique, and two: you don't see drama movies in Hollywood score this way anymore. 

 

Listen to this. The music is not epic, but the ending is euphoric nonetheless. 

 

 

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WW84 took the complete for me to truly appreciate. From the development of some of the motifs to just the way the score transitions from the idealistic sounds of the period to the more grounded feel the latter half has, it just has a lot more breathing room for it to truly shine.

 

I will say that the Sketches album was a bit of disappointment, given how much more rudimentary and half baked it somewhat felt compared to something like Xperiments. Certainly more demolike than I was expecting in areas, given how polished Zimmer's past couple of suites have sounded. Despite that, I'd be happy to listen to the full thing again, given there's still plenty of good moments to warrant a recommendation anyway.

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Two disc? Wasn't the regular OST split like that for the CD release? I have no idea what the 1 disc set would even look like.

 

In any case, I'm not really the best guy for that sort of thing, given it's a score by score basis on if I feel a condensed or C&C presentation works best for the material. In this case, given how much I've praised the complete and was mixed on the album, I'd be far more likely to talk about stuff they should've kept on the official release instead of highlighting what's already there.

 

That being said, a custom OST/playlist and/or custom suites would be fun to try out here. I wouldn't know where to go with it, but there's enough stuff to where I could feasibly make a solid presentation that is more attuned to what I like about the score.

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Since yesterday was the day when The Amazing Spider-Man 2 released back in 2014, I decided to give the complete score a listen to commemorate a movie that I don't hate in spite of being such an obvious corporate product.

What continues to impress me about the score is how little it feels like a standard Zimmer effort in a lot of areas. Things like the Osborn material give way to some of his normal characteristics, but it otherwise fully embraces the collaborative nature that it advertises itself as. There's enough variety to where even if you don't like the overall result, there's likely parts that stick with you. In a lot of ways, prior to WW84, TASM2 seems like HZ's attempt to try and make his own spin on a classic superhero score, with prior and subsequent capeshit scores playing more to his regular sensibilities.

I've only heard the OST one or two times in total, but it's not a bad presentation of the score. It's still ultimately missing a few cues that help form the character of the music, and some of the versions of the tracks that are on there pale compared to the ones in the leak. It doesn't help that it's not a particularly well developed enough score to where there's enough variations in the repeats of some ideas to justify its whole length, so a condensed playlist picking out the best moments might be the way to go.

I'm not sure if this is that great of score, especially since it doesn't rank too high in my list of Spidey scores. But it's so infectious and fun that I can't really dislike it very much. I honestly do prefer Zimmer in his "no fucks given" mode, where he does whatever he feels like will make his project stand out. It doesn't always pan out, but it does provide underrated gems like these.

This track, for as cheesy as the lyrics and vocals are, best represents what I enjoy about the score:

 

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It's a decent score, but it needs to be whittled down. Curiously, I can find neither the album nor the playlist I made in my collection. Probably one the casualties of my harddisk crash a couple of years ago.

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I hate when I lose a whittled playlist.

Many of my CD programs were stored in the memory of a player that died on me😰

Fortunately, some of  programs were written down also!

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I gotta be real and say the Electro Suite is the most enjoyable piece from Zimmer that I know of, I get a real kick out of it and the deft way that it incorporates all these disparate sound elements cohesively.

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BBC radio did a show on why/how sad songs and music affect us emotionally.

The host had to point out that this is from a perspective of " Western Music". 😒

Anyway, one piece they played , uncredited ,was from THIN RED LINE!

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I like the TASM2 score as well.  It came in a middle of a long stretch of me not really liking almost anything Zimmer did, but this one I somehow took an immediate liking to.  This is a good reminder that I need to listen to it again, it's been a long time

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I like some parts of it, and I think his theme is better than Horner's.

 

But the harsher electronic parts for Foxx's character just annoy me unfortunately. Which is weird, because I rather enjoy the Dark Phoenix OST.

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11 hours ago, Nick Parker said:

I gotta be real and say the Electro Suite is the most enjoyable piece from Zimmer that I know of, I get a real kick out of it and the deft way that it incorporates all these disparate sound elements cohesively.

 

While I always have never minded that side of the score, it can be easy for me to sometimes think a bit less of it with how much it heavily overshadows the rest of the music. It only makes like 1/5th of the whole thing, yet it's all people can point to when they describe TASM2 as a particularly appalling effort (that, or the "news cast" sounding main theme). Can't say I particularly fault them for it, with it even now being quite the odd choice, but it does color my perception of it a bit.

 

15 minutes ago, Richard Penna said:

I like some parts of it, and I think his theme is better than Horner's.

 

But the harsher electronic parts for Foxx's character just annoy me unfortunately. Which is weird, because I rather enjoy the Dark Phoenix OST.

 

Comparing the Horner and Zimmer themes always seemed amusing, given how much they practically are cut from the same cloth. Enough to where me and a friend speculated it likely was Marc Webb's choice for them to produce themes that were that close in composition, with how much he emphasized wanting a simple and recognizable theme in BTS stuff.

 

I like Dark Phoenix more as well, and that one works on the basis of making it more of its general sound (plus the more serious nature behind it). I will say that the Electro theme probably is a lot less ear fatiguing than anything Junkie puts on his solo work.

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20 minutes ago, Richard Penna said:

I like some parts of it, and I think his theme is better than Horner's.

 

But the harsher electronic parts for Foxx's character just annoy me unfortunately. Which is weird, because I rather enjoy the Dark Phoenix OST.

My opinion as well. I like a few cues, like the You're That Spider Guy which ends the movie, but I've never been a fan of Electro's theme, which I also find just annoying.

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10 hours ago, Edmilson said:

My opinion as well. I like a few cues, like the You're That Spider Guy which ends the movie, but I've never been a fan of Electro's theme, which I also find just annoying.

 

Same. I think the Electro theme is ok...not annoying, but very gimmicky. 

 

"You're That Spider Guy" and "Saving New York" are the two best themes in the series. Even better than anything Danny Elfman wrote except the main titles (which is my favorite superhero theme of all time maybe). 

 

And yes, I think Giacchino's theme is very pedestrian in comparison and his Spider-Mans scores are workman like.  

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I don't often listen to other people's podcasts, but I thought this was interesting - a new conversation between Alec Baldwin and Hans Zimmer. Among the interesting things coming out of it is that Zimmer wrote a rejected score for FULL METAL JACKET: 

 

https://www.iheart.com/podcast/heres-the-thing-23562128/episode/hans-zimmer-scores-81956152/

 

Although the "18 years old" thing seems like a joke. Zimmer was 30 in 1987.

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Really enjoyed the interview.

Wish there would have been more detail about his early days.

There's a gap in.his bio about working with THE BANGLES to getting involved in world music on A WORLD APART.

 

I love the bit about seeing OUTIW and, beeing  so excited by the music, he decided he  wanted to be a film composer.

Same thing happened to me after seeing GIU, LA TESTA!

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I'm attempting to put together a Zimmer playlist. Here's what I have so far. What else can you recommend?

 

End Titles from Driving Miss Daisy
Fighting 17th from Backdraft
This Land from The Lion King
Roll Tide from Crimson Tide
Hummell Gets The Rockets from The Rock

Journey To The Line from The Thin Red Line
The Might Of Rome / The Battle / Honor Him from Gladiator (Prague Philharmonic Re-recording)
Injection from Mission: Impossible 2
Leave No Man Behind from Black Hawk Down
Zoosters Breakout from Madagascar
Chevaliers De Sangreal from The Da Vinci Code
Jack Sparrow from Pirates Of The Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest
Drink Up Me Hearties Yo Ho from Pirates Of The Caribbean: At World's End
Maestro from The Holiday
Oogway Ascends from Kung Fu Panda
Like A Dog Chasing Cars from The Dark Knight
Watergate from Frost/Nixon
160 BPM from Angels And Demons
Discombobulate from Sherlock Holmes
Dream Is Collapsing from Inception
Mombasa from Inception
Time from Inception
What Are You Going To Do When You Are Not Saving The World? from Man Of Steel
Ride from The Lone Ranger
Lost But Won from Rush
Murph from Interstellar
No Time For Caution from Interstellar
Quantifiable Connection from Interstellar
Planet Earth II Suite
The Blue Planet from Blue Planet II
Seven Worlds One Planet Suite
Themyscira from Wonder Woman 1984
Games from Wonder Woman 1984

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It's a good playlist, Anthony, but you're missing something from his best score -- and IMO one the best scores of all time: BEYOND RANGOON. Try "I Dreamt I Woke Up", for example, for a track.

 

Otherwise, I would need some more parameters. What type of Zimmer are you looking for, exactly? Your list is heavy on the action stuff, but has a few calmer tracks interspersed.

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Thanks, guys.

 

Thor, I'm going for a playlist that's as entertaining as possible. Some of the more "dramatic" stuff may go - the The Thin Red Line and Black Hawk Down really slow the pace down (they're just too long and repetitive).

 

As you say, I've got a lot of the action/well known stuff, but I've only got what I already know. I'll happily consider anything that's considered a Zimmer essential or best-of!

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12 hours ago, Anthony said:

I'm attempting to put together a Zimmer playlist. Here's what I have so far. What else can you recommend?

 

End Titles from Driving Miss Daisy
Fighting 17th from Backdraft
This Land from The Lion King
Roll Tide from Crimson Tide
Hummell Gets The Rockets from The Rock

Journey To The Line from The Thin Red Line
The Might Of Rome / The Battle / Honor Him from Gladiator (Prague Philharmonic Re-recording)
Injection from Mission: Impossible 2
Leave No Man Behind from Black Hawk Down
Zoosters Breakout from Madagascar
Chevaliers De Sangreal from The Da Vinci Code
Jack Sparrow from Pirates Of The Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest
Drink Up Me Hearties Yo Ho from Pirates Of The Caribbean: At World's End
Maestro from The Holiday
Oogway Ascends from Kung Fu Panda
Like A Dog Chasing Cars from The Dark Knight
Watergate from Frost/Nixon
160 BPM from Angels And Demons
Discombobulate from Sherlock Holmes
Dream Is Collapsing from Inception
Mombasa from Inception
Time from Inception
What Are You Going To Do When You Are Not Saving The World? from Man Of Steel
Ride from The Lone Ranger
Lost But Won from Rush
Murph from Interstellar
No Time For Caution from Interstellar
Quantifiable Connection from Interstellar
Planet Earth II Suite
The Blue Planet from Blue Planet II
Seven Worlds One Planet Suite
Themyscira from Wonder Woman 1984
Games from Wonder Woman 1984

 

My Top 100 list. I felt like there is a lot I haven't listened to so the rankings changes often (along with recency bias). I would love for some recommendations. 

 

1.        “Time” – Inception

2.        “Chevalier de Sangreal” – The Da Vinci Code

3.        “Now We Are Free” – Gladiator

4.        “The Rightful King” – The Lion King

5.        “Show Me Your Firetruck” – Backdraft

6.        “Lost but Won” – Rush

7.        “Barbarian Horde” – Gladiator

8.        “Light” – The Thin Red Line

9.        “I Don't Think Now Is the Best Time” – Pirates of the Caribbean: At World’s End

10.       “Science and Religion” – Angels and Demons

11.       “Drink Me Up Hearties” – Pirates of the Caribbean: At World’s End

12.       “Themyscira” – Wonder Woman 1984

13.       “Stampede” – The Lion King (2019)

14.       “Roll Tide” – Crimson Tide

15.       “No Time For Caution” – Interstellar

16.       “We Are All Connected” – The Lion King

17.       “Games” – Wonder Woman 1984

18.       “Hummell Gets the Rockets” – The Rock

19.       “You're That Spider Guy” – The Amazing Spider-Man 2

20.       “Rockets Away” – The Rock

21.       “Like Dog Chasing Cars” – The Dark Knight  

22.       “1984” – Wonder Woman 1984

23.       “Mountains” – Interstellar

24.       “Day One’ – Interstellar

25.       “Under the Stars” – The Lion King

26.       “Run Free” – Spirit: Stallion of the Cimarron

27.       “The Chase” – The Rock

28.       “Truth” – Wonder Woman 1984

29.       “One Day” - Pirates of the Caribbean: At World’s End

30.       “The Blue Planet” – Blue Planet II

31.       “Hidden Figures” – Hidden Figures

32.       “Beyond Rangoon” – Beyond Rangoon

33.       “160 bpm” – Angels and Demons

34.       “Oogway’s Ascend” – Kung Fu Panda  

35.       “What Are You Going to Do When You Are Not Saving The World” – Man of Steel

36.       “Flight” – Man of Steel

37.       “End Titles” – Driving Miss Daisy

38.       “A Watchful Guardian” – The Dark Knight

39.       “A Way of Life” – The Last Samurai

40.       “Life Goes On” – A League of Their Own

41.       “The Burning Bush” – The Prince of Egypt

42.       “Leave No Man Behind” – Black Hawk Down

43.       "Maestro" – The Holiday

44.       “Honor” – The Pacific

45.       “Old Souls” – Inception

46.       “Journey to the Line” – The Thin Red Line

47.       “Waters of Irrawaddy” – Beyond Rangoon

48.       “Red Warrior” – The Last Samuarai

49.       “Race to Feed” – Blue Planet II

50.       “Air” – Angels and Demons

51.        “A Hard Teacher” – The Last Samurai

52.       “Already Gone” – Wonder Woman 1984

53.       “Homeland” – Spirit: Stallion of the Cimarron

54.       “Woad to Ruin” – King Arthur

55.       “Thunderbird” – Thelma & Louise

56.       “Steel in Our Veins” – Hillbilly Elegy

57.       “Tennessee” – Pearl Harbor

58.       “Earth” - Gladiator

59.       “Planet Earth II Suite” – Planet Earth II

60.       “Open Road” – Wonder Woman 1984

61.       “Jaded” – Kung Fu Panda 3

62.       “...And Then I Kissed Him” – Pearl Harbor

63.       “Wheel of Fortune” – Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man’s Chest

64.       “Beautiful Lie” – Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice

65.       “Hold the Ice” – King Arthur

66.       “The Might of Rome” - Gladiator

67.       “Is She With You? – Wonder Woman Theme” – Batman v Superman

68.       “Gap” – Dark Phoenix

69.       “You’re So Cool” – True Romance

70.       “Cornfield Chase” – Interstellar

71.       “Cold War” – The Amazing Spider-Man 2

72.       “Ride” – The Lone Ranger

73.       “The Battle” – Gladiator

74.       “Injection” – Mission: Impossible 2

75.       “Best Friends” – Madagascar

76.       “Surfing Dolphins” – Blue Planet II

77.       “X-SS” – Dark Phoenix: Xperiments

78.       “For God and for Country” – The Lone Ranger

79.       “Broken Arrow” – Broken Arrow

80.       “The Kraken” – Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man’s Chest

81.       “If You Love These People” – Man of Steel

82.       “The Outside is Temporary” – Chappie

83.       “Main Title” – Days of Thunder

84.       “Up is Down” – Pirates of the Caribbean: At World’s End

85.       “Rise” – The Dark Knight Rises

86.       “Bare Island” – Mission Impossible 2

87.       “Blade Runner” – Blade Runner 2049

88.       “Leaving Wallbrook/On the Road” – Rain Man

89.       “We Own The Sky” – Chappie

90.       “Simba Is Alive” – The Lion King (2019)

91.       “Zoosters Breakout” - Madagascar

92.       “Surfing Dolphins” – Planet Earth: A Celebration

93.       “Sons of Liberty Main Title Theme” – Sons of Liberty

94.       “I Chose You” – The Amazing Spider Man 2

95.       “Genius” - Genius

96.       “The Crown Main Title” – The Crown

97.       “Home” – The Lone Ranger

98.       “The Journey/Kopano Part III” – Tears of the Sun

99.       “Chase” – The Peacemaker

100.     “Mission Accomplished” – Mission Impossible 2

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12 hours ago, Anthony said:

Thanks, guys.

 

Thor, I'm going for a playlist that's as entertaining as possible. Some of the more "dramatic" stuff may go - the The Thin Red Line and Black Hawk Down really slow the pace down (they're just too long and repetitive).

 

I see. The INTERSTELLAR stuff needs to go too, then, I suppose, and things like "Time" from INCEPTION?

 

For 'entertaining' cues (however one defines that - in your case it seems to be more upbeat cues) that you're missing, you might also consider "Nick & Masa" from BLACK RAIN, "Main Theme" from DAYS OF THUNDER, "Main Title" from THELMA & LOUISE, "Hate" from POINT OF NO RETURN, "Wonders of the New World" from THE ROAD TO EL DORADO, "Canyon Chase" from SPIRIT: STALLION OF THE CIMARRON, "We Own the Sky" from CHAPPIE. 

 

Because I'm presumably older than you, my Zimmer taste veers towards his 80s and 90 stuff (Ok, early 2000s too), and the broader and slower more than the action.

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Thor and Mephariel - thank you! :music:

 

3 hours ago, Thor said:

 

The INTERSTELLAR stuff needs to go too, then, I suppose, and things like "Time" from INCEPTION?

 

No way - these are far more interesting. :D

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This is what I ended up with. Didn't realise there would be this much Zimmer I'd actually enjoy. :music:

 

01. End Titles from Driving Miss Daisy (4:57) Prague Philharmonic Re-recording
02. Fighting 17th from Backdraft (4:37) Prague Philharmonic Re-recording
03. You’re So Cool (Main Title) from True Romance (2:32)
04. This Land from The Lion King (2:58) Prague Philharmonic Re-recording
05. Roll Tide from Crimson Tide (4:08) Prague Philharmonic Re-recording
06. Waters Of Irrawaddy from Beyond Rangoon (3:49)
07. Hummell Gets The Rockets from The Rock (5:08) Prague Philharmonic Re-recording
08. Journey To The Line from The Thin Red Line (8:03)
09. The Might Of Rome / The Battle / Honor Him from Gladiator (7:18) Prague Philharmonic Re-recording
10. Tennessee from Pearl Harbor (3:41)
11. Injection from Mission: Impossible 2 (4:53) Prague Philharmonic Re-recording
12. Safe Passage from The Last Samurai (2:26)
13. Prologue from King Arthur (5:37)
14. Woad To Ruin from King Arthur (2:10)
15. Spanglish (2:48)
16. Zoosters Breakout from Madagascar (1:42)
17. Chevaliers De Sangreal from The Da Vinci Code (4:09)
18. Jack Sparrow from Pirates Of The Caribbean: Dead Man’s Chese (6:07)
19. Drink Up Me Hearties from Pirates Of The Caribbean: At World’s End (4:33)
20. Maestro from The Holiday (3:55)
21. Oogway Ascends from Kung Fu Panda (2:04)
22. Like A Dog Chasing Cars from The Dark Knight (5:03)
23. No Stone Unturned from The Dark Knight Rises (1:55)
24. Watergate from Frost/Nixon (4:27)
25. 160BPM from Angels And Demons (6:44)
26. Discombobulate from Sherlock Holmes (2:29)
27. Honor (Main Title Theme) from The Pacific (2:59)
28. Half Remembered Dream from Inception (:47)
29. Mombasa from Inception (4:57)
30. Time from Inception (4:37)
31. Dream Is Collapsing from Inception (2:27)
32. What Are You Going To Do When You Are Not Saving The World? from Man Of Steel (5:27)
33. Ride from The Lone Ranger (4:20)
34. Lost But Won from Rush (6:18)
35. Day One from Interstellar (3:20)
36. Murph from Interstellar (6:02)
37. Quantifiable Connection from Interstellar (5:45)
38. Sons Of Liberty Main Title Theme (3:53)
39. The Crown Main Title (1:26)
40. Planet Earth II Suite (4:31)
41. The Blue Planet from Blue Planet II (3:20)
42. Seven Worlds One Planet Suite (5:04)
43. Surfing Dolphins from Planet Earth: A Celebration (2:25)
44. Steel In Our Veins from Hillbilly Elegy (4:37)
45. Themyscira from Wonder Woman 1984 (3:51)
46. Games from Wonder Woman 1984 (5:20)

3:09:12

 

Thank you very much for your suggestions. :)

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Been revisiting this one lately. I have a soft spot for it. Not Zimmers best work. But it’s earnest “2001 Zimmer” He apparently labored over the main theme for quite some time. 
 

I love this action variation on the brothers theme here in “Fighting Back”I remember being disappointed it wasn’t on the (very short) OST back in the day. 

 

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4 hours ago, WampaRat said:

Been revisiting this one lately. I have a soft spot for it. Not Zimmers best work. But it’s earnest “2001 Zimmer” He apparently labored over the main theme for quite some time. 

 

It works fine on album, but I've never liked it in the film. Often too overwrought and rhetorical, trying to enhance a vapid love story that isn't really there. Zimmer is no big fan of it either. But good to know it has its fans.

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Yeah I’m not sure what it is. The love/main theme as heard in “Tennessee” and elsewhere in the score always seems to stick out (in a bad way) from the surrounding dramatic/action material. Like the love story in the film itself. 
 

Perhaps it’s the instrumentation? It’s just a bit too light if that makes any sense. It’s a pretty piece of music. But probably not the right one for this story. I do really love the film version of the opening titles btw. 
 

 

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10 hours ago, Mephariel said:

Pearl Harbor is a great score. And I am not sure that Zimmer hates it. He included it in his World of Hans Zimmer concert which he curated.

 

"Hate" is perhaps a strong word, but he's gone on record in interviews about his misgivings about it.

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5 hours ago, Thor said:

 

"Hate" is perhaps a strong word, but he's gone on record in interviews about his misgivings about it.

Why he doesn't like the score?

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4 hours ago, Edmilson said:

The finale of The Dark Knight is one of the best scored scenes by Zimmer. 

 

 

It's a great example of a typical RC/Zimmer score that works really well with the movie (and it's great to hear it as well).

 

One of the all time greatest endings. We can debate Nolan's techniques and his filmmaking prowess, but there is no doubt he has some of the best endings. Here are Inception's and Interstellar's endings. Along with The Dark Knight, the 3 most memorable endings in recent history and 3 of the best scored ones as well. 

 

 

 

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