Henry B 50 Posted July 25, 2008 Share Posted July 25, 2008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,790 Posted July 25, 2008 Share Posted July 25, 2008 yes it's not related with TDK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted July 25, 2008 Share Posted July 25, 2008 Oh my God, Luke. Are you serious? You're like the Joseph McCarthy of anti-George Lucasism. I was "yawning" because I don't care about a fancy looking DVD case, not because I hate all things Indiana Jones related. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted July 25, 2008 Share Posted July 25, 2008 A limited case for 4 DVDs:clickBut there's 5 Indy DVDs, with the Bonus Features DVD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted July 25, 2008 Share Posted July 25, 2008 Oh my God, Luke. Are you serious? You're like the Joseph McCarthy of anti-George Lucasism. I was "yawning" because I don't care about a fancy looking DVD case, not because I hate all things Indiana Jones related."Are you, or have you ever been, a member of WETA?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,615 Posted July 26, 2008 Share Posted July 26, 2008 I don't want the DVD ,i only want the skull thingy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,053 Posted July 26, 2008 Share Posted July 26, 2008 Oh my God, Luke. Are you serious? You're like the Joseph McCarthy of anti-George Lucasism. I was "yawning" because I don't care about a fancy looking DVD case, not because I hate all things Indiana Jones related."Are you, are have you ever been, a member of WETA?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,790 Posted July 26, 2008 Share Posted July 26, 2008 Plenty of the employers in WETA are from ILM And viceversa.SFX technicians have become something like prostitutes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 26, 2008 Share Posted July 26, 2008 "50 for a CGI blowjob , 35 for a go-motion one." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,790 Posted July 27, 2008 Share Posted July 27, 2008 She looks like the (human) Waitress at Dex Dinner.I wonder if Obi-Wan's Celibate was strict or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 27, 2008 Share Posted July 27, 2008 If you treat her well, she'll give you free rotoscoping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted July 27, 2008 Share Posted July 27, 2008 Why not go the old fashioned way and draw a matte painting of her? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,790 Posted July 27, 2008 Share Posted July 27, 2008 matte paintings are like inflatable dolls. Static.Man we are destroying this thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,790 Posted July 27, 2008 Share Posted July 27, 2008 Hold on on your butts or hats:Lucas is also considering what to do about the fifth instalment in the Indiana Jones franchise, which he has produced from the outset. The most recent film, Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, has taken almost $750m (£375m) at the international box office, and the whip-snapping archeologist remains in high demand, even though his own days as a whippersnapper are behind him (Harrison Ford is two years older than Lucas).“We were hoping for box-office figures like that, which is, ultimately, with inflation, what the others have done, within 10%,” Lucas explains. “So, we squeaked up there. Really, though, it was a challenge getting the story together and getting everybody to agree on it. Indiana Jones only becomes complicated when you have another two people saying ‘I want it this way’ and ‘I want it that way’, whereas, when I first did Jones, I just said, ‘We’ll do it this way’ — and that was much easier. But now I have to accommodate everybody, because they are all big, successful guys, too, so it’s a little hard on a practical level.“If I can come up with another idea that they like, we’ll do another. Really, with the last one, Steven wasn’t that enthusiastic. I was trying to persuade him. But now Steve is more amenable to doing another one. Yet we still have the issues about the direction we’d like to take. I’m in the future; Steven’s in the past. He’s trying to drag it back to the way they were, I’m trying to push it to a whole different place. So, still we have a sort of tension. This recent one came out of that. It’s kind of a hybrid of our own two ideas, so we’ll see where we are able to take the next one.”SourceI'm dissapointed with Lucas as he is trying to change the core of Indiana Jones.At least, I liked the last one.It seems i'm not buying the upcoming Indy-DVD Package...again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted July 27, 2008 Share Posted July 27, 2008 "If I can come up with another idea that they like, we'll do another. Really, with the last one, Steven wasn't that enthusiastic. I was trying to persuade him. But now Steve is more amenable to doing another one. Yet we still have the issues about the direction we'd like to take. I'm in the future; Steven's in the past. He's trying to drag it back to the way they were, I'm trying to push it to a whole different place. So, still we have a sort of tension. This recent one came out of that. It's kind of a hybrid of our own two ideas, so we'll see where we are able to take the next one."Haha, this explains a lot. Too bad Lucas's idea of the "future" is horrible plots and bad, overused CGI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,615 Posted July 27, 2008 Share Posted July 27, 2008 I wonder who was responsible for the snake pit sequence .Without it the movie gains one star Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted July 27, 2008 Share Posted July 27, 2008 It smells of Lucas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted July 27, 2008 Share Posted July 27, 2008 "If I can come up with another idea that they like, we’ll do another. Really, with the last one, Steven wasn’t that enthusiastic. I was trying to persuade him. But now Steve is more amenable to doing another one. Yet we still have the issues about the direction we’d like to take. I’m in the future; Steven’s in the past. He’s trying to drag it back to the way they were, I’m trying to push it to a whole different place. So, still we have a sort of tension. This recent one came out of that. It’s kind of a hybrid of our own two ideas, so we’ll see where we are able to take the next one.”Wow. If I didn't already despise Lucas, I f*cking do now. Sorry for ever doubting you Steve, I should have known not to.the snake pit sequence .Without it the movie gains one starLoose the fencing sequence and Tarzan and I agree.The snake sequence could've been a highlight, if it wasn't for the dire dialogue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted July 27, 2008 Share Posted July 27, 2008 I wish so bad that Spielberg has his way, if another Indy film comes up. And that's coming from a HUGE Lucas admirer and Indy 4 fan. I wonder if there's anybody we can send e-mails to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,053 Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 They might have to re-cast IJ's son:http://movies.yahoo.com/mv/news/ap/2008072...1719936000.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 They might have to re-cast IJ's son:http://movies.yahoo.com/mv/news/ap/2008072...1719936000.htmlThat really is a shame, Shia always seemed like one of the few child actors these days that was, for the most part, safe and good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinaismine 64 Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 Maybe in Indy 5 we'll see Shia's scars get explained in 'Mutt's Very First Adventure'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 In tribute to how Mark Hamill's car crash injuries were explained, he'll be attacked by a polar bear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 See, that's the kind of thing Lucas would actually want to put in the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 “If I can come up with another idea that they like, we’ll do another. Really, with the last one, Steven wasn’t that enthusiastic. I was trying to persuade him. But now Steve is more amenable to doing another one. Yet we still have the issues about the direction we’d like to take. I’m in the future; Steven’s in the past. He’s trying to drag it back to the way they were, I’m trying to push it to a whole different place. So, still we have a sort of tension. This recent one came out of that. It’s kind of a hybrid of our own two ideas, so we’ll see where we are able to take the next one.”Judging from these quotes, Lucas wants really to go prequel-style for Indy as well, but I'm pretty confident Ford and Spielberg don't see exactly the same way as their fellow. It's more likely in the end Lucas will produce a TV series à là Young Indy with Mutt as the main character.However, Lucas is saying it all: Spielberg did Indy 4 just for the fun of doing an adventure romp in the style of the older films, while he had different views about the film. I guess they now have incompatible point of views about the character and the style to adopt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,053 Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 the snake pit sequence .Without it the movie gains one starLoose the fencing sequence and Tarzan and I agree.The snake sequence could've been a highlight, if it wasn't for the dire dialogue.Don't forget the fridge scene...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted July 28, 2008 Author Share Posted July 28, 2008 You know, I actually didn't mind the fridge bit. Gave me a good laugh. I still had enough goodwill for the film at that point to go along for the ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 Ditto. I like the snake pit too. Morlock- who can't believe this thread is still alive and well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,053 Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 I wish I felt that way but the sight of a CGI fridge flying thru the air just ruined it for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 I was still in the frame of mind of the eerie fake suburbia. It was over before I could think how moronic it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,053 Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 I was taken out of the film when Ford first appeared on screen because he looked and sounded so old and tired when he delivered his first few lines. So it was impossible for me to believe he was running and climbing up close to the roof of the wharehouse.At least the fake suburbia was something the govt. actually did during their nuclear testing phases. That brought the film back to some sense of "reality", although the mushroom cloud washed away the sillyness of that fridge scene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 the mushroom cloud was a very cool little scene.I wish someone would make a nuclear holocaust movie, one for this age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,790 Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 i liked the snake pit sequence.Monkeys et al. ...e er... Its not really that Lucas wanted to go overused CGI-Prequel style.I think he just wanted to make the movie with nowadays effects, while Spielberg wanted to make the old style effects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delorean90 42 Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 I still say that the vine-swinging/monkeys bit could have been more tolerable at the least had they used more practical effects. For me, I didn't have any problem with the idea of Mutt swinging around. It's just that he was so clearly not, and against a so-clearly CG background, that it felt kinda lame. It would not have taken much effort to, if nothing else, build a set for the jungle canopy, let him actually take a swing or two, and fill in the gaps with CG. If you want to make it even just a little better, when Spalko throws the monkey, don't follow it down the cliff. I'm not quite sure why people are so disgusted with the idea of the monkeys. What's so ridiculous about a bunch of monkeys getting riled up by a human and chasing/following him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 Hold on on your butts or hats:Lucas is also considering what to do about the fifth instalment in the Indiana Jones franchise, which he has produced from the outset. The most recent film, Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, has taken almost $750m (£375m) at the international box office, and the whip-snapping archeologist remains in high demand, even though his own days as a whippersnapper are behind him (Harrison Ford is two years older than Lucas).“We were hoping for box-office figures like that, which is, ultimately, with inflation, what the others have done, within 10%,” Lucas explains. “So, we squeaked up there. Really, though, it was a challenge getting the story together and getting everybody to agree on it. Indiana Jones only becomes complicated when you have another two people saying ‘I want it this way’ and ‘I want it that way’, whereas, when I first did Jones, I just said, ‘We’ll do it this way’ — and that was much easier. But now I have to accommodate everybody, because they are all big, successful guys, too, so it’s a little hard on a practical level.“If I can come up with another idea that they like, we’ll do another. Really, with the last one, Steven wasn’t that enthusiastic. I was trying to persuade him. But now Steve is more amenable to doing another one. Yet we still have the issues about the direction we’d like to take. I’m in the future; Steven’s in the past. He’s trying to drag it back to the way they were, I’m trying to push it to a whole different place. So, still we have a sort of tension. This recent one came out of that. It’s kind of a hybrid of our own two ideas, so we’ll see where we are able to take the next one.”SourceI'm dissapointed with Lucas as he is trying to change the core of Indiana Jones.At least, I liked the last one.It seems i'm not buying the upcoming Indy-DVD Package...again Wow....he's really trying to maintain the public perception of himself. Admirable, sticking to one's guns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 I have no problems with the frigde/swinging monkey scenes, except that Indy would have been killed by radiation from the bomb once he stepped out of the fridge. Still, I'm willling to ignore that in an IJ film.Oh, and they wanted to use real monkeys for part of the monkey scene, but they weren't allowed to bring any animals to Hawaii, where it was shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 I think that the swinging monkeys scene was horrendous, and made even worse by the score. The variation on the Indy theme (inverted?) underlining this terrible terrible moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,790 Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 I still say that the vine-swinging/monkeys bit could have been more tolerable at the least had they used more practical effects. For me, I didn't have any problem with the idea of Mutt swinging around. It's just that he was so clearly not, and against a so-clearly CG background, that it felt kinda lame. It would not have taken much effort to, if nothing else, build a set for the jungle canopy, let him actually take a swing or two, and fill in the gaps with CG.There was not a CGI Shia, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 Hold on on your butts or hats:That pretty much confirms my suspicions. Lucas insisted on aliens, but both Steven and Harrison didn't much like the idea and neither do I. Hopefully if another Indiana Jones film is made, Steven and Harrison will have more of a say. I think that they do have the right ideas about things, but indeed Lucas seems to be getting somewhat lost. And that's coming from someone who did like the Star Wars prequels and Indy IV to a fair extent! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 I liked the snake pit sequence as well. The worst two bits for me were the fridge and Tarzan, but neither were bad enough to destroy the whole movie for me, I still like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 I liked Indy 4 when I saw it in the theater, but the more I've been thinking about it... it's as bad as the prequels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delorean90 42 Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 Are you serious? Say what you will about KOTCS, it certainly did not get to near the level of continuity and character botching of the prequels. I still say that the vine-swinging/monkeys bit could have been more tolerable at the least had they used more practical effects. For me, I didn't have any problem with the idea of Mutt swinging around. It's just that he was so clearly not, and against a so-clearly CG background, that it felt kinda lame. It would not have taken much effort to, if nothing else, build a set for the jungle canopy, let him actually take a swing or two, and fill in the gaps with CG.There was not a CGI Shia, though.No, there wasn't, to their credit. The rest of it is bad enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurgaFlippinMan 7 Posted July 29, 2008 Share Posted July 29, 2008 You know, I actually didn't mind the fridge bit. Gave me a good laugh. I still had enough goodwill for the film at that point to go along for the ride.It was a hoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted July 29, 2008 Share Posted July 29, 2008 I wonder who was responsible for the snake pit sequence .Without it the movie gains one starWhat's wrong with the snake pit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted July 29, 2008 Share Posted July 29, 2008 Which scene is the snake pit? Is it where Indy falls in the quick sand? I don't even remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted July 29, 2008 Share Posted July 29, 2008 Yeah, the quicksand scene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted July 29, 2008 Share Posted July 29, 2008 I wonder who was responsible for the snake pit sequence .Without it the movie gains one starWhat's wrong with the snake pit?Indy's annoying, pedantic dialogue. ("Actually, it's not quicksand..."). The music's total failure to convey a feeling of sinking. The absurdity of using a snake as a rope when any branch or vine would have been more effective. Indy telling Oxley to get help. Just the fact that Marion named her son "Henry." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted July 29, 2008 Share Posted July 29, 2008 Indy's annoying, pedantic dialogue. ("Actually, it's not quicksand...").That was hilarious.The music's total failure to convey a feeling of sinking. Music is supposed to capture the mood and emotion of a scene. The mood of that scene was a comic one, which was reflected in the music.The absurdity of using a snake as a rope when any branch or vine would have been more effective.Okay, I'll agree with you there. But the part with the snake was still damn funny.Indy telling Oxley to get help.That was rather predictable, but nothing too far fetched. It was a big mess up on Indy's part, I think it would have been better if the Russians just found them without Oxley's help.Just the fact that Marion named her son "Henry." Huh....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted July 29, 2008 Share Posted July 29, 2008 What kind of tool names her son after the man who ran out on her? Granted, this is an issue I have with the pathetic love story, not the snake pit scene so much.And I didn't feel any rising tension in the music as Indy and Marion sunk. Okay, it doesn't have to literally represent sinking, but it shouldn't sound like a light chase scene. In fact, it sounds a lot like "Basket Chase."Indy's annoying, pedantic dialogue. ("Actually, it's not quicksand...").That was hilarious.Well, I have to disagree. Nobody goes on academic rants when they're on the verge of death, especially Indiana Jones. Maybe the line would have been tolerable if Ford's delivery had been believable, but his calm, professorial demeanor kills it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QMM 4 Posted July 29, 2008 Share Posted July 29, 2008 the mushroom cloud was a very cool little scene.I wish someone would make a nuclear holocaust movie, one for this age.Cormac McCarthy's The Road is getting made into a movie right now.Not necessarily about nuclear holocaust, but the repercussions are certainly visible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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