Indiana Jones Unreleased Music Resource

[Presto 4,290]

Would there be anything other than stereo anyway?

[crumbs 13,547]

3 minutes ago, Permanent Waves said:

Would there be anything other than stereo anyway?

 

If they transferred the multi-tracks and remixed the scores into 7.1, absolutely.

[Laserschwert 371]

I'm not sure if this fits this thread, but the FM-Towns version of Lucasfilm Games' "Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade" featured that weird re-recording of the soundtrack, played by a smaller ensemble:
 

 

[Jay 33,712]

It's been discussed before on JWFan, sure, but it's definitely not something too many people know about so is worth bringing up!

[ThePenitentMan1 397]

On 05/07/2022 at 8:15 AM, Laserschwert said:

I'm not sure if this fits this thread, but the FM-Towns version of Lucasfilm Games' "Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade" featured that weird re-recording of the soundtrack, played by a smaller ensemble:
 

 

 

Some of these seem like cue splits that we'd later dicover would turn out to be authentic (Scherzo's discrete intro, for instance).

 

Is it possible that the split for the boat chase (In the video, it'd be 7:13 Escape From Venice and 22:16 Canyon Of The Crescent Moon) is also authentic?

[Jay 33,712]

Very likely, yes!

[King Mark 3,411]

weird  I dont remember this.

 

K.M,Who bets Jay will find a thread where I commented on it

[BrotherSound 2,078]

On 08/07/2022 at 11:49 AM, ThePenitentMan1 said:

Some of these seem like cue splits that we'd later dicover would turn out to be authentic (Scherzo's discrete intro, for instance).

Yep, this is apparently where the scherzo was originally intended to begin, with the motorcycle bursting out of the crate, until an insert was written to add the new introduction. And this abbreviated version of Indy’s Very First Adventure begins right where we now know 1M3 Away We Go! begins.

 

On 08/07/2022 at 11:49 AM, ThePenitentMan1 said:

Is it possible that the split for the boat chase (In the video, it'd be 7:13 Escape From Venice

I’d known Escape from Venice was two cues (5M3 To The Boats and 5M4, title still unknown) thanks to GEMA, not counting a very brief introductory insert, and I’d suspected this is where the cues were split, but this seems to confirm it. It makes sense to split where there’s a sudden change in tempo like this, especially when using a click.

 

SF5813 To The Boats - Intro

SF5814 Escape from Venice Part 1

SF5815 Escape from Venice Part 2

[Luke Skywalker 1,622]

To the boats intro must be the alternate intro insert in the film version.

[BrotherSound 2,078]

2 hours ago, Luke Skywalker said:

To the boats intro must be the alternate intro insert in the film version.

Yep, all two bars of it!

 

[WampaRat 1,101]

These are over in the “custom covers” thread. I didn’t see a “general Indiana Jones thread” but thought they might be appreciated here. I created these from Tony Stella’s gorgeous watercolor artwork. (He hasn’t painted one for Crystal skull yet) I love the old dime-novel feel of these.

[thx99 1,621]

Great work, @WampaRat!!

 

One issue:  "TEMPLE" is misspelled.

[Bellosh 2,713]

@WampaRat

 

LOVE THESE!!!

[WampaRat 1,101]

45 minutes ago, thx99 said:

Great work, @WampaRat!!

 

One issue:  "TEMPLE" is misspelled.

Oh too funny! That’s on his Original artwork lol 😁 I suppose I should correct it 

[thx99 1,621]

35 minutes ago, WampaRat said:

Oh too funny! That’s on his Original artwork lol 😁 I suppose I should correct it

 

Looks to be this font:  https://www.ffonts.net/Cambridge-Medium.font

[WampaRat 1,101]

Fixed!

[Bespin 7,566]

No need to get the fonts, just copy and paste the letters!

[WampaRat 1,101]

3 minutes ago, Bespin said:

No need to get the fonts, just copy and paste the letters!

That’s exactly what I did haha. 

[thx99 1,621]

8 minutes ago, Bespin said:

No need to get the fonts, just copy and paste the letters!

 

Sure, but having the font to replace the whole "TEMPLE OF DOOM" portion might have resulted in a cleaner result.

[Drew 571]

On 05/07/2022 at 11:15 AM, Laserschwert said:

I'm not sure if this fits this thread, but the FM-Towns version of Lucasfilm Games' "Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade" featured that weird re-recording of the soundtrack, played by a smaller ensemble:
 

 

 

These arrangers must have had access to the sheet music. No way they could transcribe "On the Tank" by ear from a VHS containing dialogue and SFX.

[Jay 33,712]

Almost every cue included in that LucasArts re-recording are the same cues missing from the common sheet music leak, strangely enough

 

Coincidence?

 

I have no idea.

[Drew 571]

They must have never given back the sheet music...

[ThePenitentMan1 397]

4 hours ago, Drew said:

 

These arrangers must have had access to the sheet music. No way they could transcribe "On the Tank" by ear from a VHS containing dialogue and SFX.

It's actually the last cue of the tank chase, which was released as the last half of the OST track Belly Of The Steel Beast.

 

While this cue could very well have been called On The Tank as well, I wouldn't take the track titles in this video at face value, as there are many tracks with mismatched titles.  (X Marks The Spot and Ah Rats, for instance)

[Drew 571]

Is everything heard on that video part of the original 1989 soundtrack album? I'm guessing not because the Scherzo/Motorcycle cue(s) has an extra measure or two. And Ah Rats uses a different cue.

[enderdrag64 475]

6 hours ago, Jay said:

Almost every cue included in that LucasArts re-recording are the same cues missing from the common sheet music leak, strangely enough

common sheet music leak?

[Jay 33,712]

10 hours ago, Drew said:

Is everything heard on that video part of the original 1989 soundtrack album? I'm guessing not because the Scherzo/Motorcycle cue(s) has an extra measure or two. And Ah Rats uses a different cue.

 

Everything in the FM Towns re-recording are cues that appear in the OST, though that final Raiders March arrangement is unique I suppose

 

9 hours ago, enderdrag64 said:

common sheet music leak?

 

Yea

[enderdrag64 475]

so there's a less common one that's more complete?

[Jay 33,712]

Not that I know of 

[BrotherSound 2,078]

On 5/7/2022 at 11:15 AM, Laserschwert said:

I'm not sure if this fits this thread, but the FM-Towns version of Lucasfilm Games' "Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade" featured that weird re-recording of the soundtrack, played by a smaller ensemble:
 

 

I believe @Drew first noticed this, but @Jay, check it out: every cue re-recorded here is missing from the sheet music leak of TLC. Was this recording what happened to those full scores?

 

Never mind, @Jay pointed this out Friday and I overlooked it.
 

Indy’s Very First Adventures 1M3

X Marks The Spot 3M4

Ah, Rats!!! 4M1 (weirdly, not 4M3/5M1)

Escape From Venice 5M3

Castle Brunwald 7M3 New Start

Alarm! 1M1 (also weirdly)

Scherzo for Motorcycle and Orchestra 7M3

Keeping Up With The Joneses 9M2

On the Tank 11M2 (not 10M3/11M1, as the name implies)

Belly of the Steel Beast 10M2

The Canyon of the Crescent Moon 5M4 (not 11M4/12M1)

The Penitent Man Will Pass 13M1

The Keeper of the Grail 13M2

 

Now, there’s also a few cues missing that aren’t part of this recording (namely 1M2, 1M4/2M1, and 11M3) but maybe they were also pulled for it. They’re all part of sequences that include these other cues.

[Manakin Skywalker 4,383]

Quick, somebody contact Japan!

[Jay 33,712]

10 hours ago, BrotherSound said:

I believe @Drew first noticed this, but @Jay, check it out: every cue re-recorded here is missing from the sheet music leak of TLC.

 

On 05/08/2022 at 5:09 PM, Jay said:

Almost every cue included in that LucasArts re-recording are the same cues missing from the common sheet music leak, strangely enough

 

Coincidence?

 

I have no idea.

 

[crumbs 13,547]

Not hard to see how Lucasfilm lost so many important elements over the years.

[enderdrag64 475]

13 minutes ago, crumbs said:

Not hard to see how Lucasfilm lost so many important elements over the years.

One of my favorite ever posts on this forum is the one in the Star Wars 2018 Remasters thread where someone posted that clip of Ben Burtt melting a sound effects reel and captioned it "whoops there goes the ESB tapes"

 

That had me in tears laughing - although it really isn't funny Lucasfilm should be taking much better care of their library

[crumbs 13,547]

We don't even know if the TLC multitracks were found after they were last seen stored in Ben Burtt's office. Complete lunacy. 

 

And all the stories about missing tapes for Star Wars send a shiver up the spine. 

[Bellosh 2,713]

Does anyone know why we got the alternate/non film version of the map/out of fuel cue in ToD?

 

Was the producer just trying to be accommodating to include "more music" since they were never going to release everything from the film?

[Jay 33,712]

Nope, it's nothing that thoughtful, it's the opposite.

 

He just plopped the cue as it was initially recorded onto the album.

 

The film version replaces the map sequence music with an Insert that was written and recorded later. Bouzereau didn't bother to have his team edit that Insert into the track.

 

The entire box set completely omits all inserts and revisions across all 3 scores, with 2 single exceptions:

1. From Raiders, the insert called 8M3 Fix is included as the track "Indy Rides The Statue".  He didn't include the original full cue that it is meant to be Inserted into (8M3 Escaping The Pit) at all
2. From Doom, he gave us 3M1 Revised The Old Priest as the track "Indy And The Villagers", and didn't give us the original cue it replaced (3M1 The Old Priest's Tale) at all

 

There's only 8 tracks across all 5 that discs his team did any editing to:

1. I-6 "A Thought For Marion / To Nepal" joins 3M2 Thinking Of Marion with 3M3 To Tibet
2. I-10 "Bad Dates" joins 5M3 Poisoned Dates with 5M5/6M1 Don't Touch That (they aren't joined in the film)
3. I-21 "Washington Ending / Raiders March" joins 12M2 End Credits Part 1 with 12M2 End Credits Part 2
4. II-8 "The Scroll / To Pankot Palace" joins 4M2 The Scroll with 4M3 To Pankot Palace incorrectly
5. II-17 "Short Round Helps joins 10M2 Short Round Helps Out with 10M3 Indy Takes Charge
6. II-21 "The Broken Bridge / British Relief" joins 11m4 The Broken Bridge with 11M5/12M1 British Relief
7. III-1 "Indy's Very First Adventure" joins the first 4 cues of the score together
8. V-7 "Marcus Is Captured / To Berlin" joins 6M5 The Capture Of Marcus and 7M4/8M1 To Berlin together (they are from different parts of the movie)

 

Literally every other track in the box set is either a single cue in its own track with no edits, or a track pulled directly off the score's album master.

[Bellosh 2,713]

Really appreciate that write up!

[Brando 1,390]

2 hours ago, Jay said:

 

1. I-6 "A Thought For Marion / To Nepal" joins 3M2 Thinking Of Marion with 3M3 To Tibet (they aren't joined in the film)

At 0:48ish? That’s not joined in the film? Or are you getting this mixed up with TLC’s map scene where they edited on “X Marks the Spot”?

[Jay 33,712]

Copy/paste error, fixed now

[ThePenitentMan1 397]

On 11/08/2022 at 1:19 PM, Jay said:

1. I-21 "Washington Ending / Raiders March" joins 12M2 End Credits Part 1 with 12M2 End Credits Part 2 in a way that is both different from how the film joins them and different from how they were meant to be joined

 

How were these cues originally supposed to be joined, if you don't mind my asking?  I've seen you say this before and I'm actually kind-of curious what you mean by this.

[Jay 33,712]

Hmm I guess I was thinking of the prototype leak where it was way wrong, seems ok on the final CD

[fommes 145]

I remember the edit being slightly off timing-wise on the Concord set, indeed.

[Andy 3,226]

if Jay is anything like me, I’ve forgotten if the tracks were joined on the Concord or the DCC because I am so familiar with my personal edit. 
 

I think the film version skips a few bars of the Raiders March when the credits roll over the warehouse.  I hope any new edition makes it more musically pleasing. 

[Cameron007 34]

Aren't there, like, 4 different edits of the Raiders March? The album version, the film version of the end credits, the Concord version of the end credits, and the abridged version on Concord disc 4.

[Jay 33,712]

1 hour ago, Cameron007 said:

Aren't there, like, 4 different edits of the Raiders March? The album version, the film version of the end credits, the Concord version of the end credits, and the abridged version on Concord disc 4.

 

On 18/01/2022 at 6:11 PM, Jay said:

Basically John Williams wrote a six minute cue called 12M2 End Credits Part 2.

 

He put the entire 6 minute cue as the first track of the score album and titled it "Raiders of the Lost Ark" there.

 

Him and/or some music editor or something crafted some weird 2 1/2 minute cut-down version to end the album for unknown reasons, and titled that track "The Raiders March".

 

For the final film, Spielberg had to edit out small sections of the 6 minute cue to fit the runtime, including dropping the entire coda.

 

Williams published "The Raiders March" sheet music for orchestras to plays in concert, that was the original 6 minute cue, except without the coda included.

 

The DCC album made 2 all-new edits of that six minute cue -- a short edit that removed Marion's theme but kept the coda to open the album, and the full cue without the coda to end the album.  This second edit matches the popular concert / re-recordings track, and closely resembled the film's own end credits (which as mentioned also dropped the coda)

The Concord album ended with the full six minute cue.  The fifth disc in the box set opened with the OST's weird 2 1/2 minute edit.

[WampaRat 1,101]

Apologies if these were shared earlier in this thread. (In fact they could be from someone on this forum lol) But this is the best quality I’ve ever heard any of these unreleased cues from TOD before. Hardly any soundFX from what I can tell…

 

This “Mola Rams Speech” cue. Holy Crap. That choir…

[Presto 4,290]

Isolated score cues leaked a while back i thought?

[WampaRat 1,101]

1 minute ago, Roll the Bones said:

Isolated score cues leaked a while back i thought?

Whaaaaa?? For reals? I didn’t know that. I’ve only heard DVD rips with a bunch of SFX on them.

 

I will say this same YouTube Channel has a Last Crusade playlist but all the missing/unreleased cues are from the famous “Toilet bowl” bootleg. But the TOD one hasn’t sounded like this before. 

[Brando 1,390]

1 hour ago, WampaRat said:

Apologies if these were shared earlier in this thread. (In fact they could be from someone on this forum lol) But this is the best quality I’ve ever heard any of these unreleased cues from TOD before. Hardly any soundFX from what I can tell…

 

This “Mola Rams Speech” cue. Holy Crap. That choir…

Hey hey...thats my YT channel

 

I was sent a folder containing a bunch of tracks that sounded so great...and that was one of them. And I still have no concrete answer as to where they came from. If you go to the playlist and scroll down you can hear the full end credits too, even though I think the film uses a different take or is mixed differently.

30 minutes ago, WampaRat said:

Whaaaaa?? For reals? I didn’t know that. I’ve only heard DVD rips with a bunch of SFX on them.

 

I will say this same YouTube Channel has a Last Crusade playlist but all the missing/unreleased cues are from the famous “Toilet bowl” bootleg. But the TOD one hasn’t sounded like this before. 

Yes yes...toilet bowel is accurate. I found a folder also which contained the 'film version' of the Koenigrattzer March, even though I have no idea if that is the actual version or a mockup, but it sounded a lot a lot better than the film rips. And the Holy Grail  cue was ripped by @Manakin Skywalkerand it sounded just slightly, and I mean just slightly better than the leak, so I listen to that instead. There's also a lot of older edits on there, back when I was still learning how to edit music, so don't judge too hard

[WampaRat 1,101]

13 minutes ago, Brando said:

Hey hey...thats my YT channel

 

I was sent a folder containing a bunch of tracks that sounded so great...and that was one of them. And I still have no concrete answer as to where they came from. If you go to the playlist and scroll down you can hear the full end credits too, even though I think the film uses a different take or is mixed differently.

Yes yes...toilet bowel is accurate. I found a folder also which contained the 'film version' of the Koenigrattzer March, even though I have no idea if that is the actual version or a mockup, but it sounded a lot a lot better than the film rips. And the Holy Grail  cue was ripped by @Manakin Skywalkerand it sounded just slightly, and I mean just slightly better than the leak, so I listen to that instead. There's also a lot of older edits on there, back when I was still learning how to edit music, so don't judge too hard

Oh cool! I figured it had to be some dedicated fan from this forum haha. Seriously though. Those TOD tracks are terrific. “The Old Priest/The Child Returns” has some of my favorite unreleased moments. More of the eerie choir. The terrific haunting percussion when Indy gets the Sankara scroll from the child. The way the “Slave Childrens Crusade” builds into the Elephant Ride/Short Round theme fanfare. Williams magic. So thanks for sharing! 🙏🙏🙏