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Grade Speed Racer by Michael Giacchino


Grade Speed Racer by Michael Giacchino  

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  1. 1. Grade Speed Racer by Michael Giacchino

    • A+ (100%)
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    • A (95%)
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    • A- (90%)
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    • B+ (89%)
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    • B (85%)
      5
    • B- (80%)
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    • C+ (79%)
      0
    • C (75%)
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    • C- (70%)
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    • D+ (69%)
      1
    • D (65%)
      0
    • D- (60%)
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    • F (0%)
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The movie opens this week, the soundtrack out, and many of you have heard more music than will be on the soundtrack...so now it's time to grade the score!

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Added New Interactive Rankings sheet, with sorting/filtering abilities, this'll be helpful when the poll database gets nice and big and you wanna sort by A's only or B's only, or by composer.

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Yeah, it's just the forum has been so inundated with polls for the last few months that I didn't even want to bother adding to it.

Since it doesn't seem like it's gonna let up anytime soon, I went ahead and posted this one.

Even back when I was doing these full force, I always tried to limit myself to two grading threads per page of 40 topics.

Imagine if everyone went by that standard!

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A- because it is not entirely original since it deals with other composer material.

Which seems to be all that Gia's getting, film-wise anyway.

How is he going to shed his image of "pastiche-king" if he keeps taking jobs like this?

The incredibles, Ratatouille, The Family stone, Sky high do not deal with other composer material per se.

And i havent heard the independent films, but i suppose those neither.

I mean i would give Rattatouile 4.5-5 stars.

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A- because it is not entirely original since it deals with other composer material.

Which seems to be all that Gia's getting, film-wise anyway.

How is he going to shed his image of "pastiche-king" if he keeps taking jobs like this?

Speed Racer doesnt sound like pastiche to me, unless he is mimicking someone I'm not familiar with.

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I mean, I can standardize our scores into something comparable (since right now they're at different scales)....it'd take less than 5 mins in Excel...

But if you want to keep it up...um...we'll have to go by the same scale. :dance:

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A- because it is not entirely original since it deals with other composer material.

Which seems to be all that Gia's getting, film-wise anyway.

How is he going to shed his image of "pastiche-king" if he keeps taking jobs like this?

Agreed-- though he has done some things entirely on his own such as Ratatouille and Lost.

I liked the complete score a lot, found it very enjoyable (except for the cartoony stuff) and well done, but was somewhat disappointed upon hearing the last track and discovering the TV series themes (I did not know either series or music), and thus that the whole thing, including what I liked the best, was much derived from this already existing material.

It was still a brilliant job, but I was disappointed by this revelation nonetheless.

B+

I don't have the CD yet, but I loved the movie, and found the score to be consistently engaging. It made terrific use of the theme song -- which, methinks, is an awfully good sign for his upcoming Star Trek music.

... using which theme(s)? Courage's? Goldsmith's? Both? Horner's? All of them?

If all he does is compose a whole score based on one or two themes by previous composers, it will be yet another disappointment; even if it's well crafted, and brilliant from a merely technical viewpoint, creatively, it will not be as interesting as what came before.

All the Trek movie composers quoted Courage's theme, but all of them created several new themes of their own, and wrote very distinctive scores.

Goldsmith's "Enterprise" theme was a major new theme, and Horner and he wrote very different scores for the sequels than they had for their first Trek movies.

I hope Giacchino will go this way and not the so-called "homage" way.

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but was somewhat disappointed upon hearing the last track and discovering the TV series themes (I did not know either series or music), and thus that the whole thing, including what I liked the best, was much derived from this already existing material.

It was still a brilliant job, but I was disappointed by this revelation nonetheless.

On the contrary, that was what I found to be most brilliant of it all. The TV series theme is as much a part of Speed Racer as another element, but it can also get incredibly annoying. I love what Giacchino did with it.

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I don't have the CD yet, but I loved the movie, and found the score to be consistently engaging. It made terrific use of the theme song -- which, methinks, is an awfully good sign for his upcoming Star Trek music.

... using which theme(s)? Courage's? Goldsmith's? Both? Horner's? All of them?

If all he does is compose a whole score based on one or two themes by previous composers, it will be yet another disappointment; even if it's well crafted, and brilliant from a merely technical viewpoint, creatively, it will not be as interesting as what came before.

All the Trek movie composers quoted Courage's theme, but all of them created several new themes of their own, and wrote very distinctive scores.

Goldsmith's "Enterprise" theme was a major new theme, and Horner and he wrote very different scores for the sequels than they had for their first Trek movies.

I hope Giacchino will go this way and not the so-called "homage" way.

He said he was only using the Courage Fanfare.

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... using which theme(s)? Courage's? Goldsmith's? Both? Horner's? All of them?

If all he does is compose a whole score based on one or two themes by previous composers, it will be yet another disappointment; even if it's well crafted, and brilliant from a merely technical viewpoint, creatively, it will not be as interesting as what came before.

All the Trek movie composers quoted Courage's theme, but all of them created several new themes of their own, and wrote very distinctive scores.

Goldsmith's "Enterprise" theme was a major new theme, and Horner and he wrote very different scores for the sequels than they had for their first Trek movies.

I hope Giacchino will go this way and not the so-called "homage" way.

For one thing, let's stop this odd notion that music has to be "original" in order to be worthwhile. Just because Giacchino didn't personally compose the theme to Speed Racer, it doesn't mean that he didn't use that theme in a brilliant and artistic way in writing the score for the movie. Really, he made the theme better than it was to begin with. The music plays great on its own, and MORE IMPORTANTLY it plays great in the movie. How is that disappointing?

As for his Star Trek music, I've read interviews that indicated that he woul dalmost certainly not be using any of the Goldsmith or Horner themes, because the movie takes place (at least in part) prior to the series, so it would be inappropriate to use music from any of the movies. (Although Horner's Spock theme might work, in my opinion.) I'd bet on themes from the original series getting used. And as long as he does work that makes the movie a better experience, I don't really care whether or not he writes one single new theme of his own. If he does, that's fine too. It's all about what works for the movie.

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he's not capable of creating as good a Star Trek score as Goldsmith or Horner, at absolute best we can hope he can rise to the level of Generations,

lets wait and hear it before saying that kind of statements.

i'm sure he will be below goldsmith, but horner? who knows.

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so...:P

'the next john williams' is average...

BTW consider the franchise lucky for having him instead of the rest of the crap scoring out there.

And sincerely, even if he writes the best score ever composed, you will still say that its average.

Just basing it on what i heard before :cool:

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Though you may have been joking, there are people out there claiming that Giacchino is the next John Williams. (Wasn't there a controversial thread here with that title at some point?) And Joey is right -- there IS no next John Williams, and even if there were, it'd probably be somebody other than Giacchino, anyways: Shore or Elfman or maybe Howard or Zimmer. But I don't even think any of them (with the possible exception of Shore) have that kind of consistent brilliance in them.

That said, I don't really understand why so many people have such antipathy toward Giacchino. The guy has done some great work -- The Incredibles, Lost and Alias on tv, Ratatouille, Speed Racer -- and will undoubtedly continue to do great work. He's still more or less at the beginning of his career, and is already kicking ass, which doesn't happen with too many composers. There's no reason on Earth to think he's incapable of writing a Star Trek score that's even better than what Goldsmith, Horner, Courage, etc. have done in the past. It's unlikely, in the same way that creating an instant classic is always unlikely. But impossible? Certainly not.

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Though you may have been joking, there are people out there claiming that Giacchino is the next John Williams.

Spielberg was the 1st to do it :)

Really?!? Details, please.

it was in the TLW PSX game site. Since dreamworks interactive was bought by EA the site is down.

The said he was a 'young john williams'

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tracks 18 and 19 on the soundtracks are an A,but the rest brings it down to B

Though you may have been joking, there are people out there claiming that Giacchino is the next John Williams.

Spielberg was the 1st to do it :)

Really?!? Details, please.

it was in the TLW PSX game site. Since dreamworks interactive was bought by EA the site is down.

The said he was a 'young john williams'

I must admit he manages to put a few great tracks in his scores,but most of it is mediocre

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His work on Lost, Ratatouille, and the Medal of Honor series puts him on the caliber of John Williams and Jerry Goldsmith in the late 60s/early 70s for me. His body of work also demonstrates great respect and keen ears for atonality, a skill which is sadly lacking among the newer generation of composers.

If luck and skill continue to play on his side, I could see him being superior to even John Williams and Jerry Goldsmith.

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Some of you may not like it but he's also in a position now where he can pick and choose what he wants to score.

He's actually able to work on stuff he truly wants to do. I believe that was in a recent interview or the FSM online interview.

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