Which is the best sequel?

[MSM 126]

Of recent revivals of franchises, which movie did you like best?

[Josh500 1,615]

Where's the poll?

Oh there it is!

[crocodile 7,990]

Batman Begins. Simply because it is superior to others and gave us something different.

Karol

[Ollie 1,059]

None of the above.

[indy4 155]

SR returns was a piece of crap, BB was okay, KotCS was brilliant.

KotCS, again by a LONGSHOT.

[SpaceOddity 0]

Definitely Batman Begins. Superman Returns was a huge disappointment, as was Indy 4... *cough*. I've been a Batman fan ever since I was a kid, and I can't tell you how happy I was with this "reboot" of the Batman franchise (despite Katie Holmes, heh).

[Bryant Burnette 654]

I love Crystal Skull and I like Superman Returns, but Batman Begins is handily superior to both, in my opinion. And The Dark Knight is going to be even betterer.

[Jeshopk 8]

Crystal Skull was the only one I liked.

[ChuckM 1]

Well, Batman Begins isn't really a sequel, but it is by far the best of the movies listed.

Superman returns was ok, but not particularly interesting. We all know of the countless flaws in KotCS.

BB, on the other hand, is within my all-time-favorite movies.

[BurgaFlippinMan 7]

I liked Batman Begins a lot on release...but it hasn't grown on me with repeat viewings. Ditto with SR. So Skull wins for now.

[Trent Hoyt 13]

KOTCS is not really a revival of a franchise. The same actor has been in all the films.

[Red 75]

Although Batman Begins isn't a sequel it is easily the best out of this list. It's simply better than the rest (by a lot).

[Unlucky Bastard 7,782]

Crystal Skull.

Those two other movies are boring.

[indy4 155]

Yup.

[Neimoidian 14]

KOTCS is not really a revival of a franchise. The same actor has been in all the films.

Exactly.

Anyway, from these three I like KotCS the most. Superman returns was dissapointing and Batman Begins - while being a great movie itself - had little movie magic to me (compared to Burton's movies).

Where the hell is Casino Royale in the thread? This is the best revival of a franchise ever.

[Lurker 5]

Batman Begins.

"There is no comparison" (even though it's not a sequel)

Neil

[BurgaFlippinMan 7]

Where the hell is Casino Royale in the thread? This is the best revival of a franchise ever.

But Bond wasn't gone for long....

[Neimoidian 14]

Where the hell is Casino Royale in the thread? This is the best revival of a franchise ever.

But Bond wasn't gone for long....

Indeed, but the franchise was definitely in crisis after Die Another Day (not to mention the series has been on screen for 40 years back then, so none should have been really surprised if they had decided to quit it).

[Kendal_Ozzel 36]

Batman Begins is great, but I can't really consider it a sequel. Superman Returns was extremely disappointing. But I loved Crystal Skull, so I went with that.

[MrScratch 294]

The Bat, man.

[Bryant Burnette 654]

Indeed, but the franchise was definitely in crisis after Die Another Day (not to mention the series has been on screen for 40 years back then, so none should have been really surprised if they had decided to quit it).

No, the franchise was not in crisis after Die Another Day -- that movie was a huge hit worldwide. It wasn't one of the better movies in the series, but that's a different matter altogether. The Brosnan movies were extremely well-received by audiences, which makes the decision to refocus the movies' content and go with a different, mostly unknown, actor an extremely audacious one.

Luckily, it seems to have paid off.

[Neimoidian 14]

Indeed, but the franchise was definitely in crisis after Die Another Day (not to mention the series has been on screen for 40 years back then, so none should have been really surprised if they had decided to quit it).

No, the franchise was not in crisis after Die Another Day -- that movie was a huge hit worldwide. It wasn't one of the better movies in the series, but that's a different matter altogether. The Brosnan movies were extremely well-received by audiences, which makes the decision to refocus the movies' content and go with a different, mostly unknown, actor an extremely audacious one.

Luckily, it seems to have paid off.

I meant the quality crisis, not financial. Despite the high box office results, the movie was badly received. It's not a coincidence they waited longer than usual before they did Casino Royale. Even though it's the money that matters in the business, not the quality, it seems the EON executives realised that they turned into dead end and following that path could kill the franchise.

[indy4 155]

I can't believe Batman Begins is beating Kingdom of the Crystal Skull.

[Red 75]

I can't believe Batman Begins is beating Kingdom of the Crystal Skull.

"That, is why you fail."

[BurgaFlippinMan 7]

Indeed, but the franchise was definitely in crisis after Die Another Day (not to mention the series has been on screen for 40 years back then, so none should have been really surprised if they had decided to quit it).

No, the franchise was not in crisis after Die Another Day -- that movie was a huge hit worldwide. It wasn't one of the better movies in the series, but that's a different matter altogether. The Brosnan movies were extremely well-received by audiences, which makes the decision to refocus the movies' content and go with a different, mostly unknown, actor an extremely audacious one.

Luckily, it seems to have paid off.

I meant the quality crisis, not financial. Despite the high box office results, the movie was badly received. It's not a coincidence they waited longer than usual before they did Casino Royale. Even though it's the money that matters in the business, not the quality, it seems the EON executives realised that they turned into dead end and following that path could kill the franchise.

I didn't think Die Another Day was that bad. It was a pretty fun ride imo. And if Live and Let Die, Octopussy, A View to A Kill and The Living Daylights couldn't keep 007 down, nothing will.

[Neimoidian 14]

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I didn't think Die Another Day was that bad. It was a pretty fun ride imo. And if Live and Let Die, Octopussy, A View to A Kill and The Living Daylights couldn't keep 007 down, nothing will.

Actually I find Live and Let Die quite all right (for a Moore-Bond flick) and The Living Daylights is one of my favourite installments.

[Bryant Burnette 654]

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I didn't think Die Another Day was that bad. It was a pretty fun ride imo. And if Live and Let Die, Octopussy, A View to A Kill and The Living Daylights couldn't keep 007 down, nothing will. ^_^

Actually I find Live and Let Die quite all right (for a Moore-Bond flick) and The Living Daylights is one of my favourite installments.

There isn't one single Bond movie I dislike -- with the exception of the faux-Bond spoof Casino Royale -- but there are a number of them that I would call bad movies. Live and Let Die is definitely one of them. The Living Daylights is not; I think it's handily one of the top ten Bond movies.

Going back to the "crisis" following Die Another Day, I see your point -- I just didn't know you meant quality-wise.

Oddly, the previous Bond flick that was the guiltiest of going overboard in terms of unbelievability and campiness -- the wrecthed Moonraker -- also led to the producers deciding to go with a leaner, more realistic 007. The result was For Your Eyes Only, which is generally one of the more liked films in the series. And let's remember: Moonraker was also a huge hit, just like Die Another Day would later be.

[Lurker 5]

I can't believe Batman Begins is beating Kingdom of the Crystal Skull.

It's much easier to believe than someone actually voting for Superman Returns.

Neil

[Neimoidian 14]

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Oddly, the previous Bond flick that was the guiltiest of going overboard in terms of unbelievability and campiness -- the wrecthed Moonraker -- also led to the producers deciding to go with a leaner, more realistic 007. The result was For Your Eyes Only, which is generally one of the more liked films in the series. And let's remember: Moonraker was also a huge hit, just like Die Another Day would later be.

I agree, however I don't find Moonraker too different from much more acclaimed The Spy Who Loved Me. I even like it better than TSWLM, mainly because of Barry's terrific score and slightly toned goofiness of the predecessor.

[BurgaFlippinMan 7]

The Living Daylights is one of my favourite installments.

The Living Daylights is not; I think it's handily one of the top ten Bond movies.

I don't know. Dalton made a decent Bond of sorts, but I found the villian too bland and Maryam D'Arbo hardly compelling as a Bond girl. And then there's that climactic bit which has to be dumb even by Bond standards. The baddie has a bulletproof face armor attached to his gun and Bond can't figure to shoot him in the leg or something?

[JoeinAR 1,949]

ok batman begins isn't a "sequel" its a whole new start, so MSM is being a dummy when he/she put this together.

[MSM 126]

ok batman begins isn't a "sequel" its a whole new start, so MSM is being a dummy when he/she put this together.

Of course I know it isn't a sequel, but I expected the IQ of the majority of the people here to be high enough to understand what the meaning of this thread would be.

I apologize to the people who do not belong to this group

[Red 75]

The name of the thread is "which is the best sequel". What did you expect people to think?

[Kevin McCallister 0]

I can't believe Batman Begins is beating Kingdom of the Crystal Skull.

I can. It's a great movie.

Batman Begins beats all of these films by a longshot. There's almost no comparison.

[Bryant Burnette 654]

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Oddly, the previous Bond flick that was the guiltiest of going overboard in terms of unbelievability and campiness -- the wrecthed Moonraker -- also led to the producers deciding to go with a leaner, more realistic 007. The result was For Your Eyes Only, which is generally one of the more liked films in the series. And let's remember: Moonraker was also a huge hit, just like Die Another Day would later be.

I agree, however I don't find Moonraker too different from much more acclaimed The Spy Who Loved Me. I even like it better than TSWLM, mainly because of Barry's terrific score and slightly toned goofiness of the predecessor.

I'm with you -- the only huge difference in those two movies is that Moonraker is goofier (Jaws' girlfriend, anyone?), and more fantastical. But it's only by a matter of degree. Both movies are campy almost beyond belief, and I can't believe anyone ever took them at all seriously. They've aged very poorly.

But they're both a lot of fun (especially The Sky Who Loved Me, which has awesome stunts and just generally looks like a big-budget romp of a movie), so I find it hard to dislike either of them, even though they are bad, bad, bad movies.

And the score for Moonraker is certainly one of the musical highlights of the series, and of what I know of Barry's career. I don't care ofr most of Hamlisch's Spy Who Loved Me, although "Nobody Does It Better" can make a serious claim to being THE best Bond song.

The Living Daylights is one of my favourite installments.

The Living Daylights is not; I think it's handily one of the top ten Bond movies.

I don't know. Dalton made a decent Bond of sorts, but I found the villian too bland and Maryam D'Arbo hardly compelling as a Bond girl. And then there's that climactic bit which has to be dumb even by Bond standards. The baddie has a bulletproof face armor attached to his gun and Bond can't figure to shoot him in the leg or something?

Yeah, I see what you mean. The climax is definitely weak, and the villains are not the best.

But I love Dalton in that movie. He's not the Bond the world seemed to want at that point in time, but I think his performance has stood the test of time. In some ways, he's a similar Bond to the one we've got now -- Craig is better, of course, because he's manlier than ought to be legal.

To me, the story hangs together better than most of the post-Connery, pre-Brosnan Bonds manage. It might fall apart a bit toward the end, but I'll take this over Diamonds Are Forever ('cause I don't care what anyone says, that's a post-Connery Bond movie), Live and Let Die, The Man with the Golden Gun, The Spy Who Loved Me, Moonraker, Never Say Never Again (see above parenthetical), and A View to a Kill any day of the week. I might give For Your Eyes Only and/or Octopussy the advantage, but probably not by a lot.

One of the great things about the Bond series is the ability to compare/contrast for days on end. I think it's a big part of the reason the series is still vital, and probably will be for the forseeable future.

[MSM 126]

The name of the thread is "which is the best sequel". What did you expect people to think?

There is some explanation in the original post. I just meant which is the best movie of the latest releases of new films belonging to old franchises. Is it really that difficult?

[Red 75]

You asked people to choose the sequel in a poll, then included one that wasn't actually a sequel. You labeled the thread wrong, so don't call anyone stupid who points out that flaw.

[MSM 126]

You asked people to choose the sequel in a poll, then included one that wasn't actually a sequel. You labeled the thread wrong, so don't call anyone stupid who points out that flaw.

I wasn't starting the name calling. Btw everyone understood the purpose of this thread flawlessly including Joey. So aren't you taking this too seriously? Anyway, I have changed the smiley.