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I just don't buy "we don't have enough money to pay the rights and re-use fees " bullcrap excuse ,since apparently almost every other score in history is releaseable in complete form with a bit of willingness,no matter what year or studio they came from or where it was recorded . (I am sure there are MANY examples of expanded 2 c.d. releases of scores that were recorded by LA union musicians less than 25 years ago)

I blame greed ,lack of caring ,taking the fans for idiots and nobody making a serious effort to get this out.

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It would be a terrible tragedy that this set be marketed at "joe casual public" who vaguely remember they liked the "Raiders March" and might pick it up while buying their DVD copies of the film and weekly supply of Doritos.

You should, I feel, bear in mind that "joe casual public" in your scenario above is EXACTLY who they're going after. These scores have been unavailable for over a decade so, in Concord's eyes, there's a huge market to potentially tap. I wouldn't even be surprised if the "Raiders March" turns up as a CD single in Blockbusters.

I own all the CDs and, like many of you, would dearly love expanded and remastered editions. I'm pretty sure that we're simply going to get the originals re-released.

Looking on the bright side, maybe a whole new generation of film score lovers will get to own these on CD and add their voices to ours in the years to come for expanded releases. Until then, maybe we'll get a screensaver thrown in to keep us entertained... <_<

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Looking on the bright side, maybe a whole new generation of film score lovers will get to own these on CD and add their voices to ours in the years to come for expanded releases

You know,maybe what I said goes a bit to far,but I'm tired of this apologist crap.

It won't sell that well with the crowd picking their nose in front of the "new release" section at the local Barnes and Nobles wondering what music to buy that week.And most film score fans already have the music from the previous issue

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We're going to beat this old horse until not even the bones are left.

One of these days I hope most of you will finally understand just how small a group of people we are and that the casual public doesn't care whether or not 40 minutes of music are still missing from a 77 minute CD.

CDs are marketed to the general public and it's much cheaper to go with a 40 min score than it is to pay for the extra 40 minutes. Our small group of fans are hardly going to make a dent in a big label's sales.

It's all about making money for the labels. We have labels that have released some wonderful stuff but some of you have your head stuck so far up Williams musical ass that you are missing out on it.

But go ahead and write childish e-mails and see just how far that goes.

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You site the pure "business sense" arguement when it suits your need. that arguement seems to only pop up when a big Williams release comes up .Labels aren't interested in releasing expanded scores blah blah blah.

I would buy this arguement if Williams wasn't the sole exception to what seems to be happening with film score releases . With everything else expanded scores and complete releases are the norm now.

why did labels release a 2 c,.d, set of Alien and a bunch of other deluxe Goldsmith releases when they could have just released the old long oop c.d. 's for cheaper without even bothering with the unreleased music ,who cares it hardly makes a difference anyways since film score fans are a minuscule market ,right?...well someone cared slightly more than the profit margin.

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How about a Scorpio approach?

dEar cONcorde,

DEliver tHe exPandEd rEleaSes oF aLL iNDy sCorEs iN a pLAin sUItcaSe iN tHe pArk tONight.

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iF tHeY aRe, kNoW wEll tHat I wIll kNow wEll lOng bEfore yOU wILL rEAlize I kNow well.

iF yOu'Re lAte, yOUr bELOved oBAma wILL uNDergo a pErmaNeNt "cHAnge".

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It doesn't suit my needs, it's been explained over and over by people who are actually releasing the music.

Williams fans are the only ones who can't seem to grasp this.

Alien was recorded in London, Goldsmith normally composed scores that were less than 70 minutes and most of the releases are with studios that are interested in releasing film music, plus they are older scores or recorded overseas.

If Lucasfilm really wanted to get TOD and LC out there in expanded form I'm almost willing to bet that it would already be out there.

But don't listen and continue live in your conspiracy filled world.

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I would buy this arguement if Williams wasn't the sole exception to what seems to be happening with film score releases . With everything else expanded scores and complete releases are the norm now.

why did labels release a 2 c,.d, set of Alien and a bunch of other deluxe Goldsmith releases when they could have just released the old long oop c.d. 's for cheaper without even bothering with the unreleased music ,who cares it hardly makes a difference anyways since film score fans are a minuscule market ,right?...well someone cared slightly more than the profit margin.

I'm not looking to start a fight (I'm new here so still on my best behaviour) but - with the exception of the LOTR Trilogy and the recent Superman box set - what other recent films have had expanded releases?

Also, the double CD for Alien was released by Intrada and deluxe Goldsmith releases by Varese Sarabande; both of which are specialist labels dealing in soundtracks and marketing to a selective (and niche) market.

I agree with an earlier post that the contents of this boxset were probably decided months ago and - with three or four months to the touted release date - there's time simply to produce some new artwork, design the package, put out a marketing campaign and get the disks manufactured.

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it would be one thing if the original releases were re-issued ad nauseum, but they have been out of print for many years and ANY release is MOST WELCOME, whether it includes additional music or not.

If you already have the old ones, guess what you can save some money!

You don't need to poo on the release for everyone else.

LOL I guess the swear word filter changed my word to 'poo'. That's funny. ;)

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I'm not looking to start a fight (I'm new here so still on my best behaviour) but - with the exception of the LOTR Trilogy and the recent Superman box set - what other recent films have had expanded releases?

I think the new Hulk is getting a 2CD complete release fromthe very beggining.

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I'm not looking to start a fight (I'm new here so still on my best behaviour) but - with the exception of the LOTR Trilogy and the recent Superman box set - what other recent films have had expanded releases?

I think the new Hulk is getting a 2CD complete release fromthe very beggining.

That's great ,because you wouldn't want a single note of music written by Graig Armstrong going to waste.

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@ Mark Olivarez

I don't understand this "we are a small group" argument at all.

If we are a small group, practically the only ones caring about such releases, to put it in your own words, then why are you at the same time saying the releases are for the general public, when that very same public doesn't really care anyway? That's the fundamental flaw in your thinking.

Score releases are always for fans of the genre, the "general public" doesn't give a rat's ass and won't purchase any score release in the first place (and not only because they are told by the salesman "you know, this is the score"), so why not satisfy the most ardent customers? The public will always look down upon scores, no matter how long or short or good the score is, if it isn't Hans Zimmer part 256.

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that is the point I am trying to get across. Mark 's arguement is a big contradictory statement.

Then we have the even SMALLER group of c.d. collectors that already have MP3's , cdr's and multiple bootlegs of these scores but absolutely need an official copy on their c.d. shelf ,and most of these are only missing ToD. This box set is basically for them ,and they are the only ones not complaining in this thread and beeing all outraged that we demand expanded scores.

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From what I understand Marvel is releasing the soundtrack to the Hulk on their own label, at least that's what it says.

Ok folks here we go again. How many people do you see complaining about these releases? Honestly how many people do you think are complaining? Maybe 30, and that's being kind.

We are a small group and when I say we I mean the true film score fan. More than likely those who crave every score to be complete are even smaller. Now there are plenty of people who will buy a soundtrack because they like Indiana Jones or they liked it in the film but most of them do not care that 40 minutes of music is still missing.

Why did Concord put a recording of the Raiders March, which us die hard fans already have, on the album and advertise it as being on there by academy award winning John Williams when all of us supposed soundtrack fans know who he is?

For the general public who will buy these. The soundtrack was marketed for the general public. Why do you think scores that are sold in major stores have all kinds of labels advertising what's on there? We all know what a score album is and who the composer is. We don't need a history lesson on the front.

Why do you think songs are included or released as song only albums?

Honestly if it was only for us then most major labels would stop issuing soundtracks.

Why do you think that copies of all kinds limited scores still remain in print at FSM, Varese, Intrada etc etc? The market of true film score lovers is not that big.

Just look at some of the most popular selling soundtracks, most of them are song only or were from a very huge film like Star Wars and Titanic. Just because 500,000 people bought the first Harry Potter score doesn't meant the same amount want a complete version.

If you don't believe me all you have to do is read the message boards and listen when people in the business speak.

Now a little common sense should be applied, of course the major labels know that there are hard core film score fans who will grab these up.

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Unlike the pointless Star Wars trilogy reissues and box sets, this set will sell well because most of the Indy soundtracks have long been out of print. That might at least encourage Lucasfilm / Paramount to look at future expanded releases.

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Just because the labels put all kinds of advertisements on their covers doesn't mean the public gives a damn. Maybe that's a misconception on part of the record company? It may work once, but twice? Or even more? I doubt it.

For instance, let's assume the label who released The Spiderwick Chronicles put a sticker on the jewel case "By the Oscar- winning composer of 'Titanic'". Now a customer of "the faceless public" walks by and thinks "hey, this is by this Horner guy, maybe I should check it out", he puts the CD on, and would he like it? In 99 percent of those cases, a big NO seems more than likely.

Will this guy ever be trapped into the same marketing ploy again? Extremely unlikely.

Now they put two additional songs on the score CD. Will this help to boost sales *significantly*? Again, let's assume someone buys a disc with 50 minutes of score and 5 minutes of songs *because* of the songs. He may do it once, twice, maybe several times. Do you really think he would do this permanently? Only if he swims in money.

That's why the complaints of record companies about downloading don't quite resonate. If you really WANT to put out songs because of their quality, put out a score- only disc and a single.

But the way it is now, people who are curious about the songs don't want to shell out 20 bucks for them, and download them instead. And the score fans feel more and more like their products are being cut short and used exclusively as a merchandise gimmick, and resort to downloading as well.

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I understand where Mark's coming from, but the fact that something like the Superman box sold 3,000 copies in such a short amount of time (and was never even available in stores, and certainly wasn't cheap) makes me not underestimate film score fans.

And I never said a few emails would magically make complete scores happen. I just said they wouldn't hurt. (Although I should have said "friendly" emails; insults and conspiracy theories probably would do more harm than good.)

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yeah,but how about diehard fans of Baby,Secret of the Lost Legend or Inchon

I doubt they really made a huge impact. Inchon was only 1500 units. Baby is mid 80s goldsmith, it was a no brainer that it would sell quickly.

That was the point , there are no such fans of these movies .Film score fans sold those out within a day.

Mid 80's Goldsmith to a movie nobody remembers a no brainer? How about unreleased mid 80's Williams to one of the most popular films ever ?

Why wouldn't expanded Indiana Jones scores sell well too? There've got at least 5000 "hard core" film score fans right there who probably own the original release already and aren't going to buy the box set if it's straight re-issues.

And didn't the 2 c.d. expanded sets of the original Star Wars trilogy sell well enough? They re-issued it 3 times. Would people have bought the sets if they contained the old 45 minutes Polydor c.d.'s of TESB and RotJ??? And Indy is close to SW in popularity.

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Anyone want to get the limited to 3,000 copies, expanded with full liner notes released 5 years ago copy of Home Alone 2 from Varese?

Neil

Touché!

sorry KM :)

Though I'm with Kendal here, I mean, you have to look at it from the facts: it's not a conspiracy, the small soundtrack labels know the interest in this, but it's not up for them to decide - but on the other hand, if you choose to write polite emails expressing interest, I've got no problem with that.

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Anyone want to get the limited to 3,000 copies, expanded with full liner notes released 5 years ago copy of Home Alone 2 from Varese?

Neil

It's the only post 1975 Williams release I haven't bought ,although I plan to but for some reason I never got around to it.

I'm not sure it's the best example though.

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I'm not sure it's the best example though.

Improved quality? Yep.

Lots of extra music? Yep.

Liner notes? Yep.

Popular composer? Yep.

Successful movie? Yep.

Limited edition? Yep.

Still available after 5 years? Yep!

Neil

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Yes,well that one is kind of a flop for whatever reason .Even as a Williams completist I skipped that one...why? Maybe when I die and people rummage through my music collection I don't want them to find out I bought a deluxe 2 c.d. soundtrack set to a kids movie...

But you can't say they shouldn't release expanded Indy scores based on how well Home Alone 2 (or Heartbeeps) sold.

How did the expanded DCC classics Raiders sell ? Must have done ok since there aren't anymore copies in stores...

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I'm not sure it's the best example though.

Improved quality? Yep.

Lots of extra music? Yep.

Liner notes? Yep.

Popular composer? Yep.

Successful movie? Yep.

Limited edition? Yep.

Still available after 5 years? Yep!

Neil

But the Home Alone series is not a juggernaut like Star Wars or Indy. This is also a limited edition Varese Club release, not a release by a major label (like the RCA Star Wars Special Edition sets); thus there is no distribution to retailers and the advertising is minimal. Comparing Home Alone 2 sales to potential Indy complete score sales is apples and oranges.

Yes,well that one is kind of a flop for whatever reason .Even as a Williams completist I skipped that one...why?

Probably because it's a retread of the first score. Home Alone 2 was no holy grail.

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Considering the amount money they spent on SR and it's lukewarm return a sequel is hardly warranted.

There are more fans of Indy than there are Superman

Yeah right, Superman has 50 years on Indiana Jones.

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There's quite a bit of repurposed music, but that is well done, and the original material is a treat ("Arrival in New York" and "To the Plazo, Presto!" being a couple of highlights).

Indeed. You don't need Home Alone anymore once you have Home Alone 2.

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yeah,but how about diehard fans of Baby,Secret of the Lost Legend or Inchon

I doubt they really made a huge impact. Inchon was only 1500 units. Baby is mid 80s goldsmith, it was a no brainer that it would sell quickly.

That was the point , there are no such fans of these movies .Film score fans sold those out within a day.

Mid 80's Goldsmith to a movie nobody remembers a no brainer? How about unreleased mid 80's Williams to one of the most popular films ever ?

Why wouldn't expanded Indiana Jones scores sell well too? There've got at least 5000 "hard core" film score fans right there who probably own the original release already and aren't going to buy the box set if it's straight re-issues.

And didn't the 2 c.d. expanded sets of the original Star Wars trilogy sell well enough? They re-issued it 3 times. Would people have bought the sets if they contained the old 45 minutes Polydor c.d.'s of TESB and RotJ??? And Indy is close to SW in popularity.

Temple and Crusade were recorded in Hollywood......I would imagine that it is not worth Concord's time to only print 3000 super deluxe limited units.

These scores have bigger appeal than 3k, whether they are expanded or not---do you want this record label to go broke so you can get an expansion of your favorite soundtrack?

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In that case KM's mentions of Inchon and Baby: Secret of the Lost Legend shouldn't count.

And Home Alone 2 made over $172 million at the box office.

Neil

The indy franchise made billions (box office and merchandising i suppose)

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Home Alone and Home Alone 2 are both worth having.

The Varese 2 disc set of HA2 has all kinds of goodies, while there are repeats of some of HA's score there is a wealth of new material and bonus cues. Plus there was a technical adjustment to some mastering error on the original album.

Financial situations aside, if you are the true Williams fan you think you are then this should be in your collection.

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