indy4 152 Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 What are your favorite JW End Credits? In no order:- ESB (quite possibly the greatest JW cue ever written, certainly in my top 10)- Jaws 2- E.T.- Last Crusade- Raiders- ToD- KotCS- RotJ- PoA (I know a large part of this is a cut-n-paste job, but I love the new bits in the beggining)- Family Plot- MoaG- Far and Away- CE3K- Accidental Tourist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 5 Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 ESB is at the top for sure. ANH follows closely (the move from Leia's theme to the reprise of the main theme is just amazing). Just after is TEMPLE OF DOOM (damn I want a completely clean version of that cue.)Also a big fan of JAWS and JAWS 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissPadmé 17 Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 - Star Wars the Empire Strikes Back- Jurassic Park (Welcome to Jurassic Park)- Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull (album Version!)- Far and AwayJurassic Park has this neat piano solo and this wounderful B-section of the JP theme... and Journey to the island, I really love the dark ending, I prefer it over the Concert Version fanfare endng anytime of the day.This great horn"solo" with the raptor theme, well maybe hinting: "Something has survived!" ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neimoidian 13 Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 ... (adding to the previous):- The Reivers- Cinderella Liberty- Schindler's Listt.b.c. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitch 55 Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 The end credits to any Olympic Games held in the US and scored by JW. You know then that the summer is officially over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docteur Qui 1,248 Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 - Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull (album Version!)Is the film version different? I didn't realize."The Rebel Fleet/End Title" is the epitome of end credits scoring. The recapitulation of the new themes, re-arranged to flow better and suit the pace of the entire piece, is brilliant. It's not just placing the concert versions back to back, it musically flows and makes sense. The transitions between "Yoda's Theme", "The Imperial March" and "Han Solo and the Princess" are amazing.The credits from Temple of Doom are also fantastic, beginning with the Short Round counterpoint in the Raiders march and ending with the stunningly beautiful rendition of Willie's theme. Finally, there's Jaws 2 for me. I absolutely love this piece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 480 Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 This again?ESB, I guess.Also, Jaws and Jaws 2.- Marc, tempted to close for sheer redundancy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oierem 87 Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 - Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull (album Version!)Is the film version different? I didn't realize."The Rebel Fleet/End Title" is the epitome of end credits scoring. The recapitulation of the new themes, re-arranged to flow better and suit the pace of the entire piece, is brilliant. It's not just placing the concert versions back to back, it musically flows and makes sense. The transitions between "Yoda's Theme", "The Imperial March" and "Han Solo and the Princess" are amazing.The credits from Temple of Doom are also fantastic, beginning with the Short Round counterpoint in the Raiders march and ending with the stunningly beautiful rendition of Willie's theme. Finally, there's Jaws 2 for me. I absolutely love this piece.Agreed about Empire and Temple of Doom. The film version of the end credits is a shortened and edited version of the album version, and quite honestly, it sounds HORRIBLE (you can blame spielberg for that).Oh, and the end credits of Prisoner of Azkaban are NOT cut and paste job for the first 6 minutes or so (Double trouble, window to the past and buckbeak's flight). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyO 56 Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 I'd say John Williams is the master of End Credits suites and "Rebel Fleet/End Title" was probably the single cue that piqued my interest in Star Wars music and by extension John Williams music and by extension again film music in general. I also really like Hook's End Credits and am slightly annoyed that it is yet to be commercially released. I am incredibly thankful to Mr Williams for his suite for Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, it certainly took me back to the golden age of film scoring.Now that this subject has been brought up and there's no denying that Williams is king of end music, but are other composers also adept at making grand finale music? The only other person who comes swiftly to mind is Danny Elfman. He always presents romantic, grandiose suites to end his pictures and he almost always includes them on album. Some good examples are Batman Returns, Corpse Bride, The Nightmare Before Christmas, Spider-Man, etc. I suppose this all depends on whether the end credits music has been released on album or not. Another one of my most listened to End Credits suites is the one from Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest, taken from a DVD rip. Now, even though the quality of Zimmer's music-writing is questionable, especially for the Pirates trilogy, his transitions from each of the main themes in the suite is at least clever. Likewise, his End Credits extension from At World's End, which tries very hard to be memorable and I reluctantly admit is quite entertaining.Anyway, who else can concoct fitting finale music? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docteur Qui 1,248 Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 I find that the end credits is a wonderful opportunity for a composer to truly finish the score as a whole, by having themes that have developed gradually through the film in their most pure and musical form. Unfortunately most filmmakers wouldn't agree and it's sad to see pop songs tacked to end credits when it could be such an excellent opportunity for music.Of course, many composers now don't write "music", they write rhythms and chord progressions that just go with the images. So I guess that's why it's not common. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyO 56 Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 I find that the end credits is a wonderful opportunity for a composer to truly finish the score as a whole, by having themes that have developed gradually through the film in their most pure and musical form. Unfortunately most filmmakers wouldn't agree and it's sad to see pop songs tacked to end credits when it could be such an excellent opportunity for music.Exactly, the end credits provides an oppurtunity for the score to shine on its own, showcasing the composer's talents and revealing why that composer seemed suitable for the job of compsoing that film. With the head towards generic film scoring there is nothing to showcase since everything sounds the same, so we get barely related pop songs to fill the void. Composers don't need to compete for scoring jobs anymore because the typical action film is now scored by a committee, so why recognise the "talents" of a single composer? It's a sad truth and makes feel even luckier that the Finale from KotCS exists in its complete form on the soundtrack album (and, indeed edited in the film).A perfect example of this is the Narnia films. Both have epic fantasy scores, but both have the score interrupted at the end by a pop song. Sure the pop song is fitting in the context of the film, but Harry Gregson-Williams was hired for a reason, so let him do his job, all of it. Both of these films should have had score cues leading into and beginning the end credits, because it is that type of film. Fantasy films need the orchestra crescendo at the end to truly solidify it's memorable place within the minds of genre fans. That's arguably why John Williams is so popular and great at what he does: he knows how to score films according to genre and is given free reign by the filmmakers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurgaFlippinMan 7 Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 Pop songs are there to sell the soundtrack.Anyway, I think Horner deserves a shoutout too for his End Credits works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyO 56 Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 Pop songs are there to sell the soundtrack.Anyway, I think Horner deserves a shoutout too for his End Credits works.Yeah James Horner for sure. Plus, Howard Shore and Michael Giacchino. "The Incredits" and "End Creditouilles" are both fantastic finale suites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docteur Qui 1,248 Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 Pop songs are there to sell the soundtrack.Yes I know. But I still find it a shame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,759 Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 This again?ESB, I guess.Also, Jaws and Jaws 2.- Marc, tempted to close for sheer redundancy.why, you've not moderated much of anything for over a month why start now.in fact you could basically close every thread for sheer redundancy, as we're back in the doldrums again.The best way you can moderate is to do more than you did in the last month, but less than you're inclined to do.Indy 4, LC doesnt need to be mentioned about TOD, which is the best end credits of the Indy series hands down, LC is the least of the 4. And talk about a good laugh, Memoirs isn't even close to being among the best.ESB finale is fine but its nowhere near as good as STAR WARS Throne Room, not f***ing ANH as Beloq would say Idiawts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 9 Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 I will not be choosing one, but I would like to observe some of the most welcome recent end credits. Munich, Memoirs of A Geisha and Indy IV had wonderful end credits, which did not seem to be the case for other of his recent scores (HP3 for it's first two minutes, i guess). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 859 Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 Star WarsThe Empire Strikes BackTemple Of DoomJawsJaws 21941Close Encounters - Special edition version with "When You Wish Upon A Star".The Poseiden AdventureThe Towering Inferno Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 Star Wars: A New HopeEmpire Strikes BackAttack of the Clones (album version with the proper ending)Temple of DoomCrystal Skull (really)ET (just for the piano version of Elliot's theme)Prisoner of Azkaban (just the first 2-3 minutes)The PatriotJaws 2John- who has to mention again that Independence Day is one of the greatest end credits suites Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,759 Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 I like Crystal Skull finale too John, more than maybe I should, but it has 3 terrific departures from known themes that are wonderful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 Yeah, it feels like there was actually some thought put into it instead of just being a mish-mash of cues or concert pieces (Hook, TPM, SS and CoS, LC to a degree). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 73 Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 Born on the Fourth of July. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 49 Posted June 12, 2008 Share Posted June 12, 2008 "The Raiders March""Throne Room / End Title""Rebel Fleet / End Title""End Credits" (The Fury)"We Wish You a Merry Christmas and End Title""Finale and End Credits" (Temple of Doom)"End Title (Raiders March)" (Last Crusade - great composition despite the orchestra's sleepy performance)"Hymn to the Fallen""Epilogue" (War of the Worlds) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Vincent 8 Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Nobody for Witches of Eastwick ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattyO 56 Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 I enjoy Witches Of Eastwick a lot, but can't help but be ensnared by its Danny Elfman-like sound. Of course that's silly because it came before Elfman's prime, but I find the film to be the type of film Danny Elfman would have scored back in the late eighties or early nineties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 859 Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 I like Crystal Skull finale too John, more than maybe I should, but it has 3 terrific departures from known themes that are wonderful.But it really doesn't flow together like the other 3 scores. There's no bridge music, with the exception of the bit between Irina's Theme and Mutt's.I do like the Witches Of Eastwick. I'd even vote for Superman but the Love theme wasn't originally meant to be over the end credits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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