BloodBoal 7,538 Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 2. With two albums released, are we missing a lot of music?Yes, because the second album (More Music From Braveheart) had only like 5 minutes of unreleased music to add to the original release. The rest was traditional Scottish music that didn't appear in the film, dialogue-only tracks, or tracks with music that was already on the original release (but this time, with dialogue over it). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,342 Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 So is the label's attitude ignorance or pure unwilligness? According to Filmtracks' we have all the highlights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 2. With two albums released, are we missing a lot of music? Yes, because the second album (More Music From Braveheart) had only like 5 minutes of unreleased music to add to the original release. The rest was traditional Scottish music that didn't appear in the film, dialogue-only tracks, or tracks with music that was already on the original release (but this time, with dialogue over it).Little more then 5 minutes, but not much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pieter Boelen 740 Posted September 26, 2015 Author Share Posted September 26, 2015 HA! I almost forgot I used to do these threads once in a grey and distant past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 So is the label's attitude ignorance or pure unwilligness?A bit of both, I guess.According to Filmtracks' we have all the highlights.Maybe we do (don't remember if what's left unreleased is noteworthy or not), but there's still a lot missing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,342 Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 So now that we're talking missing music anyway, how exactly do these things work? Did the label need Horner's permission to butcher his music, was he the one who picked the new tracks, or does the label do whatever it wants even if Horner had demanded a 5.1 surround sound DVD and three CDs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 These kind of major label expansions are pretty much always done with the composer's input.It's our beloved specialty labels that sometimes get to make perfect expansions without any composer interference (especially because a lot of times the composer has passed when the specialty label is working on it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Ware 526 Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 There isn't much music missing. Horner (RIP) was interested in doing this live to projection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 That would be awesome!And Jim is right. Not a lot is missing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,342 Posted September 26, 2015 Share Posted September 26, 2015 RIP indeed... I still can't believe it. And good to know that not too much is missing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 My bad for remembering wrong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 But what there is is crucial, i. e. film version of 'For the Love of a Princess' and a brute attack cue for the beginning of the Falkirk battle. I guess there is some more variety to it than the endless same-y repeats of the Murron love theme on the album. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 The film version of For The Love Of A Princess is a crucial omission, though I really prefer the album version Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 It's the concert version, so yeah. Horner could have included the delirious schmaltz bridge in the end credits instead of just repeating the concert version but wish in one hand, shit in the other...It's not a very varied score, though, so i am not sure i even need the original album. An academic debate, since i traded it on ebay anyway. Or better, gifted... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 Concert version? How often has it been performed in concerts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 Several times, a few versions are on Spotify. Though Horner tended to be fussy about leaving his stuff to others, as the late Erich Kunzel reported. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 Exactly. It's more an album version in my mind then a concert version Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,342 Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 Never knew there was a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 It's really only nitpicking about semantics. Williams also writes album versions of his main themes but they are routinely dubbed concert versions for good reason. If the score is popular enough that's what will be played in concerts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 In all honestly, I've been to quite a few film music concerts and have never heard Braveheart. They tend to program Titanic, if any Horner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 Celtic Horner I can't be doing with these days, it makes me press skip whenever I hear it. This is still a fine score as heard during its movie, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 I should watch it again soon. Makes me feel like killing some fecking English! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,342 Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 It does, doesn't it? After I watched it, I was like, 'Nicola Sturgeon, I totally understand you now!' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 FREEEEDDDDOOOOOOMMMMM!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 I suppose dead heads will believe any old Hollywood crap if it's skillfully spoon-fed to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 Shut it, your English piece of shite! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,342 Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 Well the film is historically inaccurate, you can't deny that, but the bigger picture remains that Scotland was/is being governed by someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 Historically inaccurate doesnt even begin to cover it mate.And the Scotts had their chance last year, but chickened out! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,342 Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 Aye. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 Well the film is historically inaccurate, you can't deny that, but the bigger picture remains that Scotland was/is being governed by someone else.Someone else? Mel Gibson might have made you think that but it's inaccurate I'm afraid. They're a part of the UK mate, they voted in a referendum to continue to be at the end of last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 Indeed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,342 Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 But if you look at it logically, it doesn't make sense. Scotland is a country on its own with its own history and culture, so why shouldn't the Scots have their proper government? Why shouldn't the English have their own government? I'm not being anti-British here, but the UK doesn't make sense to me because there's clearly not a strong UK identity. (Am I allowed to post such things here?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 That doesn't make much sense mate.We have the EU, even though there's virtually no united European identity in any of the population anywhere.The United Kingdom makes perfect sense when seen in its proper historical and geographical context. Great Britain is afterall an island. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,342 Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 Well I'm not a big fan of the EU either... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 You are Belgian right? To many of us who aren't from Belgium your whole socio/political system between the Flemish and the Wallonians make no sense.Well I'm not a big fan of the EU either...Yeah, though I'm sure its had its uses. And we didn't have a third world war here so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,342 Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 Believe me, Belgium doesn't make sense to me either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 Mel Gibson should make a movie about it. Then the whole world will know the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 Know.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 Saw it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 Suuure!Anyway, I agree with Lee.Braveheart is a smashing film, but really not one that should be confused with actual history. Nor should we draw any political conclusions from it.Watch The Thick Of It for that, Manneke! Not Mr. Big 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 But if you look at it logically, it doesn't make sense. Scotland is a country on its own with its own history and culture, so why shouldn't the Scots have their proper government? Why shouldn't the English have their own government? I'm not being anti-British here, but the UK doesn't make sense to me because there's clearly not a strong UK identity. (Am I allowed to post such things here?)04 - In order to avoid controversial off-topic debates, political and religious references are NOT ALLOWED ON ANY OF THE FORUMS.Bye! It was nice knowing you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,342 Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 Oops, apologies. I found it rather hard not to get political after Braveheart. Won't happen again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 Oh please. They aren't really rules. More like guide lines, or suggestions.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,342 Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 I fully understand why religious discussions aren't allowed, but political... Sounds a little harsh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 So, should same-sex marriage be allowed? Discuss! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,342 Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 Point taken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 So, should same-sex marriage be allowed? Discuss!Yes it should be! bollemanneke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 No matter who or what you marry, after a few years, you'll be having the same sex whenever you get lucky. publicist 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 Not if you shag prostitutes on the side! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 You're morally broken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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