Braveheart

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

What???

[Quintus 5,399]

I found it rather hard not to get political after Braveheart.

lolz

[TheUlyssesian 2,473]

 

Where is this suite from?

Which album?

And did Horner arrange it himself?

[mstrox 6,643]

3 stars, it's OK

[Edmilson 7,381]

5 stars, it's wonderful

[Thor 7,462]

19 minutes ago, Edmilson said:

5 stars, it's wonderful

 

You're absolutely right. A modern masterpiece!

 

Here's a story for ya: When I attended the Horner concert in Vienna a few years ago, with the composer present, I was seated next to a young girl (Horner was actually sitting just right in front of me, to the right). On her lap was a poster of BRAVEHEART of some kind, probably something she wanted signed. As the BRAVEHEART music was performed, I could clearly see she was moved to tears. As a consequence, I was moved to tears too. I mean, I've always loved the film and score, but to see that young girl, she couldn't be more than 14-15 years old, react so strongly to a score that was written way before she was born, I just found immensely moving.

[Fargo 297]

I credit this movie (and Empire Strikes Back) to forming my love for film score. When I was a kid, I would watch this movie almost every Sunday, late in the afternoon, with my dad. He’d be taking a nap on the couch and I’d put the VHS of this on, and we’d just watch it. Maybe a little conversation before the Nap took him over, talking about our week, how everything is going, etc. They were great times.

 

Now I can’t watch this movie or listen to the score anymore without remember those afternoons. I’m sure it was equal parts music, action, violence, and nudity that made me love the movie so much. 

[#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265]

Its the best score ever composed.

[Richard Penna 3,669]

2 hours ago, TheUlyssesian said:

 

Where is this suite from?

Which album?

And did Horner arrange it himself?

 

Look in the video details. It's this: https://www.google.com/search?q=braveheart+theme+highland+orchestra&oq=beaveheart+theme+highland&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0l2.3964j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

[TheUlyssesian 2,473]

12 minutes ago, Richard Penna said:

 

Look in the video details. It's this: https://www.google.com/search?q=braveheart+theme+highland+orchestra&oq=beaveheart+theme+highland&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0l2.3964j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

 

I figured it is the Highland Orchestra but don't know who arranged the piece?

 

(It is quite an attractive arrangement essentially combining all major themes in a single 2.5 minute suit.)

[Bilbo 3,709]

2 hours ago, Stefancos said:

Its the best score ever composed.

I wouldn’t go quite that far but it’s a definitely 5 star score. 

[Bilbo 3,709]

anyone else hear any similarities with one of the themes in Braveheart in here?

[NL197 368]

Barely, but I know what you mean. 

2:56, or 3:12, or 4:00 (repeating example of what you mean) of this Isle of Hope song. 

 

It reminds you of this at 3:45: 
 

 

 

But it's such a minor little thing though. 

[Edmilson 7,381]

What is the best Horner score of 1995? Braveheart, Balto or Apollo 13?

[Jay 37,281]

Apollo 13 IMHO

[publicist 4,643]

5 minutes ago, Edmilson said:

What is the best Horner score of 1995? Braveheart, Balto or Apollo 13?

 

Casper.

[NL197 368]

5 minutes ago, Edmilson said:

What is the best Horner score of 1995? Braveheart, Balto or Apollo 13?

JADE. 

[Jay 37,281]

Well now I feel like I should change my vote to Jumanji!

[Edmilson 7,381]

Jumanji is a great score. 

[Jurassic Shark 12,023]

On 1/10/2020 at 7:23 PM, Thor said:

Here's a story for ya: When I attended the Horner concert in Vienna a few years ago, with the composer present, I was seated next to a young girl (Horner was actually sitting just right in front of me, to the right).

 

I bet you were eating popcorn and kicking him in the back all the time!

[Bilbo 3,709]

1 hour ago, NL197 said:

Barely, but I know what you mean. 

2:56, or 3:12, or 4:00 (repeating example of what you mean) of this Isle of Hope song. 

 

It reminds you of this at 3:45: 
 

 

 

But it's such a minor little thing though. 

 

It wouldn't surprise me if Horner was influenced by the song (consciously or otherwise) but I agree, it is just a little thing but it's always something that I think about any time I hear Braveheart. 

 

It's a bit like Leaving of Liverpool in Titanic. 

[Nick1Ø66 4,687]

Bumping a Braveheart post is like sending up the bat signal for @Chen G..

 

[Chen G. 3,943]

More like this:

 

[NL197 368]

3 hours ago, His Royal Noelness said:

 

It wouldn't surprise me if Horner was influenced by the song (consciously or otherwise) but I agree, it is just a little thing but it's always something that I think about any time I hear Braveheart. 

 

It's a bit like Leaving of Liverpool in Titanic. 

 

Leaving of Liverpool was a good reference. Not only for a good melody, but for Titanic itself given its history. 

2 hours ago, Nick1Ø66 said:

Bumping a Braveheart post is like sending up the bat signal for @Chen G..

 

 

Oh, bumping Braveheart posts are TIGHT!

 

 

I don't even think it matters what anyone's favorite Horner from 1995 was, because it was such a great year for his music all around ya can't go wrong.  (I actually do enjoy JADE a lot. It's not my favorite of that year, but I enjoy the whole thing. Much of it is found in Braveheart anyway!)

[Chen G. 3,943]

The only prexisting melody I know Horner consciously spun one of his Braveheart tunes out of is "Amazing Grace" for the Outlawed tunes. But that's because the script originally called for "Amazing Grace."

 

Horner even upped his game and swapped his usual "danger" ostinato for a two-note brass figure that serves much the same purpose. It would return in Titanic (where its often called the "iceberg motive").

[publicist 4,643]

He had a wandering eye towards Holst, too (nothing like a 'ripoff', but you can hear the traces).

 

 

[NL197 368]

18 hours ago, Chen G. said:

Horner even upped his game and swapped his usual "danger" ostinato for a two-note brass figure that serves much the same purpose. It would return in Titanic (where its often called the "iceberg motive").

It’s interesting, because it actually started the year before that in Courage Under Fire with three notes and expanded it into its own theme. (The cue “Night Mutiny” is a good standalone version of the idea but it’s in others as well) It served as a sort of darker tension kind of device. Titanic narrowed it to two notes.

[Chen G. 3,943]

I much prefer it to Horner’s other “danger” ostinato.

[blondheim 1,157]

I like the 4 notes of doom. Unfortunately I heard them first in Troy, where they are relentless and was unaware of them in any other scores. I actually disliked Willow for a long time because it reminded me too much of Troy. I was wrong and I have paid my time.

 

In the end though, I am sort of happy I heard it first in Troy because I love that score and it doesn't bother me. It's a little annoying in Enemy at the Gates though... and I can't lie when I heard it in the first track of Avatar, I thought "Oh no, here we go again" but by the end of that album, I felt quite different. A petty, insignificant qualm it was.

[Chen G. 3,943]

I prefer that two-note figure from Braveheart and Titanic.

 

That one actually sounds like danger.

[blondheim 1,157]

Hard to Starboard is one of Horner's greatest tracks. You'll hear no argument from me. I love both. Horner was great

[NL197 368]

4 hours ago, blondheim said:

Hard to Starboard is one of Horner's greatest tracks. You'll hear no argument from me. I love both. Horner was great

 

I found it better as Al Bathra. Easily my favorite Horner action cue. 

 

The Titanic trailer used a combination of that and Monfriez's Suicide. That had to be intentional since the film paralleled that music. 

[blondheim 1,157]

1 hour ago, NL197 said:

 

I found it better as Al Bathra.

 

Imo Al Bathra is to Hard to Starboard what The Machine Age is to Kaleidoscope of Mathematics: a draft for the better cue.

[Bilbo 3,709]

Enemy at the Gates is basically Danger Motif the Score. I love it. 

[Chen G. 3,943]

I remember in the first few minutes of Willow, I was thinking it was going to be that, because the danger motif is very prominent in the first few cues. Thankfully, it ended up being a lot more varied.

 

But I definitely think this (in the low brass) sounds much more actually foreboding than this.

[Edmilson 7,381]

Enemy at the Gates is one of my favorite Horner scores from the 2000s, danger motif or not. 

[Bilbo 3,709]

35 minutes ago, Edmilson said:

Enemy at the Gates is one of my favorite Horner scores from the 2000s, danger motif or not. 

I love the film too. The river crossing at the start is great. You can tell it was influenced by SPR but they did their own thing all the same. 
 

I want more big budget WW2 movies. 

[Jurassic Shark 12,023]

3 minutes ago, His Royal Noelness said:

The river crossing at the start is great. You can tell it was influenced by SPB

 

Saving Private Brian?

[Bilbo 3,709]

28 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said:

 

Saving Private Brian?

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