Koray Savas 2,251 Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 The Illusionist had no magic. Literally and figuratively. The cinematography was very dull with some oddly brown lighting, from what I remember. Edward Norton had no spice, nothing that made him captivating on the stage. Not to mention Philip Glass's score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,041 Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 Yeah. It was just...bland. I was waiting for something interesting to happen, and it never did. I don't remember much about the score, but I think I considered it to be the only category in which it had a slim edge over The Prestige, which had a singularly dull (if inexplicably semi-effective) score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 Glass's score was just monotonous as usual. Julyan is a master at atonal suspense. As much as I like Zimmer and Nolan's working relationship, I'd still like from him to go back to Julyan at some point. Perhaps even a collaboration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 I'm afraid I agree with Koray here, though I might not have put it so strongly. There was nothing in The Illusionist for me to like, whereas The Prestige had me captivated every time I watched it.Really, I dislike the Prestige on so many levels.At least the Illusionist is more honest. The ending of the Prestige is so dishonest, and Nolan's direction is so disinteresting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,041 Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 Really, I dislike the Prestige on so many levels.At least the Illusionist is more honest. The ending of the Prestige is so dishonest, and Nolan's direction is so disinteresting.The ending of The Prestige is a big surprise, sure, but dishonest? I definitely don't see it that way. Unconventional, unexpected, and difficult to process, yes...but not dishonest. It was the ending that turned a good film into a great one, IMO. With The Illusionist...well, like I said, there was simply nothing in it that I enjoyed. I guess Paul Giamatti did a pretty good job, and the film certainly succeeds at evoking a time and place, but still...I was pretty disappointed with the film, particularly with The Prestige still fresh in my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,000 Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 I think Joey might be referring to the fact all three main characters prove to be irredeemable in the end. Which is actually a good point. I remember seeing it once with my friend and she said she hated the film because she couldn't care for these pathetic people.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,041 Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 None of them are at all sympathetic in the end, no. Didn't hurt my enjoyment of the film, though. [shrug] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 Yes, like Koray and Meister Full Of Data, I too didn't like watching The Illusionist at all. Except for the occupation of the leading characters, I don't see how the two films are comparable. The films, their style and their themes are completely different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,000 Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 I didn't like it myself. I thought that the whole revenge was kind of uncalled for. After all this guy didn't do anything all that terrible to the main character. Framing someone for murder merely because that person was an asshole is a bit much. Besides, everything about the film is so detatched emotionally. The artificial look didn't help either. And the tricks seem too improbable to be plausible. As ridiculous as The Prestige might be to some, at least it had this quasi-Faust plot to make it all kind of acceptable.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 The Prestige has a nice sci-fi twinge to it that makes it more interesting. You also have Pfister's gorgeous cinematography and of course David Bowie and Andy Serkis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurgaFlippinMan 7 Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 Really, I dislike the Prestige on so many levels.At least the Illusionist is more honest. The ending of the Prestige is so dishonest, and Nolan's direction is so disinteresting.The ending of The Prestige is a big surprise, sure, but dishonest? I definitely don't see it that way. Unconventional, unexpected, and difficult to process, yes...but not dishonest. It was the ending that turned a good film into a great one, IMO. With The Illusionist...well, like I said, there was simply nothing in it that I enjoyed. I guess Paul Giamatti did a pretty good job, and the film certainly succeeds at evoking a time and place, but still...I was pretty disappointed with the film, particularly with The Prestige still fresh in my mind.I agree with Joey here. The ending of the Prestige turned it from a meh film to an awful one. It always feels like it was just trying to cramming as many twists as it could into the finale to please the college 'i love mindfuck' crowd. bleah.The Illusionist was also very meh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 The ending of The Prestige is a big surprise, sure, but dishonest? I definitely don't see it that way. Unconventional, unexpected, and difficult to process, yes...but not dishonest. It was the ending that turned a good film into a great one, IMO. With The Illusionist...well, like I said, there was simply nothing in it that I enjoyed. I guess Paul Giamatti did a pretty good job, and the film certainly succeeds at evoking a time and place, but still...I was pretty disappointed with the film, particularly with The Prestige still fresh in my mind.What surprise ending? 2/3s of the way through you know everything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,041 Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 Yes, like Koray and Meister Full Of Data, I too didn't like watching The Illusionist at all.That's Da Tameister to you, pal! What surprise ending? 2/3s of the way through you know everythingI sure didn't! Maybe I was just slow back then...or maybe I'm remembering it wrong... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 So the wide shot showing all the bodies was supposed to be a surprise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,000 Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 So the wide shot showing all the bodies was supposed to be a surprise?There is no such shot. They show one body in the tank BTW it is hardly the most important twist in the story.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,041 Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 So the wide shot showing all the bodies was supposed to be a surprise?No, that wasn't a surprise, I don't think. It was just the various revelations toward the end of the film. Maybe I just fell into BurgaFlippinMan's "college 'i love mindf***' crowd" at the time, but I really enjoyed the exercise my brain was getting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 Oh I love The Prestige, I just wouldn't call it a "Surprise Ending" kind of movie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,000 Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 It's not. The "twists" (and in fact the whole structure) serve only as metaphor for trap doors of the tricks themselves, but the film itself about something else entirely. At least that's how I see it.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 From what I remember, we get visual clues and hints, but nothing definite. Then we get the shot at the end that shows just how crazy and far Hugh Jackman's character took it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,000 Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 Yup that's way this and the closing narration almost leaves a question mark at the end of the picture. I know there were several theories about the film where the Tesla machine didn't work.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 I hated Nolan after I saw it in theaters, because he stole my narration technique that I used for a short film I wrote. Exact same narration in the beginning and in the end, but at those points they meant two completely different things.I probably wasn't the first person to think of it, but whatever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,000 Posted March 14, 2011 Share Posted March 14, 2011 I think many of us tried to write a thriller like this. My first attempt resembled his first movie, Following. I little bit too much. And I haven't seen it at that point. But then any no-budget thriller would try something like that, I guess.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted March 18, 2011 Share Posted March 18, 2011 Confirmed: Kevin Kostner is Pa KentGood choice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skyy38 21 Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 Zimmer strikes again.....http://www.darkhorizons.com/news/18622/nolan-zimmer-talk-dark-knight-risesCrap....Well thank god he won't butcher Williams' theme with his processed music and army of composers.Actually, from what I've heard, they're not going to use Williams' Theme.....At the very least though, the Siegel and Shuster estates will see some measure of justice after all this time.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 I thought it was debunked that Zimmer isn't doing the score for Superman: The Man Of Steel? If he is I can happily skip the score.I don't give a rats ass what most of you say about Ottman's Superman Returns, it's better than anything Zimmer can turn out or will turn out if he is doing the score for this film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,684 Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 Yeah why did you dig up a post from October? Pretty sure Zimmer's since denied any connection.And I'll say it again: if Snyder has any sense, he'll ask David Hirschfelder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,000 Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 John Powell might be a good choice, actually. If you want to go with a modern composer.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 Rachel Portman! She has a firm understanding of the orchestra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 I'd love to see Thomas Newman get a shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 Tyler Bates has the highest chance of scoring at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 Danny Elfman. So he can complete his set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 I'd be perfectly happy with Elfman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonesy 55 Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 Michael Giacchino would be a great choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davros72 1 Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 I don't give a rats ass what most of you say about Ottman's Superman Returns, it's better than anything Zimmer can turn out or will turn out if he is doing the score for this film.I loved Ottman's "Superman Returns" score, he did really interesting things with the Williams material, and brought some new ideas of his own to the film. It is pretty clear when listening to the score what's Williams-based and what's Ottman-original (apart from the obvious themes, I mean), but that's fine with me. I saw part of the film again the other day, then decided to listen to the score later. There's some really beautiful, moody stuff in there, really evokes some strong emotions. I think we were lucky that he was as faithful as he was, he could have gone a completely different route, even if Singer wanted it to be a direct continuation of the Chris Reeve films.I'm sadly not looking forward to the new film, apart from a certain morbid curiosity, especially since the scuttlebutt says it's gonna completely ignore all the other films.Diane Lane, OK fine, Henry Cavill, he looks pretty good, Kevin Costner... ugh, could we get someone that could actually act, please? And from the trailers of Snyder's "Sucker Punch"... yikes. Thing looks like a videogame cutscene, just like Avatar. Ugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 I'm sadly not looking forward to the new film, apart from a certain morbid curiosity, especially since the scuttlebutt says it's gonna completely ignore all the other films.That's the idea behind a reboot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,000 Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 That might actually be the best thing about it.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 Michael Giacchino would be a great choice.Seconded.No Elfman please. I can't hear those bouncy string runs in a Superman movie. Not even in a "serious" "reboot". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 I'd support Elfman, but in his "beautiful dramatic music" side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,000 Posted March 21, 2011 Share Posted March 21, 2011 I'd support any talented composer to do write a proper timeless music (it doesn't matter who) and any producer/director with some taste and common sense. I am still optimistic. Still.Karol - today's Captain Obvious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 It won't be traditionally scored. There won't be any sad strings with French horns when ma Kent cries over the dead body of her husband or slapstick music when goofy Clark Kent keeps rotating the revolving doors of The Daily Planet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 Nope, it'll be full of heavy percussion (THIS SCENE IS INTENSE BECAUSE THERE'S DRUMMING) and lots of heavy metal riffage and power chords. And at least 40% will be "borrowed" from Elliot Goldenthal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,331 Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 Absolutely not! It's not Avatar! I think it will be Glassy. Koyaanisqatsie ... Is it a bird? ... Koyaanisqatsie ... Is it a plane? ... And when goofie Clark is trapped in the revolving doors of The Daily Planet, we will hear endless orchestral arpeggios accompanying the slow movement of the door. Meanwhile General Zod is approaching Earth ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,000 Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 It won't be traditionally scored. There won't be any sad strings with French horns when ma Kent cries over the dead body of her husband or slapstick music when goofy Clark Kent keeps rotating the revolving doors of The Daily Planet.Who says he's even going to die? I don't remember that happening in the comic book.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 I'd be perfectly happy with Elfman.Michael Giacchino would be a great choice.I guess the next composer suggested will be Alexandre Desplat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 I'd be perfectly happy with Elfman.Michael Giacchino would be a great choice.I guess the next composer suggested will be Alexandre Desplat Who would you suggest then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 Admit it Alex, at least Avatar's score was better than anything Zimmer turns out these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 I'd be perfectly happy with Elfman.Michael Giacchino would be a great choice.I guess the next composer suggested will be Alexandre Desplat Then we'd get an opening title with a solo piano waltz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brónach 1,302 Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 Bernard Herrmann! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,000 Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 Leonard Rosenman would be a superb choice. Just imagine the main title with chorus chanting: Su-per-man!Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 126 Posted March 22, 2011 Share Posted March 22, 2011 I'd be perfectly happy with Elfman.Michael Giacchino would be a great choice.I guess the next composer suggested will be Alexandre Desplat Who would you suggest then?I think the fact those names are named so often shows how few options there are nowadays.I would go for Woijiech Kilar, Ilan Eshkeri, Edward Shearmur or Brian Tyler. Or Randy Newman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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