KK 3,307 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Powell defines mediocrity in film music? You sure we're talking about the same composer here?He's not wrong.What CLASSIC scores has Powell done?What does that mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 What has he done that can stand alongside the best of JW, Goldsmith, Herrmann, Rozsa, etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightscape94 965 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 How to Train Your Dragon is probably as close as he's likely to get. Not a bad effort, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 What has he done that can stand alongside the best of JW, Goldsmith, Herrmann, Rozsa, etc?I don't think Desplat, Giacchino, Elfman, Young, Marianelli, Arnold, Silvestri, etc have yet to write anything that stands along the maestros' best. I had no idea these were all mediocre composers... A. A. Ron and Koray Savas 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 They are if you're an old fart! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 What has he done that can stand alongside the best of JW, Goldsmith, Herrmann, Rozsa, etc? I don't think Desplat, Giacchino, Elfman, Young, Marianelli, Arnold, Silvestri, etc have yet to write anything that stands along the maestros' best. I had no idea these were all mediocre composers...You think Powell has written music as popular and influentual as Silvestri or Elfman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Relating to a previous thread, i don't have much John Powell cues saved in best of compilations Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 So music now has to be as popular and influential as Silvestri's, Elfman's or Williams' in order to be good?Not at all. But Silvestri and Elfman are already a step down from Williams, Goldsmith and Herrmann, and Powell is a step down from that, isnt he basically third rate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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publicist 4,643 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 So music now has to be as popular and influential as Silvestri's, Elfman's or Williams' in order to be good?Not at all. But Silvestri and Elfman are already a step down from Williams, Goldsmith and Herrmann, and Powell is a step down from that, isnt he basically third rate?With a few exceptions, i don't think Silvestri is better. Elfman sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 But it's the few exceptions that ultimately count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Maybe, maybe not. Powell has written more interesting music in the 2000's. He just wasn't there in 1985. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Elfman and Silvestri are normally reliable composers who produce solid work that supports the film well and makes for a good listen on CD. But both have occasionally had scores that rise above that. And it's those few scores that cemented their reputation and enhanced their careers.Powell is also a reliable composer who has produced consistently effective and entertaining music, but didnt really have that smash hit that he will be remembered for. A Batman or BTTF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Stefan, i don't rate scores by their general popularity. BATMAN i don't find that great and just say for the record that there are select Powell cues (from BOURNE, MR. & MRS. SMITH, ICE AGE 3, KUNG FU PANDA, HANCOCK, HTTYD) i rate more highly.I wish Silvestri would write an animation score as inspired as MARS NEEDS MOMS... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Well, I have to agree that batman is possibly the most overrated orchestral score ever. But I realize I'm an minority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 I much prefer BATMAN RETURNS but the Goldenthal takes the cake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 What has he done that can stand alongside the best of JW, Goldsmith, Herrmann, Rozsa, etc?I don't think Desplat, Giacchino, Elfman, Young, Marianelli, Silvestri, etc have yet to write anything that stands along the maestros' best. I had no idea these were all mediocre composers...Well said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,683 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Well, I have to agree that batman is possibly the most overrated orchestral score ever. But I realize I'm an minority.I saw the film a year or two ago and felt no need to own the soundtrack afterwards. I'm with you.My problem with Powell is an odd one - he has such a strong style which is tied to either animation or textural/percussion material, that it seems difficult for him to break out and do something more mainstream.Even X-Men 3 feels oddly restrained. Maybe it's that he doesn't do concert suites or 'theme' tracks on his CDs (and that some recent ones have a billion tracks) and it makes it feel less like music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,345 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 How to Train Your Dragon is probably as close as he's likely to get. Not a bad effort, though.Even though its Co-wrote with HGW, Chicken Run is closer IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Horton Hears A Who! Sharkissimo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Do you wanna buy my signed copy, Koray? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,345 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Eh, Horton didn't do it for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Sure.100 Euro! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 I liked this movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Horton is good, but his cue is by far the best. I want a whole score like this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Strong Mario Nascimbene influence, with a bit of Welcome to the Pleasuredome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Links please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 5:16 6:44 2:27 Muad'Dib 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 What has he done that can stand alongside the best of JW, Goldsmith, Herrmann, Rozsa, etc? I don't think Desplat, Giacchino, Elfman, Young, Marianelli, Arnold, Silvestri, etc have yet to write anything that stands along the maestros' best. I had no idea these were all mediocre composers...You think Powell has written music as popular and influentual as Silvestri or Elfman?To be honest, I find Powell a more interesting composer than Silvestri.And this is where we seem to differ Steef, I don't find popularity as a measure of quality. It's a tough world out there if every composer is expected to write something like Star Wars to be considered a good composer. Does the fact that most people in the public have never heard a note of The Red Violin make Corigliano a mediocre composer?Also, popularity has a lot to do with the kind of films the composers are scoring. Considering Powell has mostly been scoring mediocre films and animated stuff, I don't think he ever had a big chance to resonate with the mainstream audience. And yet his stuff for Bourne was quite popular and influential in its own way. But that's irrelevant to me. Good music is good music, and you don't have to be the next John Williams to make it to my list. Koray Savas 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Spot on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 Oh shut up Koray! You love everything! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 That's what they tell me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted April 24, 2014 Share Posted April 24, 2014 The voices in your head?I have them too.But I ignore them and just keep killing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,000 Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 Part 2 of the FSM interview is now up (for subscribers, obviously). In it, Tim Burden talk about John's film scoring hiatus, infamous The Spitfire Audio interview, online fanbase (just a bit) and, most extensively, about his concert works (past, present and future). Good listen.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 I like composers who talk about themselves. It's nice to know something about them as actual humans. Too bad JW is too "shy" to ever give interviews like this.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,345 Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 Nice to have you back TGP, some guy named Who? had to fill the void. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted June 17, 2014 Share Posted June 17, 2014 Hope he did ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 No! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KK 3,307 Posted June 18, 2014 Share Posted June 18, 2014 Who? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,345 Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZtvV1RuqFo&feature=youtu.be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted July 29, 2014 Share Posted July 29, 2014 Zimmer confirmed for Kung Fu Panda 3, no word yet on if Powell will return as wellhttp://filmmusicreporter.com/2014/07/25/hans-zimmer-to-return-for-kung-fu-panda-3/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 Nice. I'm guessing a no go for Powell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted July 30, 2014 Share Posted July 30, 2014 Well according to Hans-Zimmer.com Powell is returning too but apparently Hans can't confirm it yet, so we'll have to wait and see.However, according to that very same page most of the second score seems to be written in heavy collaboration with both composers' assistants. I have the theory that this was due to rewrites of the score at the last minute as I seem to recall some early clips of the movie with different music. One of the cues that's pure Powell though is Po Finds the Truth which I always thought was pure Zimmer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon Hill 4,234 Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Anyone know any reason why he would be in NYC this week? Could have sworn I just saw him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Maybe it was Michael. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted October 9, 2014 Share Posted October 9, 2014 Well I was in NY but in May, maybe it was a delayed reaction? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,000 Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 A cool interview - gotta love the guy (courtesy of Kaya Savas' Film Music Media): You can hear some X-Men:The Last Stand chorus (and origin of lyrics): Karol SafeUnderHill and Muad'Dib 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 That was bloody fanastic! Thank you so much for sharing!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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