Hlao-roo 388 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2008/oct/0...sicandopera.usaIt is sometimes claimed that the best classical composers are working in the film industry: Morricone, John Williams, even Andrew Lloyd Webber. Previn worked on the scoring for the film version of Jesus Christ Superstar, as a favour to his friend Norman Jewison, who directed. "I'm not a great fan of Lloyd Webber's. He doesn't need me to be a fan. Believe me." And the others? He winces. "John Williams is without question talented. He writes very good scores and very good melodies and all that. But, no, of the others ... You know, when I hear Titanic - James Horner - which was a huge hit, it's the same 16 bars played 185 times. It's not interesting." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,017 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 He sounds kind of cranky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 Not very interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Williamsfan301 11 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 He sounds kinda right on the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 Titanic is a brilliant score! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Williamsfan301 11 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 If you like synth voices and a horse faced Canadian woman singing at you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,017 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 At least he was right about John Williams.... (and I do agree with his comments on "The Titanic") Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,548 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 I agree with Previn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitch 55 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 He's only cranky because he's now divorced 2 years from his violinist trophy wife, Anne-Sophie Mutter. Sources quoted in the reports indicated that the reason the marriage ran into trouble was that the aging Previn (77 at the time )was unable to keep up with the extremely busy and peripatetic schedule that Mutter (43 at the time), as one of the most in-demand instrumental soloists on the scene, maintains. He probably just couldn't get a sniffy fast enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 If you like synth voices and a horse faced Canadian woman singing at you.Synth voices are one of the things that makes this score stand out.It did not sell 25 million copies for no reason! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scissorhands 16 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 He conducted a wonderful concert last night in Boston, premiering his newest work "Owls", which is in the vein of his classic works like A Streetcar Named Desire. It was really beautiful.I have to agree with him, the best composers are not working in Hollywood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitch 55 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 And beating John Williams' synth Star Wars score in the process Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AC1 3,565 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 Titanic is a brilliant score ...... if you like kitsch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitch 55 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 I prefer liquor myself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AC1 3,565 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 The funny thing is I told Steef today that, when it comes to film music, I like John Williams but not so much his competition. Could it be that I am André Previn?! Wow, that would mean that my wife is the best violinist in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,017 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 John Williams has no competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 The funny thing is I told Steef today that, when it comes to film music, I like John Williams but not so much his competition. Could it be that I am André Previn?! Wow, that would mean that my wife is the best violinist in the world.I considered it, but ultimatly rejected the notion.Previn has better things to do then come here and act sour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitch 55 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 He is a bitter old man but is a loyal Williams supporter for a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 Alex or Previn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 859 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 Previn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitch 55 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 Actually I was referring to both Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,391 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 I'm a fan of the Titanic score, indeed I think it is brilliant, but Previn probably still has a point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AC1 3,565 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 The funny thing is I told Steef today that, when it comes to film music, I like John Williams but not so much his competition. Could it be that I am André Previn?! Wow, that would mean that my wife is the best violinist in the world.I considered it, but ultimatly rejected the notion.Previn has better things to do then come here and act sour.Just because I and Previn think you have a kitschy taste doesn't mean we are sour, Steef. You keep confusing these two very different things.He is a bitter old man but is a loyal Williams supporter for a long time.I showed you a picture of his wife and still you are able to say this? You must be gay, Alfred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 Just because I and Previn think you have a kitschy taste doesn't mean we are sour, Steef. You keep confusing these two very different things.Oh yeah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 85 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 I agree with PrevinPrevin is right. Besides, he is an excellent conductor and a pretty talented composer himself.Titanic was hugely popular, but not great and far from brilliant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 That's just your opinion, man!And you know what Clint Eastwood said about those! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixie_twinkle 44 Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 He sounds kinda right on the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arathornion33 0 Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 Previn is quite right. I never enjoyed Titanic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 9 Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 He's only cranky because he's now divorced 2 years from his violinist trophy wife, Anne-Sophie Mutter. Sources quoted in the reports indicated that the reason the marriage ran into trouble was that the aging Previn (77 at the time )was unable to keep up with the extremely busy and peripatetic schedule that Mutter (43 at the time), as one of the most in-demand instrumental soloists on the scene, maintains. He probably just couldn't get a sniffy fast enough. And he still hasn't gotten over Woody Allen Shagging both his ex-wife and his adopted daughter...the man's got a lot to be cranky about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,442 Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 Titanic is a guilty pleasure. It's a really good score that will forever be best (worst?) remembered for the Celine Dion song, which will always be adored by legions of teenage girls everywhere, and for the sappy romantic epic for which it was scored. The movie's ok once in a while every few years, but I still appreciate the score for its interesting and beautiful moments. Derivative Horner or not, his 90s output was still good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Williamsfan301 11 Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 When Titanic opened up, I had a friend who was just frantic about it's opening. All she talked about was Titanic this and Titanic that. Finally, one day at lunch, we were all so done with hearing about Titanic that I looked at her and said "Ya know, I hate to tell you how the movie ends, but the ship sinks." Her responce: "Really!?"True story... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,017 Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 Wow.EDIT: See avatar for facial expression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,442 Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 Then she should watch Samuel L. Jackson's guide to the plot of the movie:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cbotyjw8pk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 480 Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 When Titanic opened up, I had a friend who was just frantic about it's opening. All she talked about was Titanic this and Titanic that. Finally, one day at lunch, we were all so done with hearing about Titanic that I looked at her and said "Ya know, I hate to tell you how the movie ends, but the ship sinks." Her responce: "Really!?"True story...I never got that joke. Of course the ship sinks. They show you the frickin' wreck at the beginning of the movie! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,442 Posted October 7, 2008 Share Posted October 7, 2008 Wow that's deep. I never thought of that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,765 Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 Pervin' on Williams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,064 Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 He's a grumpy old never-even-has-been who is bitter at his own inability to adapt to the changing sensibilities of western music. Please bring on the claims that Previn is highly renowned amongst the 6 people in the world who are classical purists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 388 Posted October 23, 2008 Author Share Posted October 23, 2008 http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.p...toryId=95915254Commentator Miles Hoffman offers a classical variation on a political theme: insults and endorsements among the great composers. Invectives hurled at their colleagues and competitors were effective means of shaping public opinion. Whether positive, negative or the all-too-common flip-flop, classical-music criticism, just like political commentary, is little more than biased opinion in time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maglorfin 195 Posted October 23, 2008 Share Posted October 23, 2008 Titanic is a guilty pleasure. It's a really good score that will forever be best (worst?) remembered for the Celine Dion song, which will always be adored by legions of teenage girls everywhere, and for the sappy romantic epic for which it was scored. The movie's ok once in a while every few years, but I still appreciate the score for its interesting and beautiful moments.Perfectly written and agreed with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morn 7 Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 He is right on the money. But Williams is not the only talented guy in film music, Previn needs to listen to Morricone too. And...Well I think most of the composers on par with Williams are dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AC1 3,565 Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 He is right on the money. But Williams is not the only talented guy in film music, Previn needs to listen to Morricone too. And...Well I think most of the composers on par with Williams are dead.Of course, Williams isn't the only talented composer in the business, but his work is musically complex enough (in full command of the symphonic idiom) to stand on its own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morn 7 Posted October 24, 2008 Share Posted October 24, 2008 Lots of film music stands on it's own. Maybe it won't necessarily have a traditional symphonic development or structure, but people don't generally listen to music for it's form. Rather for the emotion, melody, harmony, orchestration and rhythm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AC1 3,565 Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 Lots of film music stands on it's own. Maybe it won't necessarily have a traditional symphonic development or structure, but people don't generally listen to music for it's form. Rather for the emotion, melody, harmony, orchestration and rhythm. Maybe you're right when we're talking about people in general. I always have a tendency to favor music that is ambitious in a way or that has a certain complexity. I think most film music doesn't survive when removed from its context. Heck, I think most film music isn't all that interesting during the movie. It's the reason why I have very little film music, other than John Williams, of course. Morricone is a man whom I certainly admire but I get tired of his music very rapidly. He writes music that is instantly likable but that somehow wears off quickly too. It's not as explorable as the music of Williams or Stravinsky.Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,765 Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 What about Jerry?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desplat13 1 Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 What about him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitch 55 Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 He's dead, Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desplat13 1 Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 That's 'Sir Colin' to you, Hitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitch 55 Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 Take one step onto those tracks and wait for the next train to arrive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desplat13 1 Posted October 25, 2008 Share Posted October 25, 2008 Words of wisdom indeed, Mr. Stefano! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morn 7 Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Lots of film music stands on it's own. Maybe it won't necessarily have a traditional symphonic development or structure, but people don't generally listen to music for it's form. Rather for the emotion, melody, harmony, orchestration and rhythm. Maybe you're right when we're talking about people in general. I always have a tendency to favor music that is ambitious in a way or that has a certain complexity. I think most film music doesn't survive when removed from its context. Heck, I think most film music isn't all that interesting during the movie. It's the reason why I have very little film music, other than John Williams, of course. Morricone is a man whom I certainly admire but I get tired of his music very rapidly. He writes music that is instantly likable but that somehow wears off quickly too. It's not as explorable as the music of Williams or Stravinsky.Alex Ohh I fully agree. I was just question the value of a strict structure like a concerto or symphony. Film music can be very complex but is more... free following. And there are many great film composers beside Williams, mostly all dead now though. Korngold, rozsa, north, herrmann, goldsmith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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