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It was only a matter of time...   The Adventures of Han: https://www.halleonard.com/product/4492354/the-adventures-of-han?subsiteid=1 Han Solo and the Princess: https://www.halleonard.c

OK, I'm trying to procrastinate and avoid some boring work I've got to do, so I've gone through all the JW recordings I can find (plus some others) to see exactly which version happens where and when:

My copy arrived in the mail yesterday. Sad that it took so long, since it's actually a quite good piano album, maybe the best of the ST, yet few people seem to care about that now, 4 months after the

Just got three from Presto Music: Bassoon conc, Sabrina, Three holiday songs. The concerto in particular is great to have - I find I get much more out of music (especially complex or challenging music) if I can see the score as well.

 

Put in a request for the Star Wars Suite for a Christmas present too!

 

Mark

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2 hours ago, QuartalHarmony said:

Just got three from Presto Music: Bassoon conc, Sabrina, Three holiday songs. The concerto in particular is great to have - I find I get much more out of music (especially complex or challenging music) if I can see the score as well.

 

Put in a request for the Star Wars Suite for a Christmas present too!

 

Mark

Question about the holiday songs: does Merry Christmas really open with that fanfare intro that's inferior to the instrumental intro on the expanded OSTs in every way?

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I don't have any of the HA2 releases, so don't know the fanfare you're referring to, but neither of the first two arrangements in Three Holiday Songs (Somewhere in.. and Star of...) corresponds with any of the tracks on the HA OST, so possibly the same goes for MC, MC. That said, the 8-bar intro in the sheet music does look quite, erm, fanfare-y.

 

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On 11/11/2020 at 2:11 PM, Joe Brausam said:

I wonder if its just a case of publishers slowing down because orchestra libraries aren’t buying right now, due to pandemic and lack of performances.

 

I think that's the most logical reason. I guess it will be out when orchestras will fully resume activities and concerts, hopefully next year.

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I wish we could find out the exact publishing date of the Suite from TFA and The Rebellion is Reborn, because as far as I remember, they were published quite soon after the film's release. If this had applied to TROS I think they would already have published it before the virus started to set in. But again, this whole arguments depends on my wonky memory...

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4 hours ago, carlborg said:

I wish we could find out the exact publishing date of the Suite from TFA and The Rebellion is Reborn, because as far as I remember, they were published quite soon after the film's release. If this had applied to TROS I think they would already have published it before the virus started to set in.


Hal Leonard’s TFA suite was previewed at a convention in late-December 2015, and available to order by early February: 

 

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I’ve had a very pleasant hour or so playing various tracks with my new Christmas presents - Hal Leonard editions of Adventures on Earth, SW suite and HP1. A couple of questions have occurred to me:

 

1) When was the Throne Room theme quotation added towards the end of the SW Main (bars 183-4) and End Title (bars 193-4) concert versions? It’s not on the 1983 Utah SO recording, but is on the 1990 Skywalker SO recording.

 

2) From HP1 are there any recordings conducted by JW of  The Sorcerer’s Stone or Nimbus 2000? I’ve found the Prague Phil version of the latter but no versions of the former show up on Spotify. Is it a retitled version of something on the OST?

 

Thanks,

 

Mark

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14 hours ago, BrotherSound said:

 

 

This version uses the throne room ending in both places. I believe the first recording to use this version was the Skywalker Symphony/Williams recording, so it may have been a change made at the sessions that was then incorporated when the Hal Leonard suite was first published.

 

If I'm reading it right, the original question was about the MAIN TITLE using the Throne Room ending, in which case I think Williams' 1980 recording with the Boston Pops (from "Pops in Space") might be the first?  Erich Kunzel and the Cincinnati Pops used the same version for "Star Tracks" in 1984.

 

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Actually, it was both I was asking about - since the endings are otherwise identical, I suppose I was assuming the change would have been made simultaneously on both pieces. Obviously not! I should have checked my Boston Pops 1980 recording (on By Request), and I'd forgotten that the end credits to Jedi included it. It was clearly a change that was made much sooner than I imagined.

 

Thanks also for the HP confirmation - I've only got the single CD OST, so do I take it that my only option to have those two tracks conducted by JW is to buy the LLL set?

 

Mark

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21 hours ago, QuartalHarmony said:

Thanks also for the HP confirmation - I've only got the single CD OST, so do I take it that my only option to have those two tracks conducted by JW is to buy the LLL set?

 

I cannot think of any release of those pieces conducted by JW before the LLL set, no.  There are probably fan-made recordings of him conducting them in concerts on youtube somewhere, though

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1 hour ago, QuartalHarmony said:

Actually, it was both I was asking about - since the endings are otherwise identical, I suppose I was assuming the change would have been made simultaneously on both pieces. Obviously not! I should have checked my Boston Pops 1980 recording (on By Request), and I'd forgotten that the end credits to Jedi included it. It was clearly a change that was made much sooner than I imagined.

 

Mark


Indeed, thinking about how it’s inconsistently used in the Main Title recordings makes me wonder if the original published versions included it as an alternate ending.  After all, the original ending seems to be used whenever the recording also includes The Throne Room/End Title (Mehta, Gerhardt, Kojian...).  Perhaps to avoid the redundancy of identical endings?  At some point Williams may have just decided to go with the new ending for all versions.  

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2 hours ago, Matt S. said:

If I'm reading it right, the original question was about the MAIN TITLE using the Throne Room ending, in which case I think Williams' 1980 recording with the Boston Pops (from "Pops in Space") might be the first?  Erich Kunzel and the Cincinnati Pops used the same version for "Star Tracks" in 1984.

 
Hmm, interesting since these both precede the first publication of that version in 1997.

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6 minutes ago, Tom said:

I know this is going to sound dumb, but can someone give me a timestamp of where the Throne Room is quoted in the Main title--not the end, I know that one.  

He is talking about the ending of the end title, when it is combined with the opening title ala the 77 OST.

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2 hours ago, QuartalHarmony said:

OK, I'm trying to procrastinate and avoid some boring work I've got to do, so I've gone through all the JW recordings I can find (plus some others) to see exactly which version happens where and when:

 

1977, LSO/Williams (ANH OST): Throne Room theme not quoted on Main Title, nor on End Title.

1978, NPO/Gerhardt: no on Main, yes on End.

1978, LAPO/Mehta: no on Main, yes on End.

1980, Boston Pops/Williams: yes on Main Title, no Finale version on this recording

1983, LSO/Williams (ROTJ OST): no Main Title Suite version on this recording, yes on End ('Finale')

1983, Utah SO/Kojian: no on Main, yes on End ('Finale')

1990, Skywalker SO/Williams: yes on both

 

All recordings I can find since 1990 also consistently quote Throne Room.

 

So, depending on the recording dates (I don't have the CDs/vinyl to hand), the first example of the Throne Room quotation is either on Gerhardt or Mehta in 1978. The first time it was similarly used on the Main Title was 1980. The last version of either piece without a Throne Room quotation is Kojian's Main Title in 1983.

 

...or correct me if I'm wrong!

 

Mark

 

The Main Title recording by Paul Bateman and the City of Prague Philharmonic uses the 1977 OST ending.  I'm not sure when it was recorded, though; the earliest compilation I have with that performance was issued in 1995 ("Schindler's List: The Classic Film Music of John Williams")

 

https://www.amazon.com/Schindlers-List-Classic-Williams-Anthology/dp/B000004BPY/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&keywords=Schindler's+List+the+classic+film+music+of+John+Williams&qid=1609174112&sr=8-1

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Yes - for the avoidance of doubt, I'm talking about the passage in the concert suite version of the Main Title immediately after the strings play a heavily modified version of the Rebel Fanfare. It occurs at the following times:

 

OST (no Throne Room quotation): track 1, 5:00

Skywalker SO (with quotation): track 1, 5:16

 

Mark

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