Ollie 1,059 Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 Honestly you shouldn't discuss anything related to bootlegs or filesharing.Seriously you hang out way to much in forums where record producers actually post and are acting like your sucking up to them big time . For the rest of the internet I hope we can retain a bit more free speech. I have no problems with banning links but there is a limit.Besides ,all these insider showbiz people get free advance copies ,trade promos freely ,have more boots in their collection than the rest of us combined while at the same time want to send "regular people" to hell for D/L a leaked copy even if we plan to buy the music later. Seriously,what makes "Jeff" at intrada so special of a human beeing (besides working at the right place) that he can listen to the set 2 weeks before the rest of us .He didn't even make a comprehensive review of it.When you start living in the real world and quit living in the fantasy world of film music must bow to KM then I'll have an adult conversation with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 Those people basicaly do not want you to do anything with your media . Basically you can only play it in the format you buy it in . A DVD played in a DVD player,that's it . You can't do anything else, including recording the audio for some other purpose. If they could record companies would make MP3 players and ipods illegal ,and I think they tried or are still trying to do so.Okay this is the last straw all your DRM propaganda bullpoo it is very tiring...I'm putting you on ignore, as far this thread goes...I'll pop in and say high when I get my copy of the Indy box set next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 I don't see this MB as really connected to the "real world" . Maybe that's just my perception of it at 3 AM in my appartment alone trading PM's on how you can edit the Filharmonics 2 track with a DVD rip of the ToD end Credits to make a substitute film version. Would I even mention THAT to anyone I know in real life? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 Funny, that's the exact conversation I had with the hot new girl at work today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjguitar 0 Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 Who want's Ray's job? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 I dunno most of my PM's with other members are about real world stuff and I'm not on the message board at 3:00 am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 I don't see this MB as really connected to the "real world" . Maybe that's just my perception of it at 3 AM in my appartment alone trading PM's on how you can edit the Filharmonics 2 track with a DVD rip of the ToD end Credits to make a substitute film version. Would I even mention THAT to anyone I know in real life?Probably your wife/girlfriend if you have one. I'm sure she would like to know what you are doing on the computer at 3:00 AM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 As someone who is married I can tell you that if I'm up at 3:00 am, posting at JWFAN is the last thing I'm doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 If I'm posting at 3 AM, it means it's my turn on the overnight rotation at work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 If I'm posting at 3 AM, it means my dog's asleep and the gin ran out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 So, how many seconds have been edited from the complete "Desert Chase"? (And thoses "EBayers" got vicious a few minutes ago.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 If I'm posting at 3 AM, it means my dog's asleep and the gin ran out. "But why is the rum gone?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 So, how many seconds have been edited from the complete "Desert Chase"? (And thoses "EBayers" got vicious a few minutes ago.)Well the full Desert Chase runs 8:15..... and no one here actually has the set yet to know for sure, but the times posted to the online sites say it'll be 7:31. However, it was 7:41 on the OST so it's either a new edit or a typo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 I would think that it would be the latter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 If I'm posting at 3 AM, it means my dog's asleep and the gin ran out. Midnight well,it's Insomnia time again On another note 1 Week untill the Box is released!!!!!!!!!!The only thing to worry about are Amazon or concord distribution problems . Oh no one of their c.d. pressing machines is broken!!K.M, noticing the MB clock is 10 minutes behind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 Oh, jeez.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,792 Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 I would think that it would be the latter.I has to be the latter. How could they release a even more shortened version that is not the OST one since that's what they wanted to release and preserve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissPadmé 17 Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 making smoother edits i suppose Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 As someone who is married I can tell you that if I'm up at 3:00 am, posting at JWFAN is the last thing I'm doing. If I'm up at 3am it's usually because someone wants changing or feeding! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scallenger 481 Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 0:14:18-0:17:42 (3:34) Map / Out Of Fuel (3:21 on Concord)I just noticed there is a 13 second difference between the film length and the Concord track with this cue. I wonder what they cut out of it? If I would have to guess it could be the brief moment before the great map music actually starts where Indy and Willie Scott argue on the plane. What do you guys think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 The intro when Indy puts his hat over his face ? I hope not ,that's important and I was hoping it is there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,792 Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 Another cool cue dropped?Great...Why couldnt Jeff at intrada be a fan of these scores (TOD his holy grail? yeah, right)? We would have a complete analysis by now...If i was Concord, i would have sent one advance copy to Ricard. (and then i would hope ricard shared his thoughts with us... ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissPadmé 17 Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 sorry I just listened to the rear channels of TOD Finale and end credits.. I can't hear anything that is missing that isn't there in perfect quality without sfx!?!what is missing exactly? you guys seemed to copy/paste something from the RPO rec into that. RPO rec starts with the Indy theme (w/o introduction)and the shorty counterpoint is in there.. but it is also clean there in the DVD rear channels so please just for meThe track from d5 called:Return to the Village/Raiders March will feature the music after indy climbed the cliff and will stop where the RPO version starts.. yes ok but the beginning of the RPO plus shorty counterpoint is clean of any sfx on the DVD..what is missing what we can't have in original rec., because I don't get it.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 0:14:18-0:17:42 (3:34) Map / Out Of Fuel (3:21 on Concord)I just noticed there is a 13 second difference between the film length and the Concord track with this cue. I wonder what they cut out of it? If I would have to guess it could be the brief moment before the great map music actually starts where Indy and Willie Scott argue on the plane. What do you guys think?That's a typo. It's 3:24 in the film (14:18 -> 17:42)sorry I just listened to the rear channels of TOD Finale and end credits.. I can't hear anything that is missing that isn't there in perfect quality without sfx!?!what is missing exactly? you guys seemed to copy/paste something from the RPO rec into that. RPO rec starts with the Indy theme (w/o introduction)and the shorty counterpoint is in there.. but it is also clean there in the DVD rear channels so please just for meThe track from d5 called:Return to the Village/Raiders March will feature the music after indy climbed the cliff and will stop where the RPO version starts.. yes ok but the beginning of the RPO plus shorty counterpoint is clean of any sfx on the DVD..what is missing what we can't have in original rec., because I don't get it..There's nothing missing you can't get from the rears, but since king mark doesn't like rear channel rips for whatever reason he just to use the RPO performance for the beginning instead. He still switched to the "all channels" rip as soon as he could Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,300 Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 It's 3:20 in the film in my version? Admittedly it's PAL, but the difference is only 4%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissPadmé 17 Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 funny in my rearchannel rip PAL DVD it goes from rhythmic the string chords (crossfaded with the horn note from fast streets) to the beginning of slalom on mt humol13:43 - 16:57 = 3:14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,792 Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 OK so that part is not missing, pheeww.I would like to hear that rear channel part from the end credits...I thought there was people cries all over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissPadmé 17 Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 OK so that part is not missing, pheeww.I would like to hear that rear channel part from the end credits...I thought there was people cries all over it.yes it is but only in the part that will be in the last track of disc 5Ah but now I know what kingmark means: he wants to use rear and FRONT channels so he can get the best soundquality. and you can hear noise from the kids in the front channelsman no that I listen to Blood Ritual again.. I cannot understand how Kingmark doesn't care for that piece.. it must be the darkest music from the entire series.. for me it is the greatest dissapointment, that it isn't included! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 sorry I just listened to the rear channels of TOD Finale and end credits.. I can't hear anything that is missing that isn't there in perfect quality without sfx!?!what is missing exactly? you guys seemed to copy/paste something from the RPO rec into that. RPO rec starts with the Indy theme (w/o introduction)and the shorty counterpoint is in there.. but it is also clean there in the DVD rear channels so please just for meThe track from d5 called:Return to the Village/Raiders March will feature the music after indy climbed the cliff and will stop where the RPO version starts.. yes ok but the beginning of the RPO plus shorty counterpoint is clean of any sfx on the DVD..what is missing what we can't have in original rec., because I don't get it..you shall find out now! the first 15 seconds of the DVD rip film version has children cheering . NO REAR channel rip, the only acceptable quality is ALL channel rip if it is to be included as a semi-definitive version The problem with the RPO performance is the Indy/Shorty Interpolation .In the Williams recording Short Round's theme is much more to the surface and the Indy fanfare is to the background Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,300 Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 Well a Raiders prototype leaked. Keep up the hope!I think the stuff about the "logic" and "science" of assembling these albums in a load of hogwash though. There's clearly no such science behind the assembly of the tracks on Disc 5, so they could easily have included the more listenable and interesting tracks as opposed to "The Secret Tunnel" (the bridge percussion is the most logical choice, here, but I can see Williams having vetoed that personally -- he discusses the secret bug tunnel "music" specifically on the DVD, so it must be a personal favourite of his, a bit like "Scorpions" over "Warehouse Escape"). All of the bonus Crusade cues are lovely, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 NO REAR channel rip, the only acceptable quality is ALL channel rip if it is to be included as a semi-definitive versionAn opinion, not a fact.... and one that many here do not share. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 I just re-listened to Road to Berlin,Berlin Air Terminal (To the Blimp) , The Blimp Turns Around on the boot. Amazing stuff!!!Still don't see what the fuss is over Bridge Percussions and A True BelieverNO REAR channel rip, the only acceptable quality is ALL channel rip if it is to be included as a semi-definitive versionAn opinion, not a fact.... and one that many here do not share.this could be an exception. Rear Channel rips is something I still haven't figured out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 NO REAR channel rip, the only acceptable quality is ALL channel rip if it is to be included as a semi-definitive versionAn opinion, not a fact.... and one that many here do not share.In the case of ToD, I can't hear much difference between the rear channels and the full mix. There's no reason not to use them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 well ok then, I didn't know you could get that segment clean from a rear channel rip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissPadmé 17 Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 well ok then, I didn't know you could get that segment clean from a rear channel ripand you call yourself a fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 but your version is PAL speed!!!Ok anyone has this rear channel rip in US version? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissPadmé 17 Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 but your version is PAL speed!!!Ok anyone has this rear channel rip in US version?still it is a shame that you didn't know by the way I can make it slower and deeper (one half tone) without any loss of quality in a few seconds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 yeah I tried to slow it but somehow I get some crackes and can't get to quite match. (I notice more the difference between this rear Rip/OST than RPO/full channel Rip/OST)We shall see when I have optimal material ,if I keep this or my other edit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 Why couldnt Jeff at intrada be a fan of these scores (TOD his holy grail? yeah, right)? We would have a complete analysis by now...Probably because he's busy listening to the music instead of wasting his time talking about it.Plus I believe he's in charge or works in the shipping department at Intrada and is more than likely a little busy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 NO REAR channel rip, the only acceptable quality is ALL channel rip if it is to be included as a semi-definitive versionAn opinion, not a fact.... and one that many here do not share.this could be an exception. Rear Channel rips is something I still haven't figured outThey certainly vary from film to film. Sometimes there are loads of sound effects over them, sometimes they are mostly clean. Sometimes even when they are clean, the music sounds distant and has no bass. However, in the case of TOD, at the very least "Shanghai 1935", the "Fast Streets" insert, "The Starving Village", and "End Credits" can be ripped completely cleanly and sound just great. Of course, in the case of End Credits, you still want to switch to the all channel rip as soon as you can.by the way I can make it slower and deeperThat's what she said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 but your version is PAL speed!!!Ok anyone has this rear channel rip in US version?still it is a shame that you didn't know by the way I can make it slower and deeper (one half tone) without any loss of quality in a few secondsYep, I tried this as well the other day and it worked just fine. Can't wait to start editing properly... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 I kind of get a degradation slowing it down and the whole thing sounds much worse than my RPO edit . I still will see with a US rip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 yeah I tried to slow it but somehow I get some crackes and can't get to quite match. (I notice more the difference between this rear Rip/OST than RPO/full channel Rip/OST)I thought you were in an NTSC region mark? Where do you live? Yep, I tried this as well the other day and it worked just fine. Can't wait to start editing properly... All you PAL guys should be using R1 NTSC rips, and not artificually slowing down a PAL dvd that was already artificially sped up. I'll make R1 NTSC rips available to anyone who wants them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 yes,I'm in Canada. I got my temp rip from Padme who's in EuropeLike I said I don't know how to rip it myself (I tried Steef's old guide a long time ago but it never worked.I couldn't get seperate WAVE files to be outputted)ok the transition sort of work if you cut it just before the B theme Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 I'll make R1 NTSC rips available to anyone who wants themThanks! I'll PM you when I'll be in need of those (more or less in a week or so ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 I would not mind.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissPadmé 17 Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 how about the rear channel rips of:"Packet from Dad""Inscription on the Rock"I never checked TLC atleast the second one must sound perfect.. no sfx in the background ust two people talking, or can you hear the party from nextdoor? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 how about the rear channel rips of:"Packet from Dad""Inscription on the Rock"I never checked TLC atleast the second one must sound perfect.. no sfx in the background ust two people talking, or can you hear the party from nextdoor?I have yet to rip TLC to my hard drive to check that stuff out. Hopefully some missing cues can be ripped clean, since the boot has fairly poor quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,625 Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 Ok so now the only question is whether to use the first 15 seconds of End Credits from REAR channel DVD rip OR RPO performanceMiss Padme's rip gives me a fairly good approximation of the final sound and I'm still not convinced this is the way to go .Despite beeing clear,the rear channel rip has an "echo-y " quality that is more jarring than using the RPO segment IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 Ok so now the only question is whether to use the first 15 seconds of End Credits from REAR channel DVD rip OR RPO performanceMiss Padme's rip gives me a fairly good approximation of the final sound and I'm still not convinced this is the way to go .Despite beeing clear,the rear channel rip has an "echo-y " quality that is more jarring than using the RPO segment.Wait till you hear my R1 rips Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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