Ollie 859 Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081220/music_...u821U2V6N5xFb8CI imagine KM will blow a gasket on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 317 Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 Why won't that dying dinosaur just die all ready? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 152 Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 Why won't that dying dinosaur just die all ready?What? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 317 Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 Oh oops...I mis-read it. Well it's about time they ended the lawsuits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,765 Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 They've run out of money to spend on law firms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 388 Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 Why won't that dying dinosaur just die all ready?Now, now, KM isn't that old. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 317 Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 Why won't that dying dinosaur just die all ready?Now, now, KM isn't that old.I was referring to the RIAA, not KM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 859 Posted December 20, 2008 Author Share Posted December 20, 2008 They are ending the lawsuits because now they will be going after you via your isp's with the help of your internet provider. That's if they are ones who have agreed to help the RIAA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,765 Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 Australian ISPs too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 317 Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 They are ending the lawsuits because now they will be going after you via your isp's with the help of your internet provider. That's if they are ones who have agreed to help the RIAA.I thought it was illegal for the IPS's to give them confidential information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 388 Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 They are ending the lawsuits because now they will be going after you via your isp's with the help of your internet provider.Isn't the phrase "with the help of your internet provider" redundant in this sentence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,765 Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 They are ending the lawsuits because now they will be going after you via your isp's with the help of your internet provider. That's if they are ones who have agreed to help the RIAA.I thought it was illegal for the IPS's to give them confidential information.Familiar with the PATRIOT ACT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 2,924 Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 I've never used P2P file sharing programs (limewire,bittorrent..ect..) ,which I suppose is the only thing that is " traceable " by the RIAA I've never read any evidence that anyone (including the RIAA and your ISP) can control or trace downloaded files and folders from online storage sites like Rapidshare or Megaupload, which are handled by your browser's download manager (correct me if I am mistaken). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 152 Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 What is an ISP anyways? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,765 Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 Internet Service Provider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 317 Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 ISP = Internet Service Provider.....DUH.Edit: Drax and I must have posted at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 2,924 Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 Internet Service Provider...whoever you pay the bill to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 859 Posted December 20, 2008 Author Share Posted December 20, 2008 Internet service provider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 388 Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 Internet Service Provider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,765 Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 I win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 388 Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 Internet Service Provider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 859 Posted December 20, 2008 Author Share Posted December 20, 2008 Apparently it's not illegal for them to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 152 Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 Internet Service Provider.Ah, thanks.ISP = Internet Service Provider.....DUH.Ah, thanks (but I could do without your sass! ).Internet Service Provider...whoever you pay the bill to.Ah, thanks.Internet service provider.Ah, thanks.Internet Service Provider.Ah, thanks.Internet Service Provider.Ah, thanks.I win. So...what's an Internet Service Provider? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 2,924 Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 Downloading is still legal in Canada. First they'd have to change the federal laws,then the RIAA would have to implement their crap into our country with Canadian ISP's . It won't be anytime soon and if there is some sort of regulation they would probably only target "Canadian contents" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,765 Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 So...what's an Internet Service Provider?Who pays the bills at your house?Downloading is still legal in Canada. First they'd have to change the federal laws,then the RIAA would have to implement their crap into our country with Canadian ISP's . It won't be anytime soon.With the North American Union on the horizon, they'll be able to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 152 Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 Wow...lots of posts.So...what's an Internet Service Provider?Who pays the bills at your house?The magic elves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,765 Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 Give my regards to Dobby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 152 Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 He says hi back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 388 Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 Wow...lots of posts.How many JWFAN members does it take to... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 27,216 Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 Internet Service Provider Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 152 Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 Ah, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 Internet Service Provider Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docteur Qui 1,248 Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 Interconnected Sewerage Plant.Or was it Internet Service Provider? I can never remember.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 Something I've never been clear on is if they can "get" you just by downloading songs, or if you have to be sharing material from your own computer to be detected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 317 Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 Something I've never been clear on is if they can "get" you just by downloading songs, or if you have to be sharing material from your own computer to be detected.That's just it most of the lawsuits they filed most of the time they have provided false information or no proof at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 2,924 Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 Something I've never been clear on is if they can "get" you just by downloading songs, or if you have to be sharing material from your own computer to be detected. A bit of google searching explains it .These geeks seem to make sense and reflect what I said earlier:http://forums.pearljam.com/showthread.php?...1365&page=2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,095 Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 Maybe I should stop using LimeWire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,484 Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 Something I've never been clear on is if they can "get" you just by downloading songs, or if you have to be sharing material from your own computer to be detected.Another good question is how they choose their potential victims. Someone who illegally downloaded 'How to steal a Million'? They had to know if it's illegal material in the first place. If the files aren't named 'Whitney Houston's Greatest Hits', it becomes all rather muddy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,765 Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 Someone who illegally downloaded 'How to steal a Million'?Interesting choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 152 Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,484 Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 Someone who illegally downloaded 'How to steal a Million'?Interesting choice.Á propos for this very board, i would think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 2,083 Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 Happy to hear they've finally realised blindly suing customers isn't the best public relations exercise you can do...But I'm still disappointed that none of these plebs has realised how much easier it would be to legalise file sharing and open up some sort of revenue stream for it.I would gladly pay a small 'royalty' to composers and labels for the music I've downloaded, and in fairness, 99p for a track I'll listen to maybe a hundred times is good value, but what I don't think is good value is £8 for a digital album, where a physical CD costs less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,284 Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 So in the end the RIAA thinks that downloading some music files is worse that get into the citizens privacy, which i think is a human civil right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Williamsfan301 11 Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 So in the end the RIAA thinks that downloading some music files is worse that get into the citizens privacy, which i think is a human civil right?Well, and there's the classic problem the recording industry has had since it's inception - once you buy an album, who owns what? It's only since the explosion of technology that this problem has become exasperated. Raging Capitalist that I am, I agree with Rich. If they were smart, they'd figure out a way to make money off of file sharing.OH!And!Internet Service Provider Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 2,083 Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 Yep, it's the technology that the RIAA doesn't like. During the 90s they were loving CDs, the lack of the net, and the fact that you couldn't just log on and download your favourite song.The internet is a threat to this security and total control, and they're dying IMO because they're trying to violate the one golden rule of business I was taught: change according to the economy and customer demands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 5,520 Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 I've never read any evidence that anyone (including the RIAA and your ISP) can control or trace downloaded files and folders from online storage sites like Rapidshare or Megaupload, which are handled by your browser's download manager (correct me if I am mistaken).Your ISP can in most cases, at least theoretically. With systems like BitTorrent, it's still the most difficult, because those systems are decentralised and you don't necessarily get coherent data from just a single host. But Rapidshare and Megaupload transfers are just HTTP connections, going from your system to the download site. And since every connection goes through your ISP*, if they really set up the necessary logging and filtering (which needs a LOT of resources I'd imagine), they can trace your connections and should be able to piece together regular unencrypted HTTP downloads.At least, thanks to the generally decentralised nature of TCP/IP ("the internet", if you want), your ISP** is pretty much the only instance that gets access to all that data. The clever people who came up with the protocol very deliberately designed it so that no single participant could control the network - if the internet had been created with more influence by politicians (or, by extension, corporations) and/or in the times of axes of evils etc., it would look very different. (Mind you, they ARE trying to get there, but the only way is to have the ISPs*** log EVERYTHING and pass EVERYTHING on and then to piece it ALL together - luckily, that's not feasible yet).*) Internet Service Provider**) Internet Service Provider***) Internet Service Providers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Williamsfan301 11 Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 Yep, it's the technology that the RIAA doesn't like. During the 90s they were loving CDs, the lack of the net, and the fact that you couldn't just log on and download your favourite song.The internet is a threat to this security and total control, and they're dying IMO because they're trying to violate the one golden rule of business I was taught: change according to the economy and customer demands.I totally agree. The recording industry is dying a very slow and painful death because of their refusal to adapt. CD sales decline more and more and more every year while iTunes sales and file sharing keeps climbing. The labels the fully embrace the internet will be the ones that survive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,765 Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 I probably wouldn't buy or listen to music ever again if it was only available for download. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Williamsfan301 11 Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 Well, and that is the ONE advantage to CD's still. If the hard drive on your computer/mp3 player crashes that it - game over. You better hope to God you have music you purchased backed up somewhere. With CD's that's not a worry. That's why music that I NEVER want to lose, I'll still by on CD. Things I can live without, iTunes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 2,083 Posted December 20, 2008 Share Posted December 20, 2008 Not even if you could buy flacs Drax?And yes, digital music does carry a risk, I acknowledge that. A friend at uni had his HDD blow a few months ago, and with it went absolutely everything - pictures/music, etc. But I've since advised him to get a good backup system, and that's not just limited to music, but the use of computers in general.But if you're careful, it makes it incredibly convenient. My entire music collection is digitised on my internal laptop drive, and an exact copy of that is on an external drive for use at work (so I know within 24 hours if there's a problem with it). I even have a 3rd, older copy stored on another external drive somewhere under my bed if armageddon strikes.But in exchange for that effort, every track I have is no more than 2 keyboard strikes away Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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