Kevin 22 Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 Mine is Star Trek VI because: A) the overture, nuff said. It's the musical definition of a space opera. B) the end credits, again nuff said. I think that although the Goldsmith theme might have been more correct, that Eidelman's effort has more emotion to it, and the suite format much more rewarding than Goldsmith's title-middle-title. C) first use of choir in Trek, and by far the most effective use D) first use of ethnic instruments E) Eidelman's top notch action writing, much more in the style of a thriler than Horner's swashbuckling and Goldsmith's identifable action style. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------What do you think Star Trek would have sounded like if Williams scored any of the movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,000 Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 Is there place for any doubt here? The first one, of course. Beautiful in its simplicity.Karol - who likes ST VI too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 TMP for sure, with TWOK, TFF and NEMESIS shortly after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 STTMP, STTWOK, STTSFS, STFC, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 We just did this a few months ago, I believe.Goldsmith's TMP score is the best, end of discussion....waiting for Neil to post the poster......................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 but Mark in 5 months someone here will declare that Michael Giacchino's score for Star Trek is the best ever, EVER, EVER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 Star Trek X for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 Star Trek X for sure.you really like Nemesis best?Joe Betting Luke thinks this new one is #10 when its actually #11. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 Star Trek X for sure.you really like Nemesis best?Joe Betting Luke thinks this new one is #10 when its actually #11.DAMNBut actually.. it is Star Trek 0 Isnt it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 No, it's #11. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 I really don't know, what was the latest Rambo? I'm sure they will avoid numbers at all cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 The Phantom Menace is not Star Wars 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 They haven't numbered them since VI.Last Rambo was 4, but it was just called RAMBO. People don't like to use numbers anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 thats what I mean they avoid numbers on major reboots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 I can't believe we've gone thirteen posts without this: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,000 Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 Plagiarist!!!Since the new one is set in alternate past/present whatever, I'm not sure what number they would give it anyway.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 I can't believe we've gone thirteen posts without this:I can't believe we have gone fifteen posts without anybody quote this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,000 Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 This rainbow... Is it a gay movie? Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Williamsfan301 11 Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 That's funny, because I was just thinking today about what if JW had scored Star Trek and not JG, or JH...I think certain composers are born to write certain things. JW was born to write Star Wars and JG was born to write Star Trek. Anyone else and it's just not right.Having said that, Star Trek V is actually my favorite Star Trek score - followed very closely by TMP and TWOKI will agree the Star Trek VI is an EXTREMELY underrated score - even if he did completely rip of Holst for it. But, Meyer wanted that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,192 Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 Sorry but Williams' signature is WAY classier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,192 Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 Well Goldsmith was ill when he wrote that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 389 Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 There aren't any good Star Trek scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 How the heck do you make a classy signature with an industrial-sized permanent marker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Williamsfan301 11 Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 How the heck do you make a classy signature with an industrial-sized permanent marker? I was going to say the exact same thing! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 There aren't any good Star Trek scores.You don't know how wrong you are.Edit: Yes we've all ready had a thread about this before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacob 0 Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 There aren't any good Star Trek scores.You don't know how wrong you are.You don't know how sarcastic he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin 22 Posted December 31, 2008 Author Share Posted December 31, 2008 There aren't any good Star Trek scores.You don't know how wrong you are.Edit: Yes we've all ready had a thread about this before.So? To be redundant is human. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldsmithfan 6 Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 E) Eidelman's top notch action writing, much more in the style of a thriler than Horner's swashbuckling and Goldsmith's identifable action style.Um... Goldsmith's action writing is easily defined: If real life had a score at terrifying moments like car chases and gunfights... you'd hear a Goldsmith score. It's the heartbeat of real life. Oh yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 I can't believe we've gone thirteen posts without this:Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 Getting a little carried away there aren't we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 Just making a point. For the record I'd rank them:TMPIIV/First Contact (changes on my mood)NemesisIIIGenerationsVI(all of these are great)InsurrectionIV Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 Sorry but Williams' signature is WAY classier Hans and James have better ones! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryant Burnette 654 Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 The Undiscovered Country is my least favorite movie in the series, and the score is my least favorite, with The Voyage Home possibly excepted. It's not a bad score, but I just can't forgive the outright theft of Holst for the opening titles. It, like, bothers me.As far as the scores go, it's The Motion Picture, followed by The Wrath of Khan, with everything else waaaaay behind. As for Giacchino, who I like a lot, I'll be satisfied if he ends up near the top of the "everything else" pile, or even somewhere in the middle of it. Asking him to equal I or II is lunacy, and I don't expect it to happen. It'd be cool if it did, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 To be honest I like all the Star Trek scores, it's too hard for me to rank them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 The Undiscovered Country is my least favorite movie in the series, and the score is my least favorite, with The Voyage Home possibly excepted. It's not a bad score, but I just can't forgive the outright theft of Holst for the opening titles. It, like, bothers me.Why? They were going to use Holst anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 The Motion PictureThe Wrath of KhanFirst ContactThat's all I have. The first two are pretty close, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitch 57 Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Williamsfan301 11 Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 The Undiscovered Country is my least favorite movie in the series, and the score is my least favorite, with The Voyage Home possibly excepted. It's not a bad score, but I just can't forgive the outright theft of Holst for the opening titles. It, like, bothers me.Why? They were going to use Holst anyway.Truth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryant Burnette 654 Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 The Undiscovered Country is my least favorite movie in the series, and the score is my least favorite, with The Voyage Home possibly excepted. It's not a bad score, but I just can't forgive the outright theft of Holst for the opening titles. It, like, bothers me.Why? They were going to use Holst anyway.So, they were going to use Holst and give Holst credit, and then they changed their minds and hired somebody who was told to use Holst but not give him any credit...? It's not an homage, it's a theft. Why wouldn't that bother me? (Even though the music is good, and thematically appropriate for the movie?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted December 31, 2008 Share Posted December 31, 2008 So, they were going to use Holst and give Holst credit, and then they changed their minds and hired somebody who was told to use Holst but not give him any credit...?The Holst estate wanted to much money.Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin 22 Posted January 1, 2009 Author Share Posted January 1, 2009 The Undiscovered Country is my least favorite movie in the series, and the score is my least favorite, with The Voyage Home possibly excepted. It's not a bad score, but I just can't forgive the outright theft of Holst for the opening titles. It, like, bothers me.Why? They were going to use Holst anyway.So, they were going to use Holst and give Holst credit, and then they changed their minds and hired somebody who was told to use Holst but not give him any credit...? It's not an homage, it's a theft. Why wouldn't that bother me? (Even though the music is good, and thematically appropriate for the movie?)The difference for homage and theft for me at least is that in theft, you use some of the actual phrases in the suggested score into your score without much change. Homage is when you take the style of the suggested piece and work it in some of your material. Aren't all brassy, mildly-threatening pieces for the last 50 years been accused of copying Holst? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Williamsfan301 11 Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 In other words, the difference between James Horner (theft) and everyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,347 Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 Star Trek 2 for me. Will we ever see expanded releases of 2 and 3? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmo Lewis 6 Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 I don't really see what's so special about Khan. It's a very nice listen, and it provides the film with the right feel, but so far I don't find it particularly fascinating.Opinion liable to change in the next few months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 Star Trek 2 for me. Will we ever see expanded releases of 2 and 3?Unless someone can make a breakthru at Paramount I wouldn't hold my breath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 A diplomatic breakthrough or a physical break in...er, through? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,347 Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 Why is Paramount so against releasing their scores on CD and giving their movies nice special features on DVD? Anybody know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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