Hlao-roo 389 Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 Williams is better than Goldsmith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitch 57 Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 I don't think so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 Alien has a better narrative through-line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,990 Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 Close Encounters is one of the best scores ever written. Alien is a JUST a masterpiece.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 389 Posted January 1, 2009 Author Share Posted January 1, 2009 Close Encounters is one of the best scores ever written. Alien is a JUST a masterpiece.KarolPlus Close Encounters gets bonus points for being composed by the better composer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 AlanThis time Williams beats Goldsmith.I do prefer CE3K over Alien. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 At least Alex will be proud of you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 I can't believe I still don't have Close Encounters on CD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 No reason to own it, the MECO arrangement is all you really need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 Difficult, but CE3K wins.- Marc, betting a post-2000 sequel would be titled CE4K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 Close Encounters Of The Third Kind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitch 57 Posted January 1, 2009 Share Posted January 1, 2009 No reason to own it, the MECO arrangement is all you really need.That disco funky beat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Difficult, but CE3K wins.- Marc, betting a post-2000 sequel would be titled CE4K.Actually, if my memory serves me right from my younger days, using that title would require Spielberg to make a movie that ahh.....well......would be rather naughty....... See there are different levels of UFO contact, according to UFO-ologists, and a 4th kind, well you can use your imagination....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Cartman gets an anal probe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 And a hot green alien woman.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Exellent thread. Both are the best scores by the biggest film composers ever.Ofcourse Williams wins , CE3K can not be beaten.How did you vote Stefan , I know Alien is not your cup of tea , but you simple can notvote Williams over Goldsmith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,793 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 CEO3KThe finale and end credits alone is better than the beautiful parts in Alien. CEOTK revolves arround communication for music, and the score build ups and evolves to the magnificent final scenes.Anyway the two movies and scores are so different... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,626 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Seriously ,I think Alien is one of the most overrated scores in the film score community. Hypersleep ,Sign Off and End Credits are beautiful ,and some of the alien planet music is haunting, but the rest just fits within the context of the film and not on c.d. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Anyway the two movies and scores are so different...How could you forget the fantastic contribution of Italian designer Carlo Rambaldi on both films? Clearly they are not that dissimilar.Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,626 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Both films? I thought Alien was Giger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,793 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Anyway the two movies and scores are so different...How could you forget the fantastic contribution of Italian designer Carlo Rambaldi on both films? Clearly they are not that dissimilar.Neildo you mean the desinger of the alien that in some concepts had a p*nis-like appeareance?Well i'm glad that route was not kept for the CEOTK aliens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Carlo RambaldiNeil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,626 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 ok,I think he did the mechanism for opening the jaw of the alien and the inside teeth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,793 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 OOk, it not the person i was thinking about. The designer of the alien also had an italian name? Or at least european? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,626 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 The design of the alien is Giger .He's somekind of Swiss weirdo surrealist artist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,793 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 The design of the alien is Giger .He's somekind of Swiss weirdohah, i knew it was somewhere near italy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,179 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Now this one's a toughie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Not even close, Close Encounters fo the Third Kind is the superior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 I choose... Ridley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,327 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Williams is better than Goldsmith.Especially when you base yourself solely on the music (and not the music with the images). Williams is the more gifted one, every composer or musician will say that. Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryant Burnette 654 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 I love Alien, but really, it's not fit to even sniff the sweaty undercarriage of Close Encounters. Alien is extremely good, but lacks any magic; Close Encounters IS magic.Now, in a showdown between Close Encounters and Star Trek: The Motion Picture, I'd have some serious thinking to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,327 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 ok,I think he did the mechanism for opening the jaw of the alien and the inside teethThat's right, Carlo 'E.T.' Rambaldi didn't design the creature of Alien, Giger did. Giger designed everything of the alien world in Alien. I believe Dan O'Bannon (who wrote the script) discovered him. Dan showed his work to Ridley Scott. Giger never worked on any of the sequels of Alien.Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neimoidian 14 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 This time my vote goes to Williams! Close Encounters hands down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Before I made the ALIEN- WotW poll, I thought of making this, but then JW would have been the clear winner... Anyway, CEOT3K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morn 8 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Tie. Both are incredible scores. Although one place Alien has an advantage, rather unique harsh and barbaric orchestration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 How did you vote Stefan , I know Alien is not your cup of tea , but you simple can notvote Williams over Goldsmith.How do you reckon Alien is not my cup of tea?I jumped for joy when Intrada released the 2 CD set, and before that I had the Silva OST release and the isolated score bootleg.It's a brilliant score, Goldsmith at his most inventive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joni Wiljami 1,206 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Ok , I remembered wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 And yes I voted for it over the nice, but Ligeti inspired CE3K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,990 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Not every atonal piece is Ligeti-inspired. It could be as well Bartok, Penderecki. I think CE sounds more like these two.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 I'm not as familiar with the Alien score as I should (and would) like to be therefore I shan't vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phbart 609 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 CE3K, no doubts!However, if this poll was about which one is better presented on CD, I'd vote for Alien... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,179 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Not every atonal piece is Ligeti-inspired. It could be as well Bartok, Penderecki. I think CE sounds more like these two.Isn't Goldsmith the one who is always heavily influenced by Bartok?Anyway, I voted CE3K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrScratch 294 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Close Encounters Of The Third Kind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Coscina 3 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Not every atonal piece is Ligeti-inspired. It could be as well Bartok, Penderecki. I think CE sounds more like these two.Isn't Goldsmith the one who is always heavily influenced by Bartok?Anyway, I voted CE3K.yes, he was. Personally while I think Alien is a very good score, I would not say it even functions quite as well as CEOT3K in the film because Ridley Scott cut and pasted a lot of the music. I remember when I bought the record soundtrack back in 1979 I was shocked at all of the music I had not heard in the film. I love a lot of Goldsmith but I do agree that Alien is a wee bit overrated. I think CEOT3K is actually underrated. Everyone thinks Star Wars or more recently Harry Potter when they hear the name John Williams. Having heard the suite from Close Encounters conducted by Williams himself thrice this year, I am more impressed with it than ever before. There is this beautiful narrative/dramatic development of the music that begins with a basic sound texture and unfolds to that gorgeous finale with complete harmony/melody. It's amazing. Truly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,990 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Having heard the suite from Close Encounters conducted by Williams himself thrice this year, I am more impressed with it than ever before. There is this beautiful narrative/dramatic development of the music that begins with a basic sound texture and unfolds to that gorgeous finale with complete harmony/melody. It's amazing. Truly.I'd love to witness something like that someday. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,179 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 The 20 minute suite (as recorded by Gerhardt) should be performed more often. Hearing the regular, shorter one live is still an experience though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Both suites ignore several important themes though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,179 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Sure, the Dies Irae road music doesn't show up anywhere. But the longer suite has cool stuff like Barnstorming etc. It feels complete, the shorter version doesn't quite do that I think (but then, I grew up with the Gerhardt recording). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg1138 3 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Not even close, Close Encounters fo the Third Kind is the superior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 2, 2009 Share Posted January 2, 2009 Considering Goldsmith's Alien is held is such high regard here, I'm surprised by the one horse race this poll turned out to be. My suspicions must be right then.Still need to listen properly to Alien though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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