Lurker 5 Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 Go here.Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,037 Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 Fascinating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 Hmmm. This means there's either a version of the movie surviving somewhere in the vaults without music, meaning the isolated score is sitting beside it on the next shelf...or they just muted the sequence, and added the corresponding sound effects.Either way, it'd be a great card to get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,793 Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 The raiders march that plays afterwards...is speed up?It's the raiders march from the same film isnt it. Somehow it sounded different.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,037 Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 It's indeed at the wrong speed. I don't know which recording it was, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,322 Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 It's the DCC track 1, isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,793 Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 Hmmm. This means there's either a version of the movie surviving somewhere in the vaults without music, meaning the isolated score is sitting beside it on the next shelf...Shame the only official unreleased music from this movie is the cairo source music, the idol temple snippet and the original mummy cave.Now if it was a video from TOD or LC...that would be more interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 I wonder if there are sound design enthusiasts who would be as excited over an isolated effects track as we get for iso scores.Probably. That explains why some CDs were sold with nothing but special effects sounds, like half of the Generations albums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,037 Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 Shame the only official unreleased music from this movie is the cairo source music, the idol temple snippet and the original mummy cave.And the other version of the cue when he goes through the wall, as well.It's the DCC track 1, isn't it?Doesn't sound like it to me, but I could be mistaken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted January 21, 2009 Author Share Posted January 21, 2009 It's the DCC track 1, isn't it?No, it's the recording of "The Raiders March" from "The Indiana Jones Trilogy" with the City of Prague Philharmonic Orchestra conducted by Nic Raine.Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,793 Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 It's the DCC track 1, isn't it?No, it's the recording of "The Raiders March" from "The Indiana Jones Trilogy" with the City of Prague Philharmonic Orchestra conducted by Nic Raine.NeilAt normal speed?I just recently got this cue, and that's why it sounded familiar but different from the DCC-concord that i'm much more accustomed to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,037 Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 Yeah, definitely not the DCC version. Right key, but too fast. Plus it has the initial C major chord in the strings underneath the ostinato, which is not heard in the Raiders version. There's kind of a lot of reverb, too. Sounds like it could be Prague. I'm not familiar with any of their Indiana Jones recordings, though. EDIT: I've been beaten to the punch. Glad to know I was at least right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,322 Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 Ahh. I listened through the crummy speakers on my work laptop so couldn't hear much detail in it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker 5 Posted January 21, 2009 Author Share Posted January 21, 2009 At normal speed?In my quick informal estimation, yes. It sounds the same to me.I don't feel like getting all analytical on this, but if they just ripped the CD to get the audio for this there shouldn't be any speed changes.Neil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Barnsbury 8 Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 I wonder if there are sound design enthusiasts who would be as excited over an isolated effects track as we get for iso scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 BBFan.comBenBurttFan.com. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxxie 1 Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 It's indeed at the wrong speed.I like that speed.......... Gives it more kick anyway! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Does this thread mean I'm supposed to act all surprised that the isolated score ACTUALLY EXISTS? Who'd have thought it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,675 Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Why does the seeming existence of a sfx/dialogue only section of the film suggest that there's some sort of isolated score... ?I'm sure that even old movies get preserved 'in bits'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissPadmé 17 Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 I guess this will be the new 2009 DVD Collection Special Edition verson of that scene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 What are we seeing? A movie with the isolated score removed with sound effects remaining intact? Or a movie totally muted with sound effects painted back in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,675 Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 I'd say your first suggestion. I'd imagine Indy is somehow digitally preserved now, along with a remastered sound mix, so I'm sure they could be separated given enough reasoning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissPadmé 17 Posted January 22, 2009 Share Posted January 22, 2009 Well just look at any DVD featurette regard. the sound design, it will show all the movie scenes without music (no I dont think that the featurettes were done before the music was even recorded)what is yo special abou that? whats so interesting about the fact that there is a version without music?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixie_twinkle 48 Posted January 23, 2009 Share Posted January 23, 2009 Ben Burtt probably had final say over the presentation... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric_JWFAN 11 Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 Call me crazy, but there's something eerily powerful about this scene without music. You almost appreciate the true danger of it even more. JW has chosen to use silence over sound in odd spots a number of times in his career, and I could easily see this being one of them. The bare pairing of the rolling boulder and Indy's panting make it almost more intense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,037 Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 It's definitely interesting to see it without the music, but I wouldn't say it's better. That crazy trumpet passage works really well in the film for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 The music puts it just over the top enough to tell us, "don't worry if it's silly - we promise you'll enjoy it nonetheless." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,037 Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 The music puts it just over the top enough to tell us, "don't worry if it's silly - we promise you'll enjoy it nonetheless."That's exactly how I felt about the whole film, though I'm not sure how responsible the music was for that. My brain knew the film had problems. But my heart didn't care, and I had a great time as a result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixie_twinkle 48 Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 Call me crazy, but there's something eerily powerful about this scene without music. You almost appreciate the true danger of it even more. JW has chosen to use silence over sound in odd spots a number of times in his career, and I could easily see this being one of them. The bare pairing of the rolling boulder and Indy's panting make it almost more intense.I see your point, but wouldn't that have made this scene too climactic for so early in the movie? Perhaps if there hadn't been music during The Miracle of the Ark it would have been more intense.... oh wait, the music MAKES that scene! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric_JWFAN 11 Posted January 26, 2009 Share Posted January 26, 2009 Call me crazy, but there's something eerily powerful about this scene without music. You almost appreciate the true danger of it even more. JW has chosen to use silence over sound in odd spots a number of times in his career, and I could easily see this being one of them. The bare pairing of the rolling boulder and Indy's panting make it almost more intense.I see your point, but wouldn't that have made this scene too climactic for so early in the movie? Perhaps if there hadn't been music during The Miracle of the Ark it would have been more intense.... oh wait, the music MAKES that scene! Good point, yes the super-intense moments that are done without music are usually pivotal moments near the end (i.e. Jurassic Park, Star Wars IV) and it would definitely feel weird to have this opening scene left unscored now that I think about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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