John Crichton 4 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 There's no way that's not a fake. A memo from the president to "officers" with a full list of winners? Come on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,669 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 It's fake. No question.AFAIK, no master list is compiled before the ceremony. A quick google reveals all.But JNH for Defiance? Wonder who compiled this one and whether they're a fan If I was judging solely by the CD contents, I'd say it's award worthy, even if not oscar. The reason I mention the CD is that the extra cues in the promo don't really add much to the experience for me, and the action cues almost sound autopilot. But then some of the quieter cues on the CD are simply beautiful, if a little clichéd.He definitely deserves an oscar, but just like I don't want JW winning for the IMO 'standard' KotCS, I'd love to see him be recognised perhaps for an M.Night score.I think though, that unless there is universal agreement that one of Slumdog's songs was best, Newman will get his first oscar tonight, even if not for scoring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 I'm still not so sure that Slumdog Millionaire will sweep so easily in the best score category. Keep in mind that the Babel win really upset the Music Branch and the Slumdog situation is not so dissimilar, even though the use of pre-existing material is less detrimental in this case.If Slumdog will sweep in the major categories like it appears to be, it could happen that the voters left some of the lesser categories to other films. My money is on Thomas Newman or Alexandre Desplat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,669 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 The fact that vote splitting gives the advantage to Newman is curious at least.Why would the Babel win have upset the music branch? They nominated it in the first place! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 Here's an excerpt from an interview with Charles Bernstein (Governor of the Academy Music Branch committee) in which he talks about the Babel snafu:Q: The winner of 2006 was Babel, which contained a lot of unoriginal material from different sources.A: The score for Babel was very controversial. Gustavo Santaollala wrote some very effective music. Unfortunately one of the most effective pieces was not written for the movie. I believe it was originally recorded for a CD and it was placed into the movie from there. Unfortunately when we checked its eligibility, his name appeared for all the pieces he composed as the music he wrote prior to the movie. It got by the committee that this particular piece pre-existed and nobody up to that point was familiar with it as such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,669 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 That's not a very clear statement (does he work for Concord?); does he mean that the academy didn't notice it was pre-existing and so allowed a nomination? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 What the hell?That piece (if he's indeed referring to Iguazu, which was admittedly effective and quite a nice piece on its own) was prominently used in The Insider (a Best-Picture nominee, no less!) as well as the pilot of 24 and several episodes of Deadwood.How this gets by the bloody Academy Music Branch is beyond me.Idiots! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 I'll star watching the Oscars again when the winners are decided by a phone-in vote! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,669 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 I decided I should listen to this Iguazu piece (not really that great IMO), and not only was it labelled as being from the Deadwood soundtrack, but I also remember this as being the piece used during the oscar nominations clips!Given that they thought the best music to represent the score wasn't even written for it, shows what a calamitous blunder they really made last year.I don't like most of the Slumdog 'score', but at least it was written for the movie! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurgaFlippinMan 7 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 wait, the Oscars are today? What channel is it being aired on in the US? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 ABC as usual, I presume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmo Lewis 6 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 These are my bets:Best Picture - Slumdog MillionaireBest Director - David FincherBest Actor - Mickey RourkeBest Actress - Kate WinsletBest Supporting Actor - Heath LedgerBest Supporting Actress - Penélope CruzBest Original Screenplay - Wall-EBest Adapted Screenplay - Slumdog MillionaireThey are the safest bets I could come up with, and I would disagree with the Academy a lot if I turned out to be right. I didn't name the movies that the director/actors would be winning for because the Academy doesn't care what movie they are awarding. All voters see is the name.EDIT: Actually, Wall-E for best screenplay is personal wishful thinking. Milk is taking that bad boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 I can't imagine all the s**t the Academy would take if Heath Ledger didn't win. In fact, I bet they pull another MoaG and don't give it to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,669 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 Those nominations sound plausible.My final bets for music are Wall-E for song, and Slumdog for score. I would be very surprised if score went to anyone else because as a work I think it's the worst one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 And the Oscar goes to... John Barry! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 Frankly I'd rather Robert Downey win for his supporting role in Tropic Thunder. I don't want to see a sympathy win for Ledger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitch 57 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 Michael Shannon is the dark horse of the bunch for his scene-stealing turn in REVOLUTIONARY ROAD.Hitch, who won't be watching the Oscars LIVE tonight. My first time in over 20 years not watching them live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,669 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 I know what you mean Mark - if he wins, it will be a tearfest for the next 5 mins.And Downey's performance was a really entertaining one. Would be nice to see the academy acknowledge a comedic performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitch 57 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 I doubt that very much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 Frankly I'd rather Robert Downey win for his supporting role in Tropic Thunder. I don't want to see a sympathy win for Ledger.It wouldn't be a sympathy win. This is coming from somebody who anticipated Ledger's performance since he saw the trailer at I Am Legend in '07, before he died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 Sympathy vote or not, I think it was an incredible performance that still deserves to be recognized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin McCallister 0 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 Okay, here goes:BEST PICTUREThe Curious Case of Benjamin ButtonFrost/NixonMilkThe ReaderSlumdog MillionaireWe can nix THE READER and FROST/NIXON. BUTTON wouldn't be bad, but it won't beat SLUMDOG or MILK. SLUMDOG has been getting more and more buzz lately, but somehow, I just don't think the Academy will award it here. It'll get almost everything else, but I think MILK has this one in the bag.SHOULD WIN: Slumdog MillionaireWILL WIN: MilkBEST DIRECTORDanny Boyle, Slumdog MillionaireDavid Fincher, The Curious Case of Benjamin ButtonRon Howard, Frost/NixonStephen Daldry, The ReaderGus Van Sant, MilkWe can automatically rule out Howard and Daldry (who nominated those guys, anyway?). Fincher would be nice, but doesn't seem likely to beat out Van Sant or Boyle. If Boyle wins, he'll certainly be getting it for his best film, but Van Sant could very easily steal it. Fortunately, they both deserve it. I must note: how Chris Nolan (THE DARK KNIGHT) and Clint Eastwood (CHANGELING) were not nominated here is beyond me.SHOULD WIN: Danny Boyle or Gus Van SantWILL WIN: Danny BoyleBEST ACTORRichard Jenkins, The VisitorFrank Langella, Frost/NixonSean Penn, MilkBrad Pitt, The Curious Case of Benjamin ButtonMickey Rourke, The WrestlerJenkins' nomination is welcome, but he doesn't have a chance against the others. Pitt and Langella both put forth strong performances, but neither have the buzz of Rourke's or Penn's. I'd love for Rourke to get it (and he does deserve it), but we all know how much the Academy looooves Sean Penn (though Penn's performance isn't bad either).SHOULD WIN: Mickey RourkeWILL WIN: Sean PennBEST ACTRESSAnne Hathaway, Rachel Getting MarriedAngelina Jolie, ChangelingMelissa Leo, Frozen RiverMeryl Streep, DoubtKate Winslet, The ReaderKate is going to win. I just really wish it was for any other movie she's done but this one. ANY one.SHOULD AND WILL WIN: Kate WinsletBEST SUPPORTING ACTORJosh Brolin, MilkHeath Ledger, The Dark KnightRobert Downey Jr., Tropic ThunderPhilip Seymour Hoffman, DoubtMichael Shannon, Revolutionary RoadShannon was good, but doesn't have a shot against his competition; Downey Jr. was amusing, but he's not even in the same league as the others in this case. As good as Brolin and Hoffman were, neither of them can touch the performance we all knew was going to take it home this year.SHOULD AND WILL WIN: Heath LedgerBEST SUPPORTING ACTRESSAmy Adams, DoubtPenélope Cruz, Vicky Cristina BarcelonaViola Davis, DoubtTaraji P. Henson, The Curious Case of Benjamin ButtonMarisa Tomei, The WrestlerTomei would be nice, but she won't get it; Davis and Henson both had strong performances, but not Oscar worthy. I hope with every fiber of my being that Cruz DOES NOT win, but the Academy has some kind of fascination with her and I can totally see them snubbing Adams. Boo!SHOULD WIN: Amy AdamsWILL WIN: Penélope CruzBEST ORIGINAL SCREENPLAYFrozen River, Courtney Hunt Happy-Go-Lucky, Mike Leigh In Bruges, Martin McDonagh Milk, Dustin Lance Black WALL-E, Andrew Stanton, Jim Reardon, Pete DocterWall-E would be nice, the the Academy would never award such a choice. MILK certainly wouldn't be unexpected, but the other nominees have more writing buzz and with all the attention that IN BRUGES has gotten recently, it seems like a lock. Still, Happy Go-Lucky would be nice.SHOULD WIN: Happy Go-LuckyWILL WIN: In BrugesBEST ADAPTED SCREENPLAYThe Curious Case of Benjamin Button, Eric Roth Doubt, John Patrick Shanley Frost/Nixon, Peter Morgan The Reader, David Hare Slumdog Millionaire, Simon BeaufoyWe can nix DOUBT and THE READER (hopefully). FROST/NIXON is good, but doesn't have the clout of BUTTON or SLUMDOG. I would love to see either of these two win, but SLUMDOG seems likely to sweep this one.SHOULD WIN: The Curious Case of Benjamin Button OR Slumdog MillionaireWILL WIN: Slumdog MillionaireBEST ANIMATED FEATUREBoltKung Fu PandaWALL-EIs this even a contest? Please, Academy: do the right thing.SHOULD AND WILL WIN: Wall-E.BEST ART DIRECTIONChangelingThe Curious Case of Benjamin ButtonThe Dark KnightThe DuchessRevolutionary RoadReally tough. THE DARK KNIGHT probably doesn't have a shot against its competition. THE DUCHESS pretty much already has a lock for costume design, but ROAD and CHANGELING are so similar that it's likely they'll split the vote. A pity, especially considering that CHANGELING'S already been snubbed on so many deserved nominations.SHOULD WIN: ChangelingWILL WIN: The DuchessBEST CINEMATOGRAPHYChangelingThe Curious Case of Benjamin ButtonThe Dark KnightThe ReaderSlumdog MillionaireBoth THE READER and DARK KNIGHT are out. THE CHANGELING looks amazing, but doesn't have the picturesque look of BUTTON. I really think this is BB'S most deserved Oscar, but I have a feeling the Academy is going to leave this one to SLUMDOG MILLIONAIRE.SHOULD WIN: The Curious Case of Benjamin ButtonWILL WIN: Slumdog MillionaireBEST COSTUME DESIGNAustraliaThe Curious Case of Benjamin ButtonThe DuchessMilkRevolutionary RoadWe can rule out MILK and AUSTRALIA; BUTTON and ROAD are great, but both have very similar designs, leading them to likely split the vote. Not that it matters though, because THE DUCHESS trumps them all.SHOULD AND WILL WIN: The DuchessBEST DOCUMENTARY FEATUREThe Betrayal (Nerakhoon)Encounters at the End of the WorldThe GardenMan on WireTrouble the WaterI've seen none of these, so I'm gonna take a guess based purely on synopsis. With that, I find it hard to believe any of the nominated could trump a film on KATRINA.WILL WIN: Trouble the WaterBEST EDITINGThe Curious Case of Benjamin ButtonThe Dark KnightFrost/NixonMilkSlumdog MillionaireVery tough. FROST/NIXON is good, but not on the caliber of the others. BUTTON works, but isn't quite as tight as the rest and THE DARK KNIGHT just doesn't beat the remaining two. It really boils down to MILK Vs. SLUMDOG and as well as both of them are cut, MILK lacks the building tension that SLUMDOG has (save for maybe near the end), largely thanks to the film's editing.SHOULD AND WILL WIN: Slumdog MillionaireBEST MAKEUPThe Curious Case of Benjamin ButtonThe Dark KnightHellboy II: The Golden ArmySo it's Button Vs. Joker Vs. Hellboy. All three films certainly have a chance here. Oscar politics would dictate BENJAMIN BUTTON to be the winner, but I have a feeling DARK KNIGHT and BB will split the vote, making HELLBOY victorious (and deservedly so).SHOULD AND WILL WIN: Hellboy II: The Golden ArmyBEST ORIGINAL SCOREThe Curious Case of Benjamin Button, Alexandre Desplat Defiance, James Newton Howard Milk, Danny Elfman Slumdog Millionaire, A.R. Rahman WALL-E, Thomas NewmanThe Academy will likely ignore Newman, Howard, and Elfman (as they always do, sadly). BUTTON has a wonderfully subtle and emotional score, but I have a sinking feeling the Academy is going to pull a "Santaolalla" and recognize SLUMDOG for perhaps the only award it doesn't deserve.SHOULD WIN: The Curious Case of Benjamin ButtonWILL WIN: Slumdog MillionaireBEST ORIGINAL SONG''Down to Earth,'' WALL-E''Jai Ho,'' Slumdog Millionaire''O Saya,'' Slumdog MillionaireSLUMDOG could very easily split the vote, shooing WALL-E in for the win. Still, I don't see how SLUMDOG doesn't have this one locked.SHOULD AND WILL WIN: "Jai Ho," Slumdog MillionaireBEST SOUND EDITINGThe Dark KnightIron ManSlumdog MillionaireWALL-EWantedThe only one of these that even has a chance of taking WALL-E is IRON MAN, and even it falls short here.SHOULD AND WILL WIN: Wall-EBEST SOUND MIXINGThe Curious Case of Benjamin ButtonThe Dark KnightSlumdog MillionaireWALL-EWantedSLUMDOG has a dark horse chance here, though once again, I find it hard to believe that any of these could have a chance against a movie that is built entirely upon sound.SHOULD AND WILL WIN: Wall-EBEST VISUAL EFFECTSThe Curious Case of Benjamin ButtonThe Dark KnightIron ManIRON MAN may not be the best of the three (in fact, it isn't), but the other two films simply don't offer as much in the way of visual effects. THE DARK KNIGHT boasts only one major sequence (two, if you count the "Bat-Sonar"), while BUTTON'S success lies more in the makeup than in the CGI. I'd love for the Academy to award this on the merit of subtlety, but it ain't gonna happen.SHOULD WIN: The Dark Knight or The Curious Case of Benjamin ButtonWILL WIN: Iron Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 Sympathy vote or not, I think it was an incredible performance that still deserves to be recognized.Yes. To be honest his death does help his chances, but that does not mean he shouldn't win or is undeserving. And besides, Ledger's role is just as much of an out of the ordinary nomination than Downey Jr's, both are genre roles in big budgeted summer movies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,669 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 Yeap, it's like nominating Johnny Depp for pirates. Different kind of recognition than Winslet's roles.Oh well, only 2 hours or so to go and I'll be heading for the chatroom... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted February 22, 2009 Share Posted February 22, 2009 im hoping that BB wins best supporting actress Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 Get in the oscar chat people! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeagol 0 Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 Holy cow I didn't recogniza Giacchino without his goatee. I was like.. I know that voice.. who the hell is that guy? hehe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 I hope this isn't going to happen the entire show with 5 damn people presenting each Oscar.God lord just give out the award. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 Mmmmmmm, Penelope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 I hope this isn't going to happen the entire show with 5 damn people presenting each Oscar.God lord just give out the award.I just said that in the chat. You'd know...if you were there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QMM 4 Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 Just want to tell you guys I told you Hugh Jackman would be awesome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 I got booted out of the chatroom, and it told me "Drax, this username is already in use". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QMM 4 Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 and hooray for two appearances of Roar! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Brausam 214 Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 Slumdog Millionaire... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 and hooray for two appearances of Roar!Indeed!Unfortunately, after 3 crap choices in a row, the Best Score Oscar has no credibility left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 Oh no! A guy with a foreign name won! His score must be completely awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 Oh no! A guy with a foreign name won! His score must be completely awful.The silly name theorem has been scientifically proven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixie_twinkle 48 Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 Well I don't know the score, but the 30 second clip they played before reading the winner was awful! A really dreadful little fragment, not interesting enough to be called a melody. Just because it was played on sitar I'm sure the Academy thought, ooh, let's prove how ethno-conscious we are and award this. If the score is as bad as that little clip it's another travesty.Wall-E was robbed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 Oh, I don't suppose it has anything to do with the immense popularity of the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scissorhands 16 Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 One more Oscar to Ilarayaja.Well I don't know the score, but the 30 second clip they played before reading the winner was awful! A really dreadful little fragment, not interesting enough to be called a melody. Just because it was played on sitar I'm sure the Academy thought, ooh, let's prove how ethno-conscious we are and award this. If the score is as bad as that little clip it's another travesty.Yes, the whole score is like those 30 seconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 No!!!!!!BB should have won. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 One more Oscar to Ilarayaja.Not sure if this is just the usual racist drivel about foreign composers being terrible, the Academy awarding them purely for their ethnicity, etc., but Rahman actually studied with Ilarayaja. Heh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 Danny Elfman should have won.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scissorhands 16 Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 Fortunately there are better foreign/international/overseas composers than those 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neimoidian 14 Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 A.R. Rahman - 2 Oscars, G. Santaolalla - 2 Oscars, Jerry Goldsmith - 1 Oscar, Danny Elfman - 0.There is NO comparison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QMM 4 Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 was pulling for Milk to win best picture but oh well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 Nah, it was pretty obvious this was a Slumdog night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzOutcast 122 Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 One more Oscar to Ilarayaja.Well I don't know the score, but the 30 second clip they played before reading the winner was awful! A really dreadful little fragment, not interesting enough to be called a melody. Just because it was played on sitar I'm sure the Academy thought, ooh, let's prove how ethno-conscious we are and award this. If the score is as bad as that little clip it's another travesty.Yes, the whole score is like those 30 seconds.No, the score isn't like those 30 seconds. In fact, the piece played by Giacchino (while nice) was the worst interpretation of the score because the score isn't like the others. A full orchestra is not always used. And it doesn't need it.There wasn't much original music created for Slumdog but what was there was excellent and more importantly, serviced the film the best. I enjoy the score and really noticed when I saw the movie the second time around, how well it works with the film. Even better than a separate listen.For the record, I do feel Wall-E should've won it, but I also feel I should stand up for the Slumdog score. It seems that some are too quick to disregard it because it's not technically proficient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 I found it interesting that they played the theme for one of Spielberg's most critically unsuccessful films when he came up, TLW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 I thought that was rather cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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