Wojo 2,453 Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 No it's not, it's not scored by John Williams. Don't you get it? The only point of a thread like this is to de-construct every single score ever written and say that it would automatically be better just because John Williams had scored it. El Cid, Ben-Hur, they all sucked because they weren't John Williams.I never did like King Kong, either. I wonder what a three year old John Williams would have done with that, would he have turned out something better than that Steiner garbage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,617 Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 3 years old?Williams was writing music in the womb, there's no other way to explain his godly genius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 120 Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 lets be honest, Williams wouldn't/couldn't have done a better job on Titanic, Braveheart, the Godfather. He could have easily done a better job on Gladiator, Crimson Tide, DaVinci Code, and even POTC (#1 which I guiltily admit I like). He would have done so much better on the LOTR trilogy.Ah I agree with everything said here. 5) Lord of the Rings 1-2But not the third? Forgot about that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 331 Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Independence Day also needed a proper Williams score.That's insane talk right there. In my opinion David Arnold's score for Independence Day is perfect. I don't think Williams could have done a better job than David Arnold for that score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Well of course you're right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 No joke here, I think Williams could've done a fine job with Batman Begins and The Dark Knight. I think those that say he would've been wrong for it underestimate his ability to adapt to each film. I mean, I think of the sequence of the first killings in TDK, and I think he just could've totally nailed it. I think he could've found the right tone and made a much more interesting set of scores.Hmm, maybe something like Munich but more fun. An action score a la Star Wars or Indiana Jones would have been way off base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Blade Runner is perfect as it is. Williams wouldn't have provided noise for the movie.Vangelis provided noise, and not in a good way.Williams could have done a better job on Independence Day too, thats a score I cannot get to like, its cheesy, moldy welfare cheese at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 331 Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 I could be wrong but in my opinion I think those who say "I can't get into this" for the Independence Day score is because they don't like bombastic action style scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 that doesn't apply to me, I think ID4 is just a mediocre score at best. Williams does loud and bombast too, just better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 331 Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Sad.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 120 Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 I think ID4 was a great score (by far Arnold's best) and suitable for the movie, still it would be very exciting to see what Williams would have done with it :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 I could be wrong but in my opinion I think those who say "I can't get into this" for the Independence Day score is because they don't like bombastic action style scores.You can't stereotype an entire genre like that. Pirates of the Caribbean and Cutthroat Island are both pirate scores but we know that there's more than a little difference between them. So it's not like you have to love or hate all "bombastic action style" scores equally. It totally depends on the composer's approach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Sad....yes because you know Im right. Arnold is a hack in my opinion anyways, I don't get the love for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 331 Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 No I don't think you're right. David Arnold aint no hack. Anyways I'm not about to get into an argument with you so I'm dropping this here and now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 thanks for agreeing with me, ain't no hack means he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Williamsfan301 11 Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 No joke here, I think Williams could've done a fine job with Batman Begins and The Dark Knight. I think those that say he would've been wrong for it underestimate his ability to adapt to each film. I mean, I think of the sequence of the first killings in TDK, and I think he just could've totally nailed it. I think he could've found the right tone and made a much more interesting set of scores.I've said it before and I'll say it again. A Batman movie without a Danny Elfman score is just wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 331 Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 :rolleyes:thanks for agreeing with me, ain't no hack means he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 LIGHTWEIGHT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neimoidian 14 Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Blade Runner is perfect as it is. Williams wouldn't have provided noise for the movie.Vangelis provided noise, and not in a good way.(...)Vangelis did an outstanding job. I rarely say that, but I think JW's music could ruin that movie, as far as its unique atmosphere is concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted February 11, 2009 Share Posted February 11, 2009 Don't knock welfare cheese. You can make a mad grilled cheese with that stuff, that just flows onto the plate. Delicious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 How dare David Arnold be bombastic and fun!? Only Williams is allowed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neimoidian 14 Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 How dare David Arnold be bombastic and fun!? Only Williams is allowed!We all know that it's Williams who has first come up with bombastic film music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 120 Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 How dare David Arnold be bombastic and fun!? Only Williams is allowed!We all know that it's Williams who has first come up with bombastic film music.Actually I don't think JW's music ever is bombastic. But that's maybe just me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixie_twinkle 48 Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 Lord of the Rings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delorean90 42 Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 No joke here, I think Williams could've done a fine job with Batman Begins and The Dark Knight. I think those that say he would've been wrong for it underestimate his ability to adapt to each film. I mean, I think of the sequence of the first killings in TDK, and I think he just could've totally nailed it. I think he could've found the right tone and made a much more interesting set of scores.Hmm, maybe something like Munich but more fun. An action score a la Star Wars or Indiana Jones would have been way off base.YES!! It would be amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goldsmithfan 6 Posted February 14, 2009 Share Posted February 14, 2009 Ladyhawke. Damn that movie needs a decent score. Not that the film itself was any masterpiece but damn. That music sure kills it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurgaFlippinMan 7 Posted February 15, 2009 Share Posted February 15, 2009 thanks for agreeing with me, ain't no hack means he is. Not if you understand double negatives As good as Far and Away is, if you want the patented Celtic sound on a soundtrack, go with Horner, which worked great for Braveheart.I think Williams' Far and Away shows Horner how Celtic should be done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTR1701 59 Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 Star Trek: Wrath of Khan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,126 Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 I've said it before and I'll say it again. A Batman movie without a Danny Elfman score is just wrong.Wha? NO. Elfman perfectly suited the first 2(in fact, I think he could've done the first 40 films, but BB and TDK are far too serious for his bouncy style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 No joke here, I think Williams could've done a fine job with Batman Begins and The Dark Knight. I think those that say he would've been wrong for it underestimate his ability to adapt to each film. I mean, I think of the sequence of the first killings in TDK, and I think he just could've totally nailed it. I think he could've found the right tone and made a much more interesting set of scores.I've said it before and I'll say it again. A Batman movie without a Danny Elfman score is just wrong.Since everything you say is a fact, you should keep saying this. Again and again. It's important that people know what's right in film music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitch 57 Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 How dare David Arnold be bombastic and fun!? Only Williams is allowed!We all know that it's Williams who has first come up with bombastic film music.I think that was Erich Wolfgang Korngold Replying to films I would have liked JW to have scored:Ishtar (no it probably would have made that movie 50% less successful) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delorean90 42 Posted February 17, 2009 Share Posted February 17, 2009 I've said it before and I'll say it again. A Batman movie without a Danny Elfman score is just wrong.Wha? NO. Elfman perfectly suited the first 2(in fact, I think he could've done the first 40 films, but BB and TDK are far too serious for his bouncy style.But A Simple Plan and Dolores Claiborne weren't?I honestly think he could've adapted nicely to these--particularly, if Nolan was really keen on using electronics with the orchestra, I would prefer Elfman's integration much better than what Zimmer and Howard did. Overall, though, I think Williams's current sound could easily complement these films. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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