Henry B 50 Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 Happiness, sadness, it's all good with me. They're two sides of the same coin. What bothers me is emptiness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 They are NOT two sides of the same coin. Life is not a 50/50 split between the two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,042 Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 You're using silly logic, Joey. Of course something is wrong if one prefers sadness over happiness in real life. (Or if one prefers inducing sadness in others over inducing happiness...but I digress... ) But music produces emotions in us that are not exactly...real. Listening to a sad piece of music does not necessarily make me feel sad. It stirs virtual emotions, if you will, that are kind of interesting to experience, since they're usually not the real thing.By your logic, something is wrong with a person who prefers to watch Titanic over the Teletubbies. Or a person who prefers to ride a roller coaster over receiving a gentle massage. These are activities we undertake to induce emotions that would be unpleasant if they were real. But they're not. So they're just kind of an interesting experience for some of us. And not for others. Which is fine, but don't take it out on the rest of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 now is my turn to rolleyes, you're assumption of my logic just proves you don't understand what I'm saying.I hope your life is a 50/50 split of happiness and sadness, balanced, and calm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,042 Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 Enlighten me.And no, my life isn't a 50-50 split. I've been blessed with a large dosage of the happy side, for which I'm grateful. Not grateful enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 Enlighten me.And no, my life isn't a 50-50 split. I've been blessed with a large dosage of the happy side, for which I'm grateful. Not grateful enough.then you do understand, life isn't a balance, Im glad you have a large dosage of the happy side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,042 Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 We're not talking about life. We're talking about music. It is you who does not understand me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 no, I understand, music is a part of life, and one of the joys, and one of the sorrows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 Life is not a balance, but it is a seesaw that has the potential to be balanced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,042 Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 Music should not be one of the sorrows of life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 btw in all this bull I still think Star Wars and ESB are 1 and 2, not separated by much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,042 Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 And it's perfectly fine for you to feel that way. I'm glad the ESB end credits aren't one of the pieces that contributes to the sorrow in your life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 data, I have a very happy life, surprising to people here, I've always had a great life, with a mix of sorrows thrown in here and there, but life is a blast. And John Williams has been in it since I discovered my joy for him in 1965. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,042 Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 I'm glad to hear that. =) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 Group hug! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 Nancies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Brausam 214 Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 I think Joe just finds the ending to SW to be more satisfying, and its happy/conclusive feel contributes to that satisfaction.Just saying. :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 it terms of impact and satisfaction its clearly Star Wars, its got a happy ending, great romantic music, the most original of the 6. Its by far better than Rebel Fleet and Endtitles.ESB was a downer ending, Rotj had ewoks, TPM had a jimmy buffet sound, AOTC has the repugnent across the stars(but the last minute is grand), and ROTS is a retread of Star Wars only not as good.The only ones I'd even consider are SW and ESB for their originality and fantastic reprisals of themes (and maybe just that bridge from Vader's theme to the love theme). Post-Empire they were increasingly lazy regurgitation of the concert pieces and in the case of the album version of ROTS, a bunch of music from the chronologically following film. If I wanted to hear "Parade of the Ewoks", "Luke and Leia", "Duel of the Fates", "Love Theme from Attack of the Clones", "Battle of the Heroes" or the score to SW, I'd just listen to them. The ending of Clones is the closest Williams got to the greatness of the first two end titles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 A bit off topic, but I think that the greatest finale of a SW score is that of AotC. And absolutely brilliant version of Imperial March, followed by an absolutley brilliant version of Across the Stars. As great as all the other finales are (SW and ESB especially), none of them are as good as AotC IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj_vader 534 Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 A bit off topic, but I think that the greatest finale of a SW score is that of AotC. And absolutely brilliant version of Imperial March, followed by an absolutley brilliant version of Across the Stars. As great as all the other finales are (SW and ESB especially), none of them are as good as AotC IMO.Totally agree with you on the Finale, AOTC has the best presentation of themes for a Finale. ESB easily has the best end credits, fantastic presentation of themes, especially The Imperial March how it blends with Yoda's Theme then Han Solo and The Princess, its pure John Williams Magic! On a side note, what is it thats different in the film version of the end credits? The Imperial March is played twice and the second time its played I like it better than the first one, the brass sounds more royal and imperial, the first version sounds more dark. Can anyone shed some light on whats different about the orchestration in comparison to the first one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,042 Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 On a side note, what is it thats different in the film version of the end credits? The Imperial March is played twice and the second time its played I like it better than the first one, the brass sounds more royal and imperial, the first version sounds more dark. Can anyone shed some light on whats different about the orchestration in comparison to the first one?The first time, you're hearing trumpets and trombones an octave apart, I believe. Strings, woodwinds, and low brass take care of the stuff in the background. The second time, the (French) horns take the melody, probably doubled by trumpets. Much of the rest of the orchestra plays a syncopated rhythm against that, which is where the quasi-regal sort of feel comes from, mostly. I quite like both statements. I probably prefer the first, but they're both very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 389 Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 I think it's clearly from Empire Strikes Back, "The Rebel Fleet".OK, OK, you broke me down! My social security number is 078-05-1120! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie 45 Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 Darth Vader's Theme via orchestral hits at the very end of ESB end credits breaks the tie between it and ANH, IMHO. A stroke of genius to rival all strokes of genius! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 I think it's clearly from Empire Strikes Back, "The Rebel Fleet".OK, OK, you broke me down! My social security number is 078-05-1120! The only ones I'd even consider are SW and ESB for their originality and fantastic reprisals of themes (and maybe just that bridge from Vader's theme to the love theme). Post-Empire they were increasingly lazy regurgitation of the concert pieces and in the case of the album version of ROTS, a bunch of music from the chronologically following film. If I wanted to hear "Parade of the Ewoks", "Luke and Leia", "Duel of the Fates", "Love Theme from Attack of the Clones", "Battle of the Heroes" or the score to SW, I'd just listen to them. The ending of Clones is the closest Williams got to the greatness of the first two end titles.I agree 95% with that statement. Well said. I'm not that hot about AOTC but I understand you're point. For whatever reason Lucas or Burtt or Williams or Wannberg decided to track the concert version of "Love Theme" over the end credits, ruining what Williams had intended and sucking what little hope there was musically of conveying the somber tone of the prequels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 Maybe it's just because that by the time you get to the end credits of ROTJ, TPM, AOTC, and ROTS, you've already heard the concert arrangements of all the themes that get cut and pasted into the end credits anyways. Maybe that's the key phrase: cut and paste. It's what they feel like, especially because on the prequel OSTs, you get each of those themes exactly twice, concert version standalone and end credits, which takes up space on the disc from other, more interesting, non-concert pieces. Not saying they're not good, but they're not as good as SW and TESB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 I believe that's what ETAndElliot4Ever was talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 Mark, I've never been a stickler for originality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 Throne Room is happy, its GLORIOUS, JOYOUS. Its a great ending to a successful battle. That trumps Rebel Fleet for me.Irrelevant.Neither piece plays over the end credits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aj_vader 534 Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 On a side note, what is it thats different in the film version of the end credits? The Imperial March is played twice and the second time its played I like it better than the first one, the brass sounds more royal and imperial, the first version sounds more dark. Can anyone shed some light on whats different about the orchestration in comparison to the first one?The first time, you're hearing trumpets and trombones an octave apart, I believe. Strings, woodwinds, and low brass take care of the stuff in the background. The second time, the (French) horns take the melody, probably doubled by trumpets. Much of the rest of the orchestra plays a syncopated rhythm against that, which is where the quasi-regal sort of feel comes from, mostly. I quite like both statements. I probably prefer the first, but they're both very good.thankyou for clearing it up for me, wish they'd put it on the Special Edition CD OST, I really like the second version Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 Throne Room is happy, its GLORIOUS, JOYOUS. Its a great ending to a successful battle. That trumps Rebel Fleet for me.Irrelevant.Neither piece plays over the end credits.God your anal today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 You'd know! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 You'd know!is that a gay joke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
222max 1 Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 Like most everyone has said. The Empire Strikes Back. Since the beginning and ending is usually identical in all the movies the one thing that distinguishes all the Wars end titles is the themes unique to each movie. In that way TESB towers above the rest. It introduced the Imperial March, Yoda's Theme and Han and Leia's love theme. You can't beat that stuff.The Throne Room is great but it can't touch the emotional impact of the closing rendition of the love theme in TESB (while Luke and Leia gaze out the window of the space ship). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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