Quintus 5,391 Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 This isn't as obvious as it might seem, hence why I haven't actually voted yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251 Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 Option deux! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 5 Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 I think need to vote "other".I love scored music... the way its used as a storytelling device. But then again, some of my favourite tracks are concert arrangements (Leia's Theme, Luke and Leia, Yoda's Theme, Love Theme From Superman). I'm not sure if Ilia's Theme would count, as it was used in the overture.It also depends how much of the score is available. Concert arrangements may be beneficial if we're talking a portion of the score, where scored tracks might feel disjointed without some of their brethren, especially if they're heavily thematic (just look at JW's albums). But a lot of the time you can't beat a full score, and chances are some of those arrangements might make their way in there some way anyway, even if it's just in the end credit suite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,391 Posted February 24, 2009 Author Share Posted February 24, 2009 ARGHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251 Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 I think we have to differentiate the difference between "concert arrangement" and "album arrangement". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 5 Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 I think we have to differentiate the difference between "concert arrangement" and "album arrangement".That's true. I usually tend to lump them in one and the same, probably because I've heard very few film score concerts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,391 Posted February 24, 2009 Author Share Posted February 24, 2009 Definitely. This poll is about concert arrangements Vs film arrangements only. The Asteroid Field being the most obvious example. If anyone wants to make the simple LESS simple, that's up to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 783 Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 I vote neither. They both have benefits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,391 Posted February 24, 2009 Author Share Posted February 24, 2009 Zzzzzzzz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 783 Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 Wooh! Go spam! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,284 Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 i like to have my complete score plus concert suites As isolated works, excepting two or three examples, the concert versions are much better. But they really end, while if a cue is from the middle of the score it does not really end.Example: The Asteroid field. the film version has a begging with the imperialmarch that is very cool, and the concert version has a repetition of the motif that does not work as well as intertiwing Han solo and the princes and other themes. but the concert version ends, while the film version continues with luke on dagobah that does not have anything to do with it... it has not a satisfying ending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,391 Posted February 24, 2009 Author Share Posted February 24, 2009 The word TEND was chosen deliberately, as much as it is a shame I had to explain it, Taikomochi and Manuel.I know this place is full of indecisives, but... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 2,082 Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 Concert versions are nice, but I would never favour one at the expense of including the film version.One example being Fawkes - it has a marvellous concert treatment, but the two main film scenes where the theme appears were both included on the album, so everyone wins. It has to do with our bonding to exact orchestrations that we hear in the film, and not wanting to hear some alternate instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 5,520 Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 It very much depends. Concert suites usually condense the score material to a shorter running time without the mess of an album copy & paste job. As such, I generally prefer a concert suite when I want to listen to "highlights" instead of just picking individual tracks. Concert versions are also interesting because they offer a different recording (and sometimes interpretation), sometimes worse, sometimes better (the Fury and Damien: Omen II album versions come to mind), often just different. In Williams' case, the concert suites also often flesh out the themes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,284 Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 The word TEND was chosen deliberately, as much as it is a shame I had to explain it, Taikomochi and Manuel.I know this place is full of indecisives, but...i voted for the concert version, i just wanted to explain my vision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,391 Posted February 24, 2009 Author Share Posted February 24, 2009 Ah my absolute bad. I apologise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,284 Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 Ah my absolute bad. I apologise.dont. I voted after you complained But in my post is was clear that i prefer concert arrangements Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 1,394 Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 I generally prefer original film versions. It's not that I inherently have something against concern/album versions, but in general, they just don't appeal to me as much. One notable exception is the Forest Battle concert suite from ROTJ - I much prefer that over the film version. But yeah, usually, I prefer the variety and less formally organized structure of the film versions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,442 Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 So you're asking me to choose between The Forest Battle and The Ewok Battle? Sorry, I can't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 Are we talking about concert pieces that are an arrangement of a specific cue or thematic ones? For the former, in the film. For the latter, mostly in the film but with some exceptions (The Chamber of Secrets). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 859 Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 I prefer to hear the full film version as originally recorded by the composer, because film versions can be edited, looped, tracked or all 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,095 Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 I prefer to hear the full film version as originally recorded by the composer, because film versions can be edited, looped, tracked or all 3.Whatever the composer wanted, that's what I want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 152 Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 I vote concert.Though of course, there are many exceptions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 73 Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 It just depends. I can't choose one totally over the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 152 Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 I prefer to hear the full film version as originally recorded by the composer, because film versions can be edited, looped, tracked or all 3.Whatever the composer wanted, that's what I want.Even in situations like John Williams' edited "Desert Chase?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,095 Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 I prefer to hear the full film version as originally recorded by the composer, because film versions can be edited, looped, tracked or all 3.Whatever the composer wanted, that's what I want.Even in situations like John Williams' edited "Desert Chase?"Yes. Well, not really. The only version of "Desert Chase" on my computer is the Concord edit, but what I meant is whatever the composer wanted for the film. It's not necessarily film version, since like Mark O. said, that can have edits and be messed around with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 1,394 Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 Yes.Wait...you prefer the chopped-up, edited-down version of "Desert Chase"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,095 Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 I added more to the "Yes."But y'know what, I just don't care. I'll take whatever is given on the CD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delorean90 32 Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 So, Williams farting into a mic is good with you? I voted film versions. There are times where there is greatness, but I generally prefer the film cue over the concert version ("The Asteroid Field," "Scherzo for Motorcycle and Orchestra"...). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 73 Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 I find the concert version of "Scherzo" to be better than the OST version. But then again, they're both fantastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 1,394 Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 I think I prefer the concert version of Scherzo, as well. But then again, that was the version I was introduced to first, so I may be a little biased. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 152 Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 I guess I'd pick the concert version of "Scherzo," but that's due to the better orchestra more than anything else. In terms of the music as written, I'd probably go for the original. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,095 Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 Is the concert arrangement the one on the JW Greatest Hits set? If so, I like that one more, it omits the statement of the Raiders' March. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent Hoyt 13 Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 So, Williams farting into a mic is good with you? Yes. If it comes from the maestro it must be lovely, and highly melodic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 73 Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 I guess I'd pick the concert version of "Scherzo," but that's due to the better orchestra more than anything else. In terms of the music as written, I'd probably go for the original.But it has the "boom-tzzz" at the end! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 152 Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 480 Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 So, Williams farting into a mic is good with you? Yes. If it comes from the maestro it must be lovely, and highly melodic.I guess I'd pick the concert version of "Scherzo," but that's due to the better orchestra more than anything else. In terms of the music as written, I'd probably go for the original.But it has the "boom-tzzz" at the end!For a moment there, I thought you were going to say Williams' farts sound like "boom-tzzz"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 1,394 Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 Technically, it's not really a boom-tzzz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 480 Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 More like "plop-fizzle" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,284 Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 So, Williams farting into a mic is good with you? Yes. If it comes from the maestro it must be lovely, and highly melodic.I guess I'd pick the concert version of "Scherzo," but that's due to the better orchestra more than anything else. In terms of the music as written, I'd probably go for the original.But it has the "boom-tzzz" at the end!For a moment there, I thought you were going to say Williams' farts sound like "boom-tzzz"... I did understood that too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 1,394 Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 More like "plop-fizzle" I was referring to the concert ending of "Scherzo for Motorcycle and Orchestra," not the fart conversation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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