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OK, I'm thinking of getting this album, but it's quite expensive (about 30$).

Can anyone tell me whether it's worth getting it? What does it sound like? Is it one of JW's more memorable works?

Thanks!

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Mid 80's sounding John Williams . One epic choir piece , the Main Title is reminiscent of The Godfather and another cue is like Yoda's Death .It's also full of classic JW "travelling motifs"

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It's only 20 bucks on Intrada.

Ah thanks, I'm listening to the sound clips right now...

Mid 80's sounding John Williams . One epic choir piece , the Main Title is reminiscent of The Godfather and another cue is like Yoda's Death .It's also full of classic JW "travelling motifs"

So you would recommend it? How come this score never gets discussed here? It must be nothing particularly special...

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It's a great score, I love it. Any score that's not one of the big ones doesn't get discussed much here, but this was kind of a big deal when it came out last year.

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It's only 20 bucks on Intrada.

Ah thanks, I'm listening to the sound clips right now...

Mid 80's sounding John Williams . One epic choir piece , the Main Title is reminiscent of The Godfather and another cue is like Yoda's Death .It's also full of classic JW "travelling motifs"

So you would recommend it? How come this score never gets discussed here? It must be nothing particularly special...

It never gets discussed because it's not Harry Potter, Indiana Jones or Star Wars.

But as Steef said, it was just issued legally on CD. It did receive an LP release at the time of the film's release.

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You should definitely get it. The main theme is wonderful as is the religiously charged secondary theme for the faith of the main character and the Church in general. The third major motif, traveling theme, is actually a variation or and adaptation of JWs Boston Pops tenure concert composition, the Esplanade Overture which has never been recorded in the original form so this is the closest thing to getting it (track called The Meeting in Sicily). :)

The Intrada release contains the original LP presentation which is actually a little longer than the score in the film. The liner notes are very informative and I am glad they are so that I do not have to see this film which seems to be pretty awful :P

The score is thematic, melodic and exciting classic JW score from the 1980's. Every track offers something new and wonderful. For a near 40 minute album presentation it is perfect.

I recommend it whole heartedly.

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Ah thanks, I'm listening to the sound clips right now...
Mid 80's sounding John Williams . One epic choir piece , the Main Title is reminiscent of The Godfather and another cue is like Yoda's Death .It's also full of classic JW "travelling motifs"

So you would recommend it? How come this score never gets discussed here? It must be nothing particularly special...

If you have listened to the clips you surely have formed an opinion by yourself?

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You should definitely get it. The main theme is wonderful as is the religiously charged secondary theme for the faith of the main character and the Church in general. The third major motif, traveling theme, is actually a variation or and adaptation of JWs Boston Pops tenure concert composition, the Esplanade Overture which has never been recorded in the original form so this is the closest thing to getting it (track called The Meeting in Sicily). :)

The Intrada release contains the original LP presentation which is actually a little longer than the score in the film. The liner notes are very informative and I am glad they are so that I do not have to see this film which seems to be pretty awful :P

The score is thematic, melodic and exciting classic JW score from the 1980's. Every track offers something new and wonderful. For a near 40 minute album presentation it is perfect.

I recommend it whole heartedly.

Thank you, I just ordered this! :P

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It proved beyond doubt, that there was life after "E.T."

:lol: And you needed Monsignor to prove that?

This score is one of Williams' most underrated works, and I recomend it wholeheartedly! "Gloria" is one my all-time top 5 favourite Williams tracks; monumental!

Have you also seen the movie? ;)

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The movie need not be discussed.

Agreed. The mere description of the plot in the liner notes makes it very obvious.

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This is a fantastic score, and a wonderful album (I did a little resequencing, but it's a great listen either way). I wouldn't consider my Williams collection complete without it.

In my opinion, the film is unjustly maligned. It has its issues, certainly, but remains very watchable. It's worth seeing just for Leonardo Cimino as the Pope ... but if you like Christopher Reeve, you should enjoy it.

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This is a fantastic score, and a wonderful album (I did a little resequencing, but it's a great listen either way). I wouldn't consider my Williams collection complete without it.

In my opinion, the film is unjustly maligned. It has its issues, certainly, but remains very watchable. It's worth seeing just for Leonardo Cimino as the Pope ... but if you like Christopher Reeve, you should enjoy it.

I would watch it perhaps to see how Gloria works in the picture.

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This is a fantastic score, and a wonderful album (I did a little resequencing, but it's a great listen either way). I wouldn't consider my Williams collection complete without it.

In my opinion, the film is unjustly maligned. It has its issues, certainly, but remains very watchable. It's worth seeing just for Leonardo Cimino as the Pope ... but if you like Christopher Reeve, you should enjoy it.

I would watch it perhaps to see how Gloria works in the picture.

It works gloriously.

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This is a fantastic score, and a wonderful album (I did a little resequencing, but it's a great listen either way). I wouldn't consider my Williams collection complete without it.

In my opinion, the film is unjustly maligned. It has its issues, certainly, but remains very watchable. It's worth seeing just for Leonardo Cimino as the Pope ... but if you like Christopher Reeve, you should enjoy it.

I would watch it perhaps to see how Gloria works in the picture.

It works gloriously.

I bet the choir shocks the old cardinals awake in their pews :) GLORIAAAAAAAA!!!!

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It's good, but not satisfying enough for a daily (or even weekly) listen. The Godfather-like theme doesn't really do it for me; I'd prefer Nino Rota over this any time. Still it is interesting to hear Williams writing like Rota. Recording quality is quite mediocre I'd say, it sounds very dry throughout.

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So today I got this score, and just listened through it once. My first impression is actually very good.

I have a feeling the Main Theme will grow on me (a mixture of Nino Rota's "Godfather" and Francis Lay's "Love Story," I thought!), and I found "Gloria" refreshingly different. I don't know what to think of it yet, though--have to listen to it a couple more times. Also, "At the forum" struck me as very agreeable on listening to it the first time. The piano solo is really gorgeous, somehow reminded me of the End Credits of Munich...

Reading the liner notes, I realized how busy JW must have been that year... I wished he were that busy now! :lol:

I'm really happy about my first JW acquisition so far this year! :folder:

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Monsignor is a good score to a rubbish movie.

So you have seen it? I understand the movie is bad, yes... I might still want to see it some time, even if it is just to enjoy the score in the context.

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"The Meeting in Sicily" is the highlight of the album.

I beg to differ... The "Gloria" is the highlight of the score.

BKL: :P Overture from Twilight Zone the Movie (Jerry Goldsmith)

The cd arrived in the mail today, and I am on my second listen... [audible sigh] I miss the 80's

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It proved beyond doubt, that there was life after "E.T."

:blink: And you needed Monsignor to prove that?

This score is one of Williams' most underrated works, and I recomend it wholeheartedly! "Gloria" is one my all-time top 5 favourite Williams tracks; monumental!

Have you also seen the movie? :)

I'll take the second question first. Yes, I saw "Monsignor" at the cinema on it's first run in England, in 1982. To be honest, it is an unremarkable film, but it has some nice moments in it, namely, the ordination scene, which is where "Gloria" is featured. The second point is a bit more tricky. I.M.O., John Williams had to wait another 5 years before he comopsed another turely great score, and two come along at once, namely "The Witches Of Eastwick", followed by the magnificent "Empire Of The Sun".

Personally, I think that "Gloria" is better than almost anything that he did in between "E.T., and "Witches...", with the possible exception of "Approaching The Stones". I'm probably going to get some flack for all this, but it really is only one man's opinion.

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Upping this thread...

When Monsignor was put on Hulu a while back, I watched it and did this analysis, but I forgot to post it then. So here it is now:

1. Monsignor (Track 7)

2. St. Peter's Basilica (Unreleased 14:54-15:35)

3. Streets of Rome (Track 3 0:00-1:32)

4. Reunion in Italy (Track 2)

5. Appolini's Decision (Track 8 0:00-1:20)

6. A Friend's House (Unreleased 59:56-1:01:37)

7. Forgotten Vows (Track 3 1:32-end)

8. Forbidden Love (Unreleased 1:12:30-1:13:58)

9. Gloria (Track 6)

10. Santoni's Compassion (Track 9 ~1:15-end)†

11. Audience with the Holy Father (Track 5)

12. Varese's Sarabande (Track 8 1:20-end)

13. Flaherty's Return (Unreleased 1:57:46-1:58:19)/Theme from Monsignor (Track 1 0:18-end)†

Not in the film:

*The Meeting in Sicily (Track 4)

*At the Forum (Track 10)

†These are the film edits; for editing the album, you'll wanna leave these tracks intact.

Obviously, I made up extra titles. The times on the unreleased cues refer to their place in the film.

*"Forbidden Love" is very similar to the previous track. It's just another version of the main theme.

*"Gloria" may be edited down a bit in the film; I didn't bother to check much.

*"Santoni's Compassion" sounds dialed in around 1:15, but the unused part of the track matches up with the film.

*On "Varese's Sarabande" (see what I did there?), it sounds like the cue is dialed in after a few seconds.

*"Flaherty's Return" is a nice, brief finale cue that leads into the credits, replacing the very beginning of the track.

Intrada said there was about 3 minutes of music not on the album. Between the four short unreleased bits, I counted about 4 1/3 minutes. If you would like to hear these cues from the film... :P

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Great album!

The film is not without merit, though (I too feel this thread treats it unjustly), but obviously has its shortcomings too.

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Monsignor is notable for being the only Razzie Award (1983) for which John Williams has been nominated. That a score this good could be considered that bad is worth a listen, in my book.

Coincidentally, the other nominees that year were Butterfly: Ennio Morricone; Death Wish II: Jimmy Page; The Thing: Ennio Morricone; and The Pirate Movie: Kit Hain, which took home the award.

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