Wojo 2,442 Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 The Magnificent Seven as a whole isn't as great as it's main theme IMO.Zimmer hasn't written anything that ever made me long for a cigarette...Zimmer's popular because he's current and more accessible. Bernstein is late, and most of his greatest scores were written a generation ago, which puts them out of the scope and interest level of many burgeoning young film score fans.Something like Pirates 3 or Gladiator may put a theme into your head longer than The Ten Commandments or Heavy Metal, but I dare you to stop whistling the main theme from The Great Escape once you start... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,095 Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 Does Zimmer have a formal musical training?Can Zimmer compose a score entirely on his own?Formal training? No, but he has definitely composed better scores than people who do. Compose on his own? Yes, he does it all the time.Zimmer hasn't written anything that ever made me long for a cigarette...I see that as a good thing.Something like Pirates 3 or Gladiator may put a theme into your head longer than The Ten Commandments or Heavy Metal, but I dare you to stop whistling the main theme from The Great Escape once you start...I never said Elmer Bernstein was bad. I love The Great Escape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251 Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 Compose on his own? Yes, he does it all the time.His CD credits suggest otherwise! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego 21 Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 I find it very sad how people can put down a composer just because he has a background on "pop music" which can have the same emotional impact and be as well crafted as any other kind of music. Let me know when Williams makes an album like Sgt. Pepper or Pet Sounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 859 Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 It doesn't bother me, just look at Danny Elfman's begining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 5 Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 Well of course, people seem to forget there are worse composers than Zimmer. The really shit composers that try to copy him.Steve Jablonsky? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,095 Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 Well of course, people seem to forget there are worse composers than Zimmer. The really shit composers that try to copy him.Steve Jablonsky?He's one of them, yes. I do enjoy the hell out of Transformers though, and some of his lesser known works are decent. I already went through all of this a few posts back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251 Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 It doesn't bother me, just look at Danny Elfman's begining.Danny Elfman is more talented then Zimmer though. And his output a little less omnipresent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,484 Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 I find it very sad how people can put down a composer just because he has a background on "pop music" which can have the same emotional impact and be as well crafted as any other kind of music. Let me know when Williams makes an album like Sgt. Pepper or Pet Sounds.As a matter of fact, people put down composers who can't write much more than pop music but constantly write challenging narrative music for i. e. epic films which other, trained people before them have written with much more style, taste and a infinitely better grip on musical forms of expression. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,602 Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 I wonder... in any of these comparison polls, has Hans Zimmer EVER won? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,391 Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 Of course not. It's a John Williams fan message board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 5 Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 Also, he's not very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,602 Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 Also, he's not very good.The only scores by Hans Zimmer that are OK are Lion King, Gladiator, and possibly Backdraft. That's it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,095 Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 Also, he's not very good.The only scores by Hans Zimmer that are OK are Lion King, Gladiator, and possibly Backdraft. That's it.Ah, so you've heard all of his scores? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,602 Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 Also, he's not very good.The only scores by Hans Zimmer that are OK are Lion King, Gladiator, and possibly Backdraft. That's it.Ah, so you've heard all of his scores?Would I still be alive, if I had? No, but I've heard many. And I don't intend to hear any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,095 Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 How many is many? The man has well over 100 scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,602 Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 Simmer down. I didn't keep count... I just don't like Hans Zimmer's music very much, OK? Nothing personal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 5 Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 I haven't heard much Papa Roach but I know they suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego 21 Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 Has Zimmer's theme for "The Critic" ever been released?? I love that theme, used to love the show too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,095 Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 Simmer down. I didn't keep count... I just don't like Hans Zimmer's music very much, OK? Nothing personal. I'm just trying to get a sense of how much of the man's music people here have heard. That way I know where they are coming from when they make judgements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 859 Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 Has Zimmer's theme for "The Critic" ever been released?? I love that theme, used to love the show too.This week we review Spartacus and the Bandit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 5 Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 Koray, that's a pretty awesome avatar.He looks like the troll from CAT'S EYE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,484 Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 I'm just trying to get a sense of how much of the man's music people here have heard. That way I know where they are coming from when they make judgements.Rather get a sense how much other composers they have heard. The more they have heard, the less scores Zimmer. It's a rather dependable way of prognostication. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 5,520 Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 Pearl Harbor is great, and ironically, Elmer Bernstein likes it.And he doesn't like much these days! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 859 Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 Ouch! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,095 Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,442 Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 Koray, that's a pretty awesome avatar.He looks like the troll from CAT'S EYE.I thought it was Martin Luther. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scissorhands 16 Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 John Williams was a jazz pianist turned film composer.No. John Williams was a jazz pianist who at the same time undertook composition studies with, among others, Mario Castelnuovo Tedesco, who, by the way, nurtured a whole generation of great composers like Goldsmith or Fielding, who, by the way, have many things in common, such as the layout of the violins. I wonder if it has to do with having the same teacher.Williams also spent many years arranging and orchestrating before becoming a film composer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,251 Posted May 12, 2009 Share Posted May 12, 2009 Well, Zimmer did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,391 Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 Sheer class that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neimoidian 13 Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 Well, Zimmer did No he is killing Film Music Stars... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alainmayrand 22 Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 I find it very sad how people can put down a composer just because he has a background on "pop music" which can have the same emotional impact and be as well crafted as any other kind of music. Let me know when Williams makes an album like Sgt. Pepper or Pet Sounds.Of course, you are right, but the Beatles sought out modern music, attended Stockhausen concerts and really composed some great music. I have analyzed "Yesterday" for some composition classes I have given. This type of writing is no accident. The Beatles are almost in a different world when it comes to song writing, let's face it.Beatles orchestration skills were superior to Hans Zimmer as well.But I was just generalizing before about Zimmer being a "pop musician". Generally speaking, pop musicians know a few chords on their guitar or piano and that is the extent of their learning.On the other hand, a jazz musician - and JW was not only that in his career before he started film, he wrote and arranged for concert band and was a film pianist and more ... like I was saying, a jazz pianist/musician operates on a whole other level of musicianship than your typical pop musician. The discipline and musical knowledge required to play jazz does not even compare to pop music.Zimmer's melodies tend to plod along (which some people like, admittedly) and his orchestrations sound like a guy playing his synth with one finger and then copy and pasting the tracks to his different samples.I am curious, how skilled of a musician is Zimmer on his instrument?But, let's face it, the man has had tremendous success. Even though his success baffles me, obviously his music has connected with many people. Just not me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,391 Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 But, let's face it, the man has had tremendous success. Even though his success baffles me, obviously his music has connected with many people. Just not me. At least you acknowledge his success and appeal, which is a damn sight more than some around here would ever do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alainmayrand 22 Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 But, let's face it, the man has had tremendous success. Even though his success baffles me, obviously his music has connected with many people. Just not me. At least you acknowledge his success and appeal, which is a damn sight more than some around here would ever do.Well, I am no arbiter of taste. I love Stravinsky, Bartok, Prokofiev - but many people just "don't get it".How can someone be unmoved by "The Rite of Spring"? I don't know, but there you have it.But I remember as an undergrad in music, a singer said of Stravinsky "No wonder his name is Igor, it's a name just as ugly as his music." I do however feel that there is much less quality in modern film music than there used to be when Timokin, Salter, Bernstein and others of the Golden Age of cinema were working.Now THAT was music.I have been listening to Benjamin Frankel, and even this somewhat unknown composer had a tremendous grasp of the orchestra, basically rivaling Bartok (for my money.)And JW spent his early years as a film composer doing TV, writing 20 minutes of music a week, by hand, on paper, without the aid of an orchestrator.Can any of the new bunch do that? Most of them can't and it shows in their music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitch 55 Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 At least Elmer's tunes are hummable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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