David Coscina 3 Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 So I got this out from my collection and watched the film the other night. I was surprised by how effective I found the quieter moments were from this score. The big epic stuff I still do not care for but a lot of the score has these reflective moments that really enhance the film. Nice string writing too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,095 Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 I give it a 4. I wouldn't put it at the very top of his repertoire, but it's up there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,064 Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 4, very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,519 Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 3 stars which in my book is average. I think it was the last Zimmer score I actually got, was quite disappointed and vowed never to buy any of his albums again. The quieter parts are the best of the score. I think I just don't like Zimmer's use of synths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 1,394 Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 I haven't heard this in a long while, and I don't remember it very well, but I wasn't impressed. I don't write off Zimmer's stuff just because it's Zimmer, and I deeply enjoy some of it, but this one didn't do it for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maglorfin 195 Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 ***Like Incanus wrote. Zimmer should once and for all drop those bloody synths. They ruined Gladiator, which could have been a masterpiece, The Last Samurai and quite a few more of his scores. Too bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 388 Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 The quieter parts are the best of the score.Generally the case with Zimmer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neimoidian 13 Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 I like it. I don't mind synths, unlike in Gladiator, they sound OK here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 2,083 Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 I agree that the synths are a mistake.But there's some truly beautiful and thoughtful underscore here. I give it a 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,095 Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 Who cares about the synths?!If you want great quiet Zimmer, follow the signature my friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,602 Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 This one's actually kinda "good"... I gave it 3 stars.Nothing spectacular or extraordinary though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,519 Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 Who cares about the synths?!I have been asking this for years. No sane person is my answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 1,394 Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 If you want great quiet Zimmer, follow the signature my friends.If I based my opinion on Zimmer on Thin Red Line, I'd hate the guy as much as most around here seem to! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Coscina 3 Posted May 14, 2009 Author Share Posted May 14, 2009 The synths work in the quieter moments IMO. They add extra colors and shading. I do not like ZImmer's doubling of orchestral instruments with his signature CS80 especially in the brass parts. It makes the beautiful horns sound fake and cheap- and it distracts.-Dave (who has been working with MIDI and electronics since 1984, almost as long as Zimmer) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurgaFlippinMan 7 Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 i had hoped this would be a japanese flavored gladiator, but instead its a bit of a bore. and there's something about the melodies in this score which rub me the wrong way. 2/5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,602 Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 i had hoped this would be a japanese flavored gladiator, but instead its a bit of a bore. and there's something about the melodies in this score which rub me the wrong way. 2/5You're acting like the musicians (or Hans Zimmer) climbed out of the CD and personally offended you! It's a bit of a bore, but it's not offensive! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 5 Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 It's a bit of a bore, but it's not offensive!The film is though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,602 Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 It's a bit of a bore, but it's not offensive!The film is though.I thought we were talking about the score... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitch 55 Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 You can nearly guess what I voted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 2,083 Posted May 14, 2009 Share Posted May 14, 2009 On a Zimmer topic - the Classical Brits were apparently held today, and I gotta say I'm disappointed at the soundtrack winner....The Dark Knight. But Howard Goodall won composer of the year. I think he's done a lot of BBC themes/music although I have no idea what he does nowadays.If you want great quiet Zimmer, follow the signature my friends.If I based my opinion on Zimmer on Thin Red Line, I'd hate the guy as much as most around here seem to!Why Thin Red Line Koray? I'd say there are much better low key scores to show up Zimmer haters.For one thing, I've never understood why everyone loves "Journey to the Line" so much. It's got harsh brass synths and I don't find the underlying melody particularly interesting. I have just realised though, the last 2 minutes of this track and science and Religion are more than slightly alike...I'd say The Simpsons Movie is a much more mainstream sounding score, and I particularly like the 'family' theme he came up with (not such a big fan of his 'main titles' arrangement though). In fact I defy anyone to listen to Doomsday is Family Time and still call Zimmer a terrible composer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 2,924 Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 Zero Stars..and I've never listened to it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,095 Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 Why Thin Red Line Koray? I'd say there are much better low key scores to show up Zimmer haters.For one thing, I've never understood why everyone loves "Journey to the Line" so much. It's got harsh brass synths and I don't find the underlying melody particularly interesting. I have just realised though, the last 2 minutes of this track and science and Religion are more than slightly alike...Because The Thin Red Line is my favorite Zimmer score. It's as good as anything JW has ever written IMO. Hauntingly beautiful describes it quite well. Perhaps appreciation for it grows if you have seen the film. He originally wrote 4 hours of music, which I want!Journey To The Line, if I'm in the right mood, can get some tears rolling.And yes, it's at the end of Science And Religion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 859 Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 Why Thin Red Line Koray? I'd say there are much better low key scores to show up Zimmer haters.He wants to cure insomnia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nemesis 125 Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 I'm extremely impressed by Red Thin Line and it's one of my favourite 3 Zimmer scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 859 Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 I have listened to The Last Samurai before and wouldn't rate if I didn't. Yes it's full of the usual Zimmerisms but the quieter moments just didn't impress me.I gave it a 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 2,083 Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 Zero Stars..and I've never listened to itI repeat Koray's comment from yesterday: You sir, are an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Coscina 3 Posted May 15, 2009 Author Share Posted May 15, 2009 Zero Stars..and I've never listened to itI repeat Koray's comment from yesterday: You sir, are an idiot.Hey guys, play nice. Everyone is entitled to their opinion about music. and calling someone an idiot is not very nice. This is where forums like this get into trouble.Person A speaks his/her mind about a composer or a film score. It might not be positive but it's his/her opinion like anyone else's.Person B feels insulted (not sure why) that Person A's opinion does not match his/hers so they shoot back with an offensive comment towards Person B hiding under the rationalization that "I'm free to have my opinion". ABOUT MUSIC yeah. No probs. About someone else's taste or preference, I DO NOT THINK SO. IN fact, I think almost every forum on the web porports to stipulating this under their Rules & Regulations. For some reason, this and another forum on film scoring do not enforce that rule. I see moderators stepping in on other forums and banning people for a day or so to cool their jets. King Mark is NOT an idiot. He has his own opinions about music that are neither better nor worse than yours richuk. You do not have to respect his music choices BUT you should respect King Mark as a fellow forum member.p.s. I really doubt you would call Mark an idiot to his face. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 859 Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 Well I do admit to have some concerns about some of our forum members. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 2,083 Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 Zero Stars..and I've never listened to itI repeat Koray's comment from yesterday: You sir, are an idiot.King Mark is NOT an idiot. He has his own opinions about music that are neither better nor worse than yours richuk. You do not have to respect his music choices BUT you should respect King Mark as a fellow forum member.Remarks like 'idiot' are intended as tongue-in-cheek.Of course I respect (almost ) everyone here as a forum member. But here KM is trashing a score that he admits he hasn't heard, and I think that in the etiquette of the music world, that's just plain rude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,095 Posted May 16, 2009 Share Posted May 16, 2009 It's not an opinion because he has heard nothing to formulate an opinion. This is where "I'm not with familiar with this score" should have come in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Coscina 3 Posted May 16, 2009 Author Share Posted May 16, 2009 It's not an opinion because he has heard nothing to formulate an opinion. This is where "I'm not with familiar with this score" should have come in.so you are rationalizing richuk's insult towards King Mark? Will wonders never cease to amaze. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maestro 57 Posted May 16, 2009 Share Posted May 16, 2009 4 stars.This is one of my top three Zimmer scores, and was one of my overall favorites for a while. I admit all that was before I became slightly calloused towards Zimmer's more annoying habits, and so I was free to simply enjoy it for it's emotional, aesthetic power. Still holds a special place in my heart, and I think it quite effective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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