Jay 37,287 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 9 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: one of the Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 Ah, so it's a lesser title then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,340 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 34 minutes ago, Roger said: Why is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 2 hours ago, publicist said: It's either Capricorn One or Night Crossing then, two Intrada mainstays (+ DF favourites) and fitting the description. The Boys from Brazil? These Intrada re-releases should at least take fair turns. Or maybe it's the long-awaited Inchon reissue. I mean, it's OOP. publicist 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,499 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 Let's just say I own both The Mummy and Returns. GoodMusician and Jurassic Shark 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 Sucker! EDIT: I didn't really mean it, @Holko. I guess it's a good thing you've already got them, since you'll probably be banned for life by Intrada. bruce marshall and Holko 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger 21 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 8 minutes ago, Holko said: Let's just say I own both The Mummy and Returns. What about those productions don't you like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,499 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 They've been discussed in their threads in their time, will it suffice if I say they don't exactly have the same attention detail in editing and mixing as, say, a Matessino production? GoodMusician 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 Didn't you do an informative breakdown of it somewhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger 21 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 11 minutes ago, Holko said: They've been discussed in their threads in their time, will it suffice if I say they don't exactly have the same attention detail in editing and mixing as, say, a Matessino production? Can you summarize the high level? I remember there were complaints about Bruce Botnik's mix on The Mummy, but that didn't have much to do with Doug. He would have likely mixed it regardless of label that released it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,499 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 I can pick some individual examples like Night Boarders where possibly a performance edit was solved with a long crossfade and the music just starts phasing with itself. Or the last minute or so of Camel Race and its scratching in the right channel - if it's the source that was damaged, the undamaged album master is right there to grab it from, even included on Disc 2. Helpful that it has Night Boarders too to replace the phasing version with. Or My First Bus Ride, for which the intended performance edits were not recreated, and one take with a not very pleasant flub was put in the main program and the other which was used to patch it up for the final film version put in the alternates. Or that the later recorded cues sound worse and narrower than the bootleg. Just generally, making these mistakes and overlooking them could seem somewhat amateurish when compared to the slew of (on average) better done specialty releases coming out nowadays. GoodMusician 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 As much as I love Intrada, Mummy Returns is a botched job. Even cues from the Decca, i. e. 'Scorpion Shoes' sound like the stereo field was narrowed down by 40% on the new release (exemplified by the short 'Canyon Deluge', which was probably from the LA sessions, but also features this strange anomaly). Whoever worked on this stuff should have noticed these obvious quality drops and at least addressed them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger 21 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 11 minutes ago, Holko said: I can pick some individual examples like Night Boarders where possibly a performance edit was solved with a long crossfade and the music just starts phasing with itself. Or the last minute or so of Camel Race and its scratching in the right channel - if it's the source that was damaged, the undamaged album master is right there to grab it from, even included on Disc 2. Helpful that it has Night Boarders too to replace the phasing version with. Or My First Bus Ride, for which the intended performance edits were not recreated, and one take with a not very pleasant flub was put in the main program and the other which was used to patch it up for the final film version put in the alternates. Or that the later recorded cues sound worse and narrower than the bootleg. Just generally, making these mistakes and overlooking them could seem somewhat amateurish when compared to the slew of (on average) better done specialty releases coming out nowadays. I would need to check these to see what is up. Remember the mixes on the Decca album and the complete sessions were quite different so mixing and matching might be jarring. But largely, I haven't heard of any issues with Land Before Time, Psycho III, Last Castle, Species II so it seems like Mummy might be a corner case so not sure why you'd throw Doug under the bus for everything. 2 minutes ago, publicist said: As much as I love Intrada, Mummy Returns is a botched job. Even cues from the Decca, i. e. 'Scorpion Shoes' sound like the stereo field was narrowed down by 40% on the new release (exemplified by the short 'Canyon Deluge', which was probably from the LA sessions, but also features this strange anomaly). Whoever worked on this stuff should have noticed these obvious quality drops and at least addressed them. Which is odd, these were the mixes Silvestri provided - so no remixing was done -- but I will check as I don't recall it sounding mono, which is what your note seems to imply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,499 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 I've only heard Land Before Time out of those and that does have that one terrible edit that was in the finalised performance edits source, that wasn't fixed by going back to the multitracks we know were available because... it wasn't. Oh, and that missing insert for which new copies had to be pressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 4 minutes ago, Roger said: Which is odd, these were the mixes Silvestri provided - so no remixing was done -- but I will check as I don't recall it sounding mono, which is what your note seems to imply. I'm sure there was some mixup involved, but listen to 'Canyon Deluge' or the whole final battle cues under headphones and compare it with the first cue of the score and you will notice a strange narrowing of the stereo spread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,671 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 The only thing I ever noticed with Returns was how distant the final battle cues sound, but given that they sound exactly the same on the boot, I've assumed since that the original recording wasn't very good. They don't sound mono, but, there's something very flat and distant about the sound, compared to the rest of the score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger 21 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 4 minutes ago, Richard Penna said: The only thing I ever noticed with Returns was how distant the final battle cues sound, but given that they sound exactly the same on the boot, I've assumed since that the original recording wasn't very good. They don't sound mono, but, there's something very flat and distant about the sound, compared to the rest of the score. Yes the only way around this would be to rerecord the cues. The recording is the recording. I'm a little confused because you say it sounds the same as the boot, but above Holko says it sounds worse. 10 minutes ago, Holko said: I've only heard Land Before Time out of those and that does have that one terrible edit that was in the finalised performance edits source, that wasn't fixed by going back to the multitracks we know were available because... it wasn't. Oh, and that missing insert for which new copies had to be pressed. I'm not following you. The required edit wasn't documented but was fixed anyway and sounds fine. So what is the issue? Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 I like Intrada Yavar Moradi and bruce marshall 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,499 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 The insert was fixed after the listeners who already bought it noticed it for the producer. The edit I mentioned is a bad harsh performance edit in another track I think. GoodMusician 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger 21 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 23 minutes ago, Holko said: The insert was fixed after the listeners who already bought it noticed it for the producer. The edit I mentioned is a bad harsh performance edit in another track I think. All labels make errors that get through. Lalaland most recently on Karate Kid II, BSX with T-Rex...Quartet with the channels reversed on Awakening...I think you underestimate the complexity of what it takes to get these projects out. Again, I would still trust all these labels to produce great albums as well as make fixes when something pops up. It's all good. So again, bashing one producer is extreme and I think unreasonable. Gruesome Son of a Bitch and Yavar Moradi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 You also run into the very natural problem that you can't be as familiar with minutiae details of all the scores you put out as hardcore fans. For the record, even I, being familiar enough with Land Before Time, wouldn't have noticed the muted horn line in the first cue without it being pointed to me, so I would have released the same cue as Intrada. Gruesome Son of a Bitch and Yavar Moradi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,671 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 49 minutes ago, Roger said: Yes the only way around this would be to rerecord the cues. The recording is the recording. I'm a little confused because you say it sounds the same as the boot, but above Holko says it sounds worse. Probably a bit subjective, but I don't really hear a difference. * shrug * And yep - the recording is what it is - not a lot can be done about that. They just sound a bit 'muddier' and lack the crispness of the rest of the score, but evidently something must've been done different during the recording. Oh well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 It's not remotely a recording standard for the 2000's. There was some kind of mishap, though I'm not knowledgable enough at which stage it happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 I think it's very fun that we got clues for this title instead of going from nothing to suddenly seeing the cover art a few days before we can buy it I hope clues make a comeback in 2021! OneBuckFilms and Yavar Moradi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,173 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 2 hours ago, Jay said: I hope clues make a comeback in 2021! Well, if we can't have concerts or new films, at least we can have clues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 3 hours ago, publicist said: You also run into the very natural problem that you can't be as familiar with minutiae details of all the scores you put out as hardcore fans. For the record, even I, being familiar enough with Land Before Time, wouldn't have noticed the muted horn line in the first cue without it being pointed to me, so I would have released the same cue as Intrada. You gotta be a real nut to notice all this shit Unlucky Bastard, bruce marshall and TSMefford 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,340 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 3 minutes ago, Gruesome Son of a Bitch said: You gotta be a real nut to notice all this shit Like chair squeaks in Jurassic Park? GoodMusician 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 How the hell could they remove that? It was an Iconic Part of the Recording! bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amer 2,080 Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 Yes, those clues were fun. I wish Roger would bring those back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruckhorn 105 Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 Just as long as they’re not as obtuse as the clues Varese Sarabande has been putting out. Jay and Amer 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crumbs 14,301 Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 I miss the clues from all the labels. I don't know why they stopped doing that It added that bit of extra fun and anticipation to each upcoming expansion -- and we could all use a little more fun these days... Yavar Moradi and Amer 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 I suppose they stopped because people get overexcited and then tend to bash whatever actually comes out for no reason. Karol bruce marshall and Yavar Moradi 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 That might be because their clues tend to be too general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,173 Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 41 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: That might be because their clues tend to be too general. If they weren't so general they'd be explanations, not clues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 Can we have the number of tracks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 It could be somewhere in the middle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 Looks like based on the FSM thread the title is most likely Frank De Vol's FLIGHT OF THE PHOENIX (1965) Also in the FSM thread, someone quoted Roger giving a list of composers they'll be releasing stuff from this year Quote Well nothing is predictable, but we're hoping for more stuff by DeVol, Kamen, Goldsmith, Eflman, Williams, Goldsmith, Bernstein, Folk, Goldsmith, Poledouris, Zimmer. But who knows...things change rapidly! But where did that list originate from? I've never seen it until now. EDIT: Oh, I found it. He posted that on Jan 30 to this thread https://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?forumID=1&threadID=140317&archive=0 TSMefford and Yavar Moradi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 De Vol - probably Flight of the Phoenix I guess Kamen - 3 Musketeers? Hudson Hawk? 101 Dalmations? Highlander? Goldsmith - Endless possibilities, I'll just refer to this list Elfman - Midnight Run? Nightbreed? Sommersby? Dead Presidents? To Die For? The Frighteners? Men In Black? A Simple Plan? Sleepy Hollow? Bernstein - Elmer or Peter? If Peter, Ewok scores? If Elmer, I wouldn't know where to begin Folk - No idea Poledouris - Jungle Book finally? Les Misérables? Zimmer - Bird on a Wire? Fools of Fortune? Pacific Heights? Toys? Cool Runnings? Radio Flyer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,340 Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 Lotta Goldsmith Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 Yea putting him on the list 3 times is pretty exciting! Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,647 Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Jay said: Elfman - Midnight Run? Nightbreed? Sommersby? Dead Presidents? To Die For? The Frighteners? Men In Black? A Simple Plan? Sleepy Hollow? I'm in for anything. I'd especially love to see some of those unreleased scores (or scores with only brief suites)...Back to School (film versions), Summer School, Hot to Trot, Dead Presidents, Freeway, Anywhere But Here, The Family Man, Do Not Disturb. Don't know if there's anything to speak of beyond the few tracks on the OST for Nacho Libre either, given the weird situation on that one...or Chicago, Notorious, American Hustle... I'd also love to see the labels pick up the record companies' mantle and do a Music From a Darkened Theater vol 3 with some of Elfman's unreleased TV themes, commercials, rare bits and pieces... Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 Yea, there's so many possibilities, and I'm excited for all of them! Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 5 hours ago, Jay said: Yea putting him on the list 3 times is pretty exciting! Well he had a son. There's a lot of unreleased Stargate TV music... Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstrox 6,647 Posted February 9, 2021 Share Posted February 9, 2021 Mazel tov! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Rick 1,155 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 It is Flight of the Phoenix Quote Dropping the cover a little early... 2-CD set: http://www.intrada.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=8679 Chewy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 Huh, they put 40 minutes on the old FSM Patton CD. Who knew there was enough music recorded to need two discs! bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,340 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 4 minutes ago, Jay said: Huh, they put 40 minutes on the old FSM Patton CD. Who knew there was enough recorded to need two discs! New program plus original? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 I can't imagine the producers of this set gave a toss about what the FSM guys did 2 decades ago when making their version Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,340 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,287 Posted February 16, 2021 Share Posted February 16, 2021 I wonder how many film score albums exist with belly dancers on the cover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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