Koray Savas 2,251 Posted June 18, 2009 Share Posted June 18, 2009 Not quite sure where you're going with that one. Are you saying that the surprise was due to people's expectations of Spielberg?Expectations of Spielberg and just expectations in general. He has a good portion of mediocre to bad films in his repertoire.Given that you don't like CE3K, I'm interested to see what you view as mediocre to bad. Do we dare ask for a list?I never said I don't like Close Encounters, at least I don't think so. I just don't see why people see it as a great masterpiece. As for Spielberg, he's a blockbuster director at the end of the day. At lot of his movies aren't very special and are just entertaining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,053 Posted June 18, 2009 Share Posted June 18, 2009 I doubt it'd be hard. 'Right John, let me take you through the film.Ok, so here's an explosion... here's some slow-motion against an orange sunset.... don't worry about this bit, we're going to cut in some Linkin Park... here's some more explosions... yeah, a bit more slow motion, but look, red sunset, see I'm versatile... few more explosions... Aerosmith song here... US flag... more explosions... and the end credits. Yeah, they explode too. Then the Paramount logo. That'll explode too.'Williams: "Where exactly is Lincoln Park?" "Arrow....Smith? I'm not familiar with him". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted June 18, 2009 Share Posted June 18, 2009 Not quite sure where you're going with that one. Are you saying that the surprise was due to people's expectations of Spielberg?Expectations of Spielberg and just expectations in general. He has a good portion of mediocre to bad films in his repertoire.Given that you don't like CE3K, I'm interested to see what you view as mediocre to bad. Do we dare ask for a list?I never said I don't like Close Encounters, at least I don't think so. I just don't see why people see it as a great masterpiece. As for Spielberg, he's a blockbuster director at the end of the day. At lot of his movies aren't very special and are just entertaining.That's underrating him just a bit. Does he make blockbusters? Sure. I don't think he makes them intentionally a lot of the time. Unless SCHINDLER'S LIST, EMPIRE OF THE SUN or MUNICH are intentional blockbusters. Hell, JAWS and E.T. weren't made as blockbusters, nor was RAIDERS. They just became that because of what the audience made them, the same as CLOSE ENCOUNTERS. However, your last sentence makes me think you don't see "entertaining" films as a viable sub-form of the art.Addendum: MUNICH doesn't really work as an example because it didn't really make much money so it wasn't really a blockbuster. I guess I'll replace it with something like THE COLOR PURPLE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted June 18, 2009 Share Posted June 18, 2009 Well yeah he does do different types of films, not all blockbusters. I love his dramas. Munich, Schindler's List, Saving Private Ryan and Empire Of The Sun are my favorites of his. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artyjeffrey 20 Posted June 18, 2009 Share Posted June 18, 2009 I don't care what the two beard-heads do. If they're creatively bankrupt enough to go back to that well again, then all I ask is that they don't make it yet another story about a parent and his/her child learning to get along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted June 18, 2009 Share Posted June 18, 2009 I don't care what the two beard-heads do. If they're creatively bankrupt enough to go back to that well again, then all I ask is that they don't make it yet another story about a parent and his/her child learning to get along.Does that really count when they don't know they're parent/child? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,619 Posted June 18, 2009 Share Posted June 18, 2009 It's a chance for a new Indy score, but I don't think the 'new' Indy has what it takes to be great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted June 18, 2009 Share Posted June 18, 2009 I doubt it'd be hard. 'Right John, let me take you through the film.Ok, so here's an explosion... here's some slow-motion against an orange sunset.... don't worry about this bit, we're going to cut in some Linkin Park... here's some more explosions... yeah, a bit more slow motion, but look, red sunset, see I'm versatile... few more explosions... Aerosmith song here... US flag... more explosions... and the end credits. Yeah, they explode too. Then the Paramount logo. That'll explode too.'Bwaahahahaah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 19, 2009 Share Posted June 19, 2009 When you talk to people about a movie, there's that popular opinion you have to get through first. Let's take Star Trek for example. The majority of people like that movie. When you talk about it, you get this vibe that you're starting from a positive standpoint. If you really have anything negative to say, you really have to back up your claim. There are those who didn't enjoy that movie and they really have to explain themselves for it. The same goes for Crystal Skull.HBP and DH are the worst books I've ever read. I hold these truths to be self-evident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego 21 Posted June 19, 2009 Share Posted June 19, 2009 HBP certainly is terrible. Don't know about DH because after OotP and HBP I didn't want to go near a Potter book ever again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,019 Posted June 19, 2009 Share Posted June 19, 2009 DH was a satisfying end to the series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted June 19, 2009 Share Posted June 19, 2009 It certainly was. And there's nothing wrong with HBP either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted June 19, 2009 Share Posted June 19, 2009 HBP certainly is terrible. Don't know about DH because after OotP and HBP I didn't want to go near a Potter book ever again.Looks like I didn't miss much after Prisoner Of Azkaban. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 120 Posted June 19, 2009 Share Posted June 19, 2009 Yes, but they should keep Lucas as far away as possible from the project. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,040 Posted June 19, 2009 Share Posted June 19, 2009 The chance of that happening is very unlikely, bordering the realm of impossibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,019 Posted June 19, 2009 Share Posted June 19, 2009 Looks like I didn't miss much after Prisoner Of Azkaban.Mmmm, you missed GOF and DH, which were two of the best books in the series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted June 20, 2009 Author Share Posted June 20, 2009 Indeed. HBP wasn't bad at all either. Every HP book is great, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maestro 147 Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 I do not understand, nor do I agree with the logic that says, "So what if the fifth one stinks? You still have the old trilogy to enjoy."Yes, it is true that I can always go back and enjoy the originals. It's also true that a new bad film will probably not hurt my love for the old films in any way. BUT, the whole point is that I don't want to see something I love (in this case, a beloved character, a beloved director/actor/composer) embarrassed. I hate to see something that I hold dear exploited and hyper-commercialized and diluted in such a way.That is why I do NOT want to see a fifth Indiana Jones movie, and it is why I still feel a little embarrassed for Ford/Spielberg when I think about Indy IV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 389 Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 I do not understand, nor do I agree with the logic that says, "So what if the fifth one stinks? You still have the old trilogy to enjoy."Yes, it is true that I can always go back and enjoy the originals. It's also true that a new bad film will probably not hurt my love for the old films in any way. BUT, the whole point is that I don't want to see something I love (in this case, a beloved character, a beloved director/actor/composer) embarrassed. I hate to see something that I hold dear exploited and hyper-commercialized and diluted in such a way.That is why I do NOT want to see a fifth Indiana Jones movie, and it is why I still feel a little embarrassed for Ford/Spielberg when I think about Indy IV.I can see both sides. Along the same lines as your sentiments, Tim, Calvin and Hobbes cartoonist Bill Watterson memorably resisted his syndicate's attempts to license his work out of a belief that the resultant merchandising frenzy would cheapen the characters he had created. And, in that particular case, it is probably more natural to side with the wishes of the artist, anyway. But in other instances, as when fans rabidly tear apart a film adaptation when it doesn't cleave slavishly to its literary source, sometimes it bears remembering that the movie does not destroy the book. However you feel about the movie, there's always the book in your personal or local library to enjoy -- and the movie can take away from that enjoyment only if you let it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurgaFlippinMan 7 Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 I doubt it'd be hard. 'Right John, let me take you through the film.Ok, so here's an explosion... here's some slow-motion against an orange sunset.... don't worry about this bit, we're going to cut in some Linkin Park... here's some more explosions... yeah, a bit more slow motion, but look, red sunset, see I'm versatile... few more explosions... Aerosmith song here... US flag... more explosions... and the end credits. Yeah, they explode too. Then the Paramount logo. That'll explode too.'Kraawwww!!! KRoshh!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 Indeed. HBP wasn't bad at all either. Every HP book is great, IMO.Riiigghht, they're all 5-star books... just some are a better 5-stars than others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 do I want cancer, do I want aids, do I want $4.00 a gallon gas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,790 Posted June 21, 2009 Share Posted June 21, 2009 its amazing how you change your view with time and constant self-convincing that something is bad.I remember you were 'giddy as a schoolboy'* after watching both ROTS and KOTCS. And now they seem to be the worst pieces of crap the 7th art has given birth to.*dramatic exaggeration from my part. (i hope you get the quotation pun XD) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted June 21, 2009 Share Posted June 21, 2009 I recognised KOTCS for what it was, just average, I allowed myself to enjoy it, but I have not seen it since, I chose not to get the Dvd. I never was giddy as a school boy over Revenge of the Shits, it was 1/2 horrible film, and 1/2 ok film, with its own refrigerator moment, except it was a frankenstein NOOOOOOOO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 21, 2009 Share Posted June 21, 2009 You were positive about AOTC on it's initial release.As was I btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,790 Posted June 21, 2009 Share Posted June 21, 2009 yeah, you too are a 'self-convincing' one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 21, 2009 Share Posted June 21, 2009 With AOTC i made one fatal mistake.I saw it a second time..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted June 21, 2009 Share Posted June 21, 2009 With AOTC i made one fatal mistake.I saw it a second time.....I don't think its a mistake to see any movie more than once, in fact most of the time we benefit from it (even if the movie itself doesn't). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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