Marian Schedenig 8,193 Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 I ordered mine on Monday, but haven't received a shipping confirmation. Started to feel like the last kid picked for dodgeball before I noticed Mark's post about not getting a shipping confirmation, either. Guess I'm in good company. It's a shame he can't make such a claim.I got my confirmation today. So I might have the CD next week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 Damn, I came home tonight to find a package but it was only that damn one from Varese with a bunch of CDs.I guess Goldsmith, Giacchino, Conti, North and Silvestri will have to do...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 Life sucks, doesn't it?Besides, if you'd gotten yours before me I would have driven over there and beat you to death with the CD! Then listened to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 I'll be keeping my old CD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 My "package" is en route and should arrive in about 15 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,363 Posted July 25, 2009 Author Share Posted July 25, 2009 The sound quality on the new set is spectacular! I'm hearing instruments you just can't hear on the original release Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artyjeffrey 20 Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 I agree. I remember when I first listened to my original with headphones, and the first time Khan's "danger theme" played (the shot in the movie with the Reliant coming straight toward the camera), it was actually painful to my ears. I just heard it, and it is noticeably different. I, too, am hearing instruments that I didn't hear in the past. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melange 446 Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 I'm hearing instruments you just can't hear on the original releaseDidgeridoo? Hammered Dulcimer? Veena? Djembe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davros72 1 Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 Sound quality is much better. Lower end is much more emphasized, parts are clearer, etc. Only listened to part of it (darn phonecall took up half the ride home!) but I'm soooooo glad I ordered it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 I agree the sound quality is definitely superior to the old GNP CD release. I always felt the OST was a bit flat and was lacking in areas. As Jason pointed out I'm hearing instruments in this that I never picked up before in the OST set. This set is definitely awesome and has been made the highlight of my collection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 It's here! It's here!it's here1itshereitshereitherehereit*passes out*I'll take that tranquilizer now, Mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 It has arrived!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 It's here! It's here!it's here1itshereitshereitherehereit*passes out*I'll take that tranquilizer now, Mark.*splashes water on John* Wake up you'll miss the party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 Mine arrived today!!!!! I may need a tranquilizer as well. To my suprise it contained a new magnet from SAE with John Williams, Alfred Newman, Bernard Hermann and Max Steiner pictured under the FSM logo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 I got one too! Except mine's Rozsa, Bernstein, Tiomkin, and Goldsmith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 Crap, now I gotta place another order with SAE to get that magnet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitch 57 Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 I'm sometimes envious of my American friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 I'll trade you Rozsa and Tiomkin for Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitch 57 Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 I wouldn't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 No.Damn, Amazing Grace gets me all the time. Stupid emotions..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,688 Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 Oooh, will I get a magnet too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 No.Damn, Amazing Grace gets me all the time. Stupid emotions.....I was surprised to see in the liner notes how much Horner resisted using it.I also didn't know, or at least didn't remember, that the shot of Spock's coffin on Genesis was a last second addition. Reading the story of Horner scoring that scene is nice (Harve Bennett breaking down in tears). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 It was mentioned by John Morgan himself at FSM a few years back, but I noticed the booklet made mention that Meyer wanted him to score the film originally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 The only slight little quibble I have with this release is I think I would have put Huxley's Genesis cue at the end as a bonus track rather than within the score proper.But that's a little thing, other than that it's perfect. As others have said, the mix is much improved, and some of the unreleased cues are a revelation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admiral Holdo 16 Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 The only slight little quibble I have with this release is I think I would have put Huxley's Genesis cue at the end as a bonus track rather than within the score proper.But that's a little thing, other than that it's perfect. As others have said, the mix is much improved, and some of the unreleased cues are a revelation.When I put it on my blackberry, I had this idea of placing it at the beginning. Atonal overture of sorts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artyjeffrey 20 Posted July 25, 2009 Share Posted July 25, 2009 No.Damn, Amazing Grace gets me all the time. Stupid emotions.....I was surprised to see in the liner notes how much Horner resisted using it.I also didn't know, or at least didn't remember, that the shot of Spock's coffin on Genesis was a last second addition. Reading the story of Horner scoring that scene is nice (Harve Bennett breaking down in tears).Even though you can listen to it, isn't it hard to imagine final version never having been made, that beautiful bit when we view the Genesis terrain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted July 26, 2009 Share Posted July 26, 2009 ok... how did a complete Star Trek 2 become a holy grail again?Lets see, there seem to be three 30 seconds cues really worth having (Kirk on space Shuttle,Genesis Cave and Amazing Grace).BTW Genesis Cave has got the most overrated unreleased cue ever, it's nice but...Then there's lots of "Secret Doors and Scorpions" type music (Suprise on CetiAlpha5,Khan's Pets...) .The same people who really wanted this slam the boring parts in KotCS?And I think there's an action cue I haven't heard on the OST.Anyways,nowhere near the massive amount of highlights missing off most Williams OST'sK.M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trent B 337 Posted July 26, 2009 Share Posted July 26, 2009 I don't think you're much of a Star Trek fan KM, so that's okay if you don't fully understand why this is a holy grail to a lot of people, myself included. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted July 26, 2009 Share Posted July 26, 2009 I don't think you're much of a Star Trek fan KM, so that's okay if you don't fully understand why this is a holy grail to a lot of people, myself included.Make no mistake i think it's a great score and I don't question the value of this release ...I just don't hear why the complete score was such a holy grail to some people .I guess this one is a Trekkie/Horner thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted July 26, 2009 Share Posted July 26, 2009 I'm more partial to the Goldsmith ST scores. I don't rank STII very highly, although I don't dislike it by any means. What got me more excited than this release was the potential for more ST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,042 Posted July 26, 2009 Share Posted July 26, 2009 I used to be strongly partial to Horner's work in the series, but that's changing. I still don't understand all the fuss about the parts of TMP that don't have to do with the main theme, but my appreciation for Goldmisth's contributions is definitely increasing. I still prefer TWOK as a whole over TMP, but I prefer the TMP main theme, and there are some insanely good highlights in TMP. But TWOK is a wonderfully enthusiastic and dramatic score with some solid themes.Crap. I want the complete release. Anyone wanna PM me a very short excerpt from the FSM release so I can compare the mix to that of the OST (which I already own) and perhaps persuade myself to buy it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted July 26, 2009 Share Posted July 26, 2009 the PM system is weird Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,042 Posted July 26, 2009 Share Posted July 26, 2009 Thanks very much, KM! Yeah...I think I'm buying this. It still doesn't sound quite as nice as I'd like it to, but it's certainly an improvement, especially in the bass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted July 26, 2009 Share Posted July 26, 2009 ok... how did a complete Star Trek 2 become a holy grail again?Lets see, there seem to be three 30 seconds cues really worth having (Kirk on space Shuttle,Genesis Cave and Amazing Grace).BTW Genesis Cave has got the most overrated unreleased cue ever, it's nice but...Then there's lots of "Secret Doors and Scorpions" type music (Suprise on CetiAlpha5,Khan's Pets...) .The same people who really wanted this slam the boring parts in KotCS?And I think there's an action cue I haven't heard on the OST.Anyways,nowhere near the massive amount of highlights missing off most Williams OST'sK.M.Well if you leave the realm of JWFAN you wouldn't have to ask.All of the unreleased music from TWOK is much more worthy than what didn't get released with KOTCS, not to mention that Horner's blows away Indy 4's score.There's no comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted July 26, 2009 Share Posted July 26, 2009 There's no comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted July 26, 2009 Share Posted July 26, 2009 Well if you leave the realm of JWFAN you wouldn't have to ask. Stop passing me off as ignorant outside of John Williams every time you get the chance. I only post on this forum but it doesn't mean I only listen to John Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted July 26, 2009 Share Posted July 26, 2009 Then you should know better than to make those comments.Outside of TMP, II, III & V are the most requested ST scores that people want an expanded release of. Plus this is the score that truly got Horner going. This doesn't feature a whole lot of copying from other works.Judging by the amount of packages SAE sent out the first two days, I've seen pictures, people really wanted this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted July 26, 2009 Share Posted July 26, 2009 I'd love to see the sales figures on this so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,042 Posted July 26, 2009 Share Posted July 26, 2009 Plus this is the score that truly got Horner going. This doesn't feature a whole lot of copying from other works.The main theme = Battle Beyond the Stars, except better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted July 26, 2009 Share Posted July 26, 2009 Like I said, there's not a whole lot of copying. Although the main themes aren't that similar in notes, the structure of both is somewhat similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,042 Posted July 26, 2009 Share Posted July 26, 2009 The B-theme (what's listed in the FSM liner notes as the Enterprise's theme, I believe) is extraordinarily similar...melodically, harmonically, texturally. If one were used in the middle of the other's film, no one would blink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted July 26, 2009 Share Posted July 26, 2009 As much as I like to play the Horner game (listen to Khan after Wolfen), Mark is right, this is the score where the stars really align and his style and substance overwhelm any issues about repeated material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 8,193 Posted July 26, 2009 Share Posted July 26, 2009 I think Horner was inspired by Night Crossing when he wrote the more frenetic action stuff, but yes, it's mostly quite original. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted July 26, 2009 Share Posted July 26, 2009 The fun part is listening for this in later ones. I remember there being some direct lifts from Khan in Krull. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted July 26, 2009 Share Posted July 26, 2009 The fun part is listening for this in later ones. I remember there being some direct lifts from Khan in Krull.Yes, it is fun picking out these things. Why can't you understand that with Zimmer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted July 26, 2009 Share Posted July 26, 2009 Because Zimmer sucks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted July 26, 2009 Share Posted July 26, 2009 Why does it always have to be about Zimmer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,688 Posted July 26, 2009 Share Posted July 26, 2009 Because he's the one you all hate so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted July 26, 2009 Share Posted July 26, 2009 Don't forget, he's here forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted July 26, 2009 Share Posted July 26, 2009 Because Zimmer's music is awful.Horner's isn't, although since 1991 it's gotten rather bland and predictable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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