Muad'Dib 1,800 Posted August 8, 2009 Share Posted August 8, 2009 What do you think? If John Williams wouldn't have nominated for "Munich", and only for "Memoirs..." do you think he would have won his 6th Oscar?Because it's a really interesting theory that for being nominated for two scores his votes divided. Probably together they would have won over Sataolalla...What's your opinion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted August 8, 2009 Share Posted August 8, 2009 Maybe. Don't really care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted August 8, 2009 Share Posted August 8, 2009 Munich should have won. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted August 8, 2009 Share Posted August 8, 2009 Probably Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dole 17 Posted August 8, 2009 Share Posted August 8, 2009 I really don't think there's a lot of vote splitting for a composer. Brokeback was going to win that year whether Williams was nominated once, twice, or not at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted August 8, 2009 Share Posted August 8, 2009 If Munich was the reason Gustavo won, then it's sort of a trade off. By being nominated for Munich, Williams lost an Oscar award, which I think we all can agree is more devestating than not being nominated for a particular score. However, this particular nomination was the one that tied Williams with Alfred Newman as most nominated composer. Winning an Oscar would have "just" been another award for the shelf, the double nomination tied a record. I would've preferred Williams won the Oscar even if that meant not being nominated for Munich, but at the very least we can say that the 2005 Academy Awards were still a landmark moment in Williams' career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted August 8, 2009 Share Posted August 8, 2009 Hopefully he'll get one more for original score. He'll definitely get one similar to Morricone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AzOutcast 122 Posted August 8, 2009 Share Posted August 8, 2009 I voted for probably not, but that really all depends if a different score would've taken Munich's place. If that's the case, the votes would've been split anyway, just for another score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dole 17 Posted August 8, 2009 Share Posted August 8, 2009 He'll definitely get one similar to Morricone.I doubt it. Those Honorary Oscars don't usually go to people who already have 5 Oscars sitting on the shelf. Those are more along the lines of "Holy crap, you're going to die soon and you've never won an Oscar!" type awards. The only composers who've ever been given one are Morricone and Alex North who'd won a whopping total of 0 competitive Oscars.I expect they'll throw one of those Honorary Oscars to Elfman and Thomas Newman if they don't win one in the next decade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowie 45 Posted August 8, 2009 Share Posted August 8, 2009 I voted probably. It was obviously down to Brokeback and Memoirs, and we have no idea how close it was (I'm thinking very!) but I suspect some people were looking for a way to reward Memoirs (those who voted for Brokeback as Best Pic), a lot of people were looking for even more ways to reward Brokeback (those who didn't vote for Crash as Best Pic), and a very small percentage actually voted according to quality, and split evenly between Memoirs, Munich, and the others.Not enough of the people in the last category unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted August 8, 2009 Share Posted August 8, 2009 Munich should have won.I'm sure JW disagrees. Since he was heavily promoting Memoirs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted August 8, 2009 Share Posted August 8, 2009 Gustavo is more of a genius than that musically illiterate hack Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmo Lewis 6 Posted August 8, 2009 Share Posted August 8, 2009 Munich should have won.I'm sure JW disagrees. Since he was heavily promoting Memoirs.Yes, I was just gonna say that. Also, Memoirs sounds more like good Oscar-bait than the somber Munich.-Tom, who was fascinated by Memoirs when it came out and now can't recall when was the last time he's listened to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted August 8, 2009 Share Posted August 8, 2009 I don't care what Williams says, Munich is a better score for a better film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitch 57 Posted August 8, 2009 Share Posted August 8, 2009 Gustavo is more of a genius than that musically illiterate hack Williams.And winning back-to-back Oscars sealed his status as a total genius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted August 8, 2009 Share Posted August 8, 2009 In the after-life, it's going to be him, Waxman and Menken, sitting in the VIP section, drinking White Russians, mocking the mere mortals who could only win an Oscar one year at a time, or just get an honorary Oscar. I'm looking at you, North, Morricone and Thomas Newman (you know that's the only one he's going to get). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Coscina 3 Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 Meh, what do awards really mean anyhow? They are mostly popular and not awarded based on their functionality in their respective film. For a while, the Oscars were awarding really good composers like Tan Dun, Goldenthal, Corigliano, and Shore. That ended with "Finding Neverland" in my opinion and the trend for mediocre scores continues although Marrionelli's win was okay. Certainly better than Santaolalla and Rahman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 On the other hand, if Memoirs hadn't been nominated, maybe Munich would have won.Who the hell knows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmo Lewis 6 Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 Memoirs is a much stronger Oscar contender than Munich. The latter wouldn't have beat the popularity of Brokeback. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 Memoirs is much stronger Oscar bait than Munich. The latter wouldn't have beat the popularity of Brokeback.Well, most people think so, yes (and I do too).However, the thing is, MUNICH was also nominated for BEST PICTURE. So what does that tell us?Munich was as likely to win an Oscar as Memoirs was. And also as UNLIKELY, probably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 75 Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 I really don't think there's a lot of vote splitting for a composer. Brokeback was going to win that year whether Williams was nominated once, twice, or not at all.Yes, considering it didn't get Best Picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 Meh, what do awards really mean anyhow? They are mostly popular and not awarded based on their functionality in their respective film. For a while, the Oscars were awarding really good composers like Tan Dun, Goldenthal, Corigliano, and Shore. That ended with "Finding Neverland" in my opinion and the trend for mediocre scores continues although Marrionelli's win was okay. Certainly better than Santaolalla and Rahman.I agree, Dave. By their own incompetent decisions they've made the Best Score award almost meaningless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 If HP hadn't been nominated in 2001, AI would have won (or vice versa). I think that's more likely than Memoirs or Munich winning an Oscar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 Aye, an' if my grandmother had wheels she'd be a wagon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 155 Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 I dunno, FotR was certainly a tough contender. I would've preferred to see either of the Williams scores win, but it was much less of a travesty considering the fact that Shore wrote a very good score.Is Shore the only composer to win two "Best Score" awards for the same franchise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 I dunno, FotR was certainly a tough contender. I would've preferred to see either of the Williams scores win, but it was much less of a travesty considering the fact that Shore wrote a very good score.Is Shore the only composer to win two "Best Score" awards for the same franchise?What amazes me is the fact that FotR actually won. I mean, what the hell, a GOOD score never wins an Oscar (at least in the past 2 decades or so)! So that shook me a little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego 21 Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 Oscars are meaningless, a lot of shit has won Oscars, I really don't care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Coscina 3 Posted August 9, 2009 Share Posted August 9, 2009 Meh, what do awards really mean anyhow? They are mostly popular and not awarded based on their functionality in their respective film. For a while, the Oscars were awarding really good composers like Tan Dun, Goldenthal, Corigliano, and Shore. That ended with "Finding Neverland" in my opinion and the trend for mediocre scores continues although Marrionelli's win was okay. Certainly better than Santaolalla and Rahman.I agree, Dave. By their own incompetent decisions they've made the Best Score award almost meaningless.I think the judges for the Best Score oscar should be those dearly departedAlex NorthJerry GoldsmithErich KorngoldBernard HerrmannAlfred Newman (Tom would have won at least one friggin award by now!)ProkofievVaughan WilliamsTiomkinSteinerRoszaFieldingonly problem is I hear the courier fees for the sweet hereafter are a real bitch! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Meh, what do awards really mean anyhow? They are mostly popular and not awarded based on their functionality in their respective film. For a while, the Oscars were awarding really good composers like Tan Dun, Goldenthal, Corigliano, and Shore. That ended with "Finding Neverland" in my opinion and the trend for mediocre scores continues although Marrionelli's win was okay. Certainly better than Santaolalla and Rahman.I'm glad someone else finds Finding Neverland to be a mediocre score.As to the question, I'll say maybe. In 1977 Williams was nominated twice for Star Wars & CE3K with 3 other weak scores and managed to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Munich is a piece of shit, shouldn't have been nominated for best score, maybe snore, and definately not best picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 I'm glad someone else finds Finding Neverland to be a mediocre score.As to the question, I'll say maybe. In 1977 Williams was nominated twice for Star Wars & CE3K with 3 other weak scores and managed to win.You're glad because... What a stupid post. But not surprising. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Coscina 3 Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 I'm glad someone else finds Finding Neverland to be a mediocre score.As to the question, I'll say maybe. In 1977 Williams was nominated twice for Star Wars & CE3K with 3 other weak scores and managed to win.You're glad because... What a stupid post. But not surprising.I wouldn't say your post is any better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 It's impossible to say unless we can see the vote tallies. For all we know, Munich plus Memoirs combined received more votes than Brokeback Mountain, but Brokeback Mountain came out on top with the most individual votes.If that's the case, it's like the Election of 1912: Taft vs Roosevelt vs Wilson = Wilson wins via split Republican vote. But Mark's point about the 1977 Oscars proves that a split field doesn't automatically guarantee victory to the third party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 You're glad because... What a stupid post. But not surprising.Yes I know your posts are stupidYou excel at cluttering up the message board with worthless junk. The fact that someone who has more music intellect than you can concieve finds Finding Neverland mediocre is refreshing.But your little brain can't comprehend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Joe laughing at Mark trying to be nasty, even your insults are nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Joe laughing at Mark trying to be nasty, even your insults are nice.Well when dealing with children you have to tread lightly and not speak to them as you would an adult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeinAR 1,949 Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 well the main thing to do when dealing with Josh is to make sure he's put his helmet on before you let him have it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 I'm glad someone else finds Finding Neverland to be a mediocre score.As to the question, I'll say maybe. In 1977 Williams was nominated twice for Star Wars & CE3K with 3 other weak scores and managed to win.You're glad because... What a stupid post. But not surprising.You should have waited for another post to get back at Mark. He really doesn't need to do any further explanation here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Joe laughing at Mark trying to be nasty, even your insults are nice.Well when dealing with children you have to tread lightly and not speak to them as you would an adult.That's what I was thinking. Only replace children with "old men." OK, I'm done talking to asses now... why bother?You should have waited for another post to get back at Mark. He really doesn't need to do any further explanation here.Mark is just that way not because of what I say, but because it's me. He's that kind of ass****.All right, back to the topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jessie Lohner 0 Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 I don't even know Munich. But sure, why not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,453 Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neimoidian 14 Posted August 10, 2009 Share Posted August 10, 2009 I don't even know Munich. Bad girl! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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