Quintus 5,391 Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 I nominate Saving Private Ryan, which movie-wise is scorelite and for the better. Why? Because when the music does appear, it is an exercise in how to spot music for movies, when the mindset is modesty and beauty. Williams approaches the subject matter without ever falling into cliché or lesson - his score is delicate without ever seeming deliberate or forced, indeed the music is completely unnoticed. An underrated gem from the maestro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,017 Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 Would The Fury constitute as underrated Williams? I would also like to nominate Monsignor, how it was nominated for a Razzie Award is beyond my comprehension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maglorfin 195 Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 How about Rosewood? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 783 Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 I would also like to nominate Monsignor, how it was nominated for a Razzie Award is beyond my comprehension.It's because the Razzies are useless. They nominate movies into certain categories just because they want to poke fun at them, not because there is an actual reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 859 Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 No, they've nominated some films that are well deserving.I can think of 3 underrated Williams:The Towering InfernoJawsCE3K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maglorfin 195 Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 Jaws is underrated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,442 Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 I think Monsignor got the Razzie because it was tied to a movie that was also Razzied. There might have been a lack of bad scores that year, or the nominators find it cute to nominate works by artists who, in another year, might have released a masterpiece. It's interesting seeing which scores have been nominated for Razzies, though by 1986 that category was thankfully dropped.Jaws is underrated because it's been so overplayed for the past 30 years that the general public is sick of it and its score everytime they see a shark fin or dip their toes into the water, that it's become a cliche' for those things. And by being buried for being a cliche, it's become a lost relic to the contemporary generation and thus, underrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,602 Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 Yes, SPR is underrated.Also Minority Report, Sabrina, Stepmom, and Amistad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 859 Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 Jaws is underrated? It is at this website. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 5,520 Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 Would The Fury constitute as underrated Williams?Yes!!How about Rosewood?Yes!!CE3KYes!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 783 Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 CE3K seems hardly underrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,095 Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 Munich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissPadmé 17 Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 All his serious concertmusic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red 73 Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 Empire of the Sun is underrated, much like the movie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego 21 Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 I'd say that The Fury, Dracula and Jaws 2 are excellent scores from his prime period that hardly get any love around here, maybe it's because they're overshadowed by Star Wars, Superman and the like. Speaking of Star Wars, ROTJ is certainly not very appreciated here and it's a wonderful score, even Star Wars doesn't always get the praise it should with all the love for Empire in this forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 2,924 Posted August 18, 2009 Share Posted August 18, 2009 My usual reply:SpacecampLost in Space Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 Attack. Of. The. Clones.I'd say that The Fury, Dracula and Jaws 2 are excellent scores from his prime period that hardly get any love around here, maybe it's because they're overshadowed by Star Wars, Superman and the like.Dracula is really hard to get a hold of, I think that has a lot to do with it. Those of us who know it are pretty effusive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojo 2,442 Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 I'd bite my own neck for an expanded issue of Dracula. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,017 Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 After watching the film recently, I think I can say that I am content with the original album, as far as content is concerned. Save for the music leading up to Dracula's entrance, I did not notice anything missing that was truly necessary. I would still buy an expanded issue, though, of course.Would Checkmate be considered underrated? It is not discussed much here, but I think it is a wonderful early effort from John Williams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 I'd bite my own neck for an expanded issue of Dracula.Yes, I'd bite your neck for one too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 1,931 Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 Close Encounters and Jaws are very far from being underated. They are mentioned, discussed and praised all the time. At most, Jaws and Close Encounters are so highly regarded that sometimes their praise is taken for granted and therefor not voiced so veemently.I would consider these scores to be sadly underated:NixonSabrinaSleepersRosewoodSeven Years in TibetAmistadSaving Private RyanWar of the WorldsMunichHorn ConcertoCello Concerto Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 1,394 Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 Attack. Of. The. Clones.YES. The worst thing I can say about the score is that there are five Star Wars scores that are superior to it. That can be said of most film scores. It may indulge a bit much in cutesy music, and it was horribly chopped up in the film, and it only introduces one truly spectacular theme...but it's an awesome score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AC1 3,565 Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 Underrated ... where? In music circles? With critics? At JWfan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neimoidian 13 Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 The River. It's awesome but few know it (not on this board perhaps, but overall). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurgaFlippinMan 7 Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 Saving Private Ryan is a great score, but a boring CD listen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 152 Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 SPR, Amistad, Minority Report, AotC, KotCS, Home Alone 2, Jaws 2My usual reply:SpacecampLost in SpaceHaven't heard Spacecamp, but Lost in Space scores tend to bore me besides the two main themes which are great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 388 Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 Underrated is the next autopilot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeshopk 8 Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 I feel that Satellite Celebration, aka Song for World Peace is one of John Williams' masterpieces. The original version with the Japanese singers singing "Heiwa Ho" and choir is the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neimoidian 13 Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 I feel that Satellite Celebration, aka Song for World Peace is one of John Williams' masterpieces. The original version with the Japanese singers singing "Heiwa Ho" and choir is the best.Damn, I like that piece (on Call of the Champions cd), but I have never heard the original. Is it available somewhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 85 Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 1) Sabrina2) The Missouri Breaks3) AlwaysThey are in my top 10 Williams scores but unfortunately in nobody else's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neimoidian 13 Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 1) Sabrina2) The Missouri Breaks3) AlwaysThey are in my top 10 Williams scores but unfortunately in nobody else's.They( esp. 2 and 3) are among my least favourite JW's scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissPadmé 17 Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 you are right about missouri breaks. THta chambermusic like score is one of the Maestro's highlights!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 388 Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 1) Sabrina2) The Missouri Breaks3) AlwaysThey are in my top 10 Williams scores but unfortunately in nobody else's.They( esp. 2 and 3) are among my least favourite JW's scores.Don't you realize you're underrating them, though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neimoidian 13 Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 1) Sabrina2) The Missouri Breaks3) AlwaysThey are in my top 10 Williams scores but unfortunately in nobody else's.They( esp. 2 and 3) are among my least favourite JW's scores.Don't you realize you're underrating them, though?I will contemplate in on a Tree of Woe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 388 Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 It's vitally important to understand that if you don't like a piece of music that others like, you're underrating it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 859 Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 So that means Hans Zimmer & RC are underrated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 388 Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 So that means Hans Zimmer & RC are underrated? I can think of someone here who would say yes... My point is that if you take this discussion to its logical conclusion, you pretty much end up right back where you began. Certain genres in film music tend to have a wider audience (i.e., action-adventure); certain styles of writing tend to be more popular (i.e., rich melodicism); but, ultimately, everyone has somewhat different tastes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,391 Posted August 19, 2009 Author Share Posted August 19, 2009 In layman's terms: whilst the vast majority of people will sing the praises JW's Star Wars, there will always be a few who always bang on about Sabrina instead.So that means Hans Zimmer is underrated? If this minuscule message board of about 20-odd regulars accurately represents the entire planet and its 6 billion human occupants, then yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hlao-roo 388 Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 Hans Zimmer is underrated by sea urchins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,391 Posted August 19, 2009 Author Share Posted August 19, 2009 So not only is he underrated on this bit of fluff down the back of the interweb, it seems there are fans beneath the waves of the sea who feel he should be more appreciated too. What a waste of time, if only they knew how much everyone loves him really! They really needn't worry themselves, bless 'em. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 859 Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 So that means Hans Zimmer & RC are underrated? I can think of someone here who would say yes... My point is that if you take this discussion to its logical conclusion, you pretty much end up right back where you began. Certain genres in film music tend to have a wider audience (i.e., action-adventure); certain styles of writing tend to be more popular (i.e., rich melodicism); but, ultimately, everyone has somewhat different tastes.Perhaps the title of the thread should be: Not truly grasping the greatness of the music. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Parker 3,017 Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 I personally tend to interpret "underrated" as "undermentioned". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maglorfin 195 Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 The Cowboys have also never received quite the praise they deserve, methinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marian Schedenig 5,520 Posted August 19, 2009 Share Posted August 19, 2009 Attack. Of. The. Clones.True.After watching the film recently, I think I can say that I am content with the original album, as far as content is concerned. Save for the music leading up to Dracula's entrance, I did not notice anything missing that was truly necessary. I would still buy an expanded issue, though, of course.I've seen the film long ago and as far as I remember, I didn't really miss any important music on the CD. But I'd buy a remastered release instantly just for the improved sound.Close Encounters and Jaws are very far from being underated. They are mentioned, discussed and praised all the time. At most, Jaws and Close Encounters are so highly regarded that sometimes their praise is taken for granted and therefor not voiced so veemently.Agreed on Jaws. But CE3K is in that very special league of scores that are underrated as soon as there are people who are not completely enthusiastic about it, and there are a few on this board.The River. It's awesome but few know it (not on this board perhaps, but overall).It's lovely. I love The Pony Ride. I wouldn't call it awesome though.1) Sabrina2) The Missouri Breaks3) AlwaysThey are in my top 10 Williams scores but unfortunately in nobody else's.They( esp. 2 and 3) are among my least favourite JW's scores.I really don't like Sabrina.The Cowboys have also never received quite the praise they deserve, methinks.True. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 I enjoy The Missouri Breaks a lot, though I certainly wouldn't call it a top 10 score. The love theme is one of JW's best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indy4 152 Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 Sabrina and Cowboys are both great, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSM 85 Posted August 20, 2009 Share Posted August 20, 2009 1) Sabrina2) The Missouri Breaks3) AlwaysThey are in my top 10 Williams scores but unfortunately in nobody else's.They( esp. 2 and 3) are among my least favourite JW's scores.:s Maybe give them another chance. I would prefer them ANY time over my Superman or Jaws album (ALBUM mind you). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neimoidian 13 Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 1) Sabrina2) The Missouri Breaks3) AlwaysThey are in my top 10 Williams scores but unfortunately in nobody else's.They( esp. 2 and 3) are among my least favourite JW's scores.:s Maybe give them another chance. I would prefer them ANY time over my Superman or Jaws album (ALBUM mind you).I gave them, but they're not my cup of tea. On the other hand there is a great deal of JW's non-classic scores that I really like - The River, The Eiger Sanction, Cinderella Liberty, Sleepers, Stepmom or Images.... In some cases I prefer that "underplayed" Williams over his more famous works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AC1 3,565 Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 The River is something you can get tired of. It's not something that you keep coming back to for the rest of your life. It's not an 'evergreen', if you know what I mean.Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neimoidian 13 Posted August 21, 2009 Share Posted August 21, 2009 The River is something you can get tired of. It's not something that you keep coming back to for the rest of your life. It's not an 'evergreen', if you know what I mean.AlexIt depends. I find it truly interesting and highly enjoyable. I come back to it way more often than I do it with, say, The Fury or Jurassic Park. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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