The Official La-La Land Records Thread

[Henry B 49]

If the masters were destroyed, does this mean the Alien 3 isolated score is just taken from the sound mix? ie: Phantom Menace UE?

Yes, I would think so. Most isolated scores come from the music stems (music edited for the sound mix). Then there are special isolated scores like Goldsmith's original Alien taken from other sources.

[Trent B 317]

I don't think The Phantom Menace was taken directly from the music stems of the film. If it had been we would have gotten the true film version for "Augie's Great Municipal Band" as well as a couple of other cues that ended up not really being their true film versions at all.

[Henry B 49]

It's possible the film stems were used as a basis, then music editors replaced a few tracks. Probably the source music was taken from other elements so as not to dip in volume and cut out as it did in the film.

[OneBuckFilms 181]

Trent,

The Phantom Menace Ultimate Edition sounds so much like an isolated score to me, complete with bad edits, that it may very well have come from the film's music stem.

Maybe they had a couple of different versions and mixdowns, using different takes?

It may be further revisions were made after a particular music mix is made, and a later version of the score mix may have been used.

It's also possible that the film stems were the main source, but other sources may have been used on occasion.

Either way, it's one really poor presentation of the score.

[Ollie 859]

Apologies if I'm wrong, but weren't the cues taken from Wannberg's mix/cut/edit and then tweaked for a release?

[John Crichton 4]

Apologies if I'm wrong, but weren't the cues taken from Wannberg's mix/cut/edit and then tweaked for a release?

I remember hearing that as well, straight from his hard drive I think.

[Trent B 317]

I guess that would make sense. I do wish though they had kept the true film version for "Augie's Great Municipal Band" instead of the original album version.

[FrankV 168]

Howdy y'all!

Coming at ya next week, Sept 7, 2010 at NOON PST are two new LLL Limited Edition titles:

HELL'S BELLES -- Limited Edition of 1200 units

Music by Les Baxter

Produced by Ford A. Thaxton

Mastered by James Nelson

Liner Notes by Randall Larson

Art Direction by Mark Banning

Retail Price: $19.98

Les Baxter fast and furious score to one of AIP's "classic" motorcycle films comes roarin' at you for the first time on cd. For this release, the producer went back to the original 1/4 inch elements and prepared one wild album. As presented, the original album assembly is first followed by a handful of bonus tracks. Album cover features, in our opinion, one of the best one sheets EVER!

DUNSTON CHECKS IN - Limited Edition of 1200 units

Music by Miles Goodman

Produced by Nick Redman and Mike Matessino

Mastered by Daniel Hersch

Liner Notes by Daniel Schweiger

Art Direction by David Fein

Retail Price: $19.98

La La Land goes APE over of our latest release -- Miles Goodman's heartwarming, comical tale of a boy and a monkey. smile A must have for any fan of Simian Cinema! But seriously this score is FANTASTIC!

MV

[Jay 27,216]

Jesus Christ you're fast!

[Trent B 317]

I was right the labels tend to work with each other if one releases a big release the other two will do a smaller release. Intrada and LLL knew FSM was releasing the Star Trek TNG box set, which will most likely be out next week after Labor Day weekend. That's gonna be my only purchase for September, anything else that comes out after that, if I want it, it will have to wait until October to be paid for.

[Charlie Brigden 5]

It'd be hilarious if Dunston Checks In broke the Predator/SpaceCamp record.

[Henry B 49]

Good to see more Les Baxter! I wonder if his Roger Corman scores will ever be released (considering the producer, though, I doubt the masters are pristine).

[Koray Savas 2,095]

Dunston Checks In. Oh, the memories I have of watching that stupid movie over and over.

[Delorean90 32]

Yeah, that was a favorite of mine when I was a kid. I'll need to grab this sucker--hopefully it won't sell out too fast.

[Kendal_Ozzel 32]

Glad to see LLL showing some more love for Miles Goodman. There may be hope for What About Bob? yet.

[Jay 27,216]

I love MV's new Dunston Checks In avatar!!

[Jay 27,216]

Here's a report from somebody who attended the Film Music gathering in LA on August 28th:

MV told me that (with a slight grin on his face when I mentioned "Hook") only Spielberg and Williams have the say on what is released. MV wouldn't elaborate further, but he seemed to indicate that La-La had been efforting a release, and Spielberg and Williams are the ones they are counting on for permission.

As to Die Hard, Michael Wandmacher (composer of "Piranha 3-D") had mentioned how he had bought the limited release of Die Hard, and had it mounted on his wall in clear plastic, unopened. MV commented from the side, "I'd sell it quick if I were you." This comment brought chuckles of knowing form all within earshot. Perhaps La-La is planning a more prominent Die Hard release?

I also questioned MV about the Batman Returns. It is scheduled for October 19, 2010, and is a 2-disc set the same price as Batman was last month. The source material was in much better quality, and the two discs will comprise only the full film score and alternates, and not a remastering of the original album release. That means much more music spread over two discs, than the first film's score!

source: http://www.moviemusic.com/mb/Forum1/HTML/017572.html

[BloodBoal 7,532]

[Jay 27,216]

Yup thats exactly why I changed my avatar to HOOK after ID4 and combined it with the quote.... I knew it would be the next big La La Land release

[Incanus 5,519]

Yup thats exactly why I changed my avatar to HOOK after ID4.... I knew it would be the next big La La Land release

Let's just hope Williams in his infinite modesty won't torpedo this.

[Andy 1,492]

I've often wondered how Williams regarded the final product on Hook, after it evolved from the early musical version. Is he pleased with it, or does he regard it as an unfulfilled idea?

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,476]

Bangarang.

[Hlao-roo 388]

I've often wondered how Williams regarded the final product on Hook, after it evolved from the early musical version. Is he pleased with it, or does he regard it as an unfulfilled idea?

"Is he pleased with it"? Williams is nothing less than humbled that Steven Spielberg thinks enough of him to even consider him for his projects.

[Koray Savas 2,095]

If JW is involved, we're all screwed!

[BloodBoal 7,532]

[fommes 126]

If JW is involved, we're all screwed!

Quoted for truth!

[Trent B 317]

I hope Mike Matessino is on the case for Hook. That way if he is we'll get everything we want for it plus good sound.

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,476]

Williams has to like Hook. He's conducted the music in concert many times.

The real question is, where the hell did Hook go after the crocodile fell onto him? Why did the crocodile come to life for a couple seconds and just fall down dead? Maybe he just stumbled down and banged his head, which knocked him out. But if Tink's magic dust can bring a crocodile that's been dead 20+ years to life, why doesn't she sprinkle some on Rufio?

[ManofDestiny 56]

Hook! When?

[Joe Brausam 203]

...did the croc really come back to life? I thought it just toppled over.

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,476]

It looks down, opens its mouth and is like, "rooooarrr!"

[Trent B 317]

The set for Hook may disappear just as fast as Hook did when he got "eaten" by the Croc.

[publicist 4,484]

The comment from MV seems to indicate the project is still in early planning stages. If it would come out in November, Spielberg and Williams would have made their 'contributions' a long time ago.

[Marian Schedenig 5,520]

I hope Mike Matessino is on the case for Hook. That way if he is we'll get everything we want for it plus good sound.

Only if Williams lets him.

[Ollie 859]

The comment from MV seems to indicate the project is still in early planning stages. If it would come out in November, Spielberg and Williams would have made their 'contributions' a long time ago.

Yeah that's how I read it too.

Lalaland has looked into a release but nothing has been approved yet.

[Jay 27,216]

I'd wager money that Hook is one of their 3 November 30th titles

[Ollie 859]

And it may very well be.

When it comes to any film music related to Spielberg & Williams, and you might as well add Lucas, I don't expect anything until the CD is actually announced.

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,476]

Sadly, my Hook DVD is now scratched and freezes at certain points.

[Jay 27,216]

I don't see why Spielberg would have anything to do with OKing a CD release. I think MV was just being silly with that.

John Williams does seem to have the power to yay or nay any CD release to a post 1980ish or so movie. His fingerprints are clearly on expanded Close Encounters, expanded ET, expanded Jaws, the other expanded ET, and the Indy box set.

But then there are some post 1980ish releases that he seemed to have no input in at all, such as Heartbeeps, Home Alone II Deluxe, Phantom Menace Ultimate, Star Wars anthology and SEs. So I don't see why Hook should be terribly difficult to do. Seems JW is willing to sign off on a release if he is asked. There's never been any news of him denying an entire release, just news of him getting involved with the track selection and arrangement once he is asked (Jaws and Indy box especially)

[Ollie 859]

Williams has denied a release of the Sugarland Express.

Spielberg does have a say if it's his baby. Intrada had to run the CDs for Amazing Stories by Spielberg for final approval.

Although with Spielberg, seeing that he is a film music fan as well, it's probably not that big of an issue. And if my memory is correct, Williams did sign off on TPM:UE.

[Jay 27,216]

Yes, I agree that he has signed off on any CD release of a post 1980 or so score. Its just that sometimes he gets involved in the track selection (Indy box), sometimes he clearly doesn't (Heartbeeps, Home Alone II).

I didn't know Spielberg had to sign off on the Amazing Stories CDs... how odd. I don't he'd complain about any release, honestly.

Hopefully Hook will open the doors for other Spielberg/Williams releases getting expanded... hopefully starting with the Jurassic Parks!

[publicist 4,484]

I remember either Matessino or Redman saying that it`s always a nice gesture to invite the composer to supervise, but that he can be a pain the ass, as Goldsmith was on STAR TREK.

I suspect that HOOK would require a lot of work, so i think it's rather unlikely to come anytime soon - Lalaland has enough confirmed releases in their pipeline. I suspect GREMLINS is much more likely for this year and STAR TREK V as well (as i`ve heard through the grapevine).

My little dream release for november would be DRACULA remastered and expanded. One can dream.

[Jay 27,216]

I agree HOOK would take a lot of work, and I think that they have been working on it all year

[Andy 1,492]

I seem to recall a very old interview with Matessino saying how much he wanted to do Hook as his next project. I would imagine that it is on its way. Usually if the answer is a resounding "no", the folks involved seem to share that with the fans, like Sugarland, or in the case of lost master tapes. I haven't heard that, so I'd say it will happen, but will it be as soon as this year?

[TownerFan 4,548]

Hopefully Hook will open the doors for other Spielberg/Williams releases getting expanded... hopefully starting with the Jurassic Parks!

A complete 1941 has the priority over any other Spielberg/Williams expansion, imho.

[Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,476]

We need most of them expanded/complete, which is ridiculous.

They should do a compilation of unreleased cues from the odd titles where we have most of the music. For instance, Raiders, E.T., Jurassic Park, Close Encounters.

[BloodBoal 7,532]

[Trent B 317]

Edit: Posted in the wrong thread.

[Ollie 859]

I don't get it why people would want expanded release. I mean, yeah, that's better than nothing, but complete is THE thing ! But maybe I'm biased : to me, 'expanded' means : 'alternates', 'music with dialogue from the film' (and not from the scene where the music plays), and music not even in the film. Damn you, Back To Titanic and More Music from Braveheart !

I'm sure when most people post expanded, they probably mean complete.

[publicist 4,484]

I don't get it why people would want expanded release. I mean, yeah, that's better than nothing, but complete is THE thing ! But maybe I'm biased : to me, 'expanded' means : 'alternates', 'music with dialogue from the film' (and not from the scene where the music plays), and music not even in the film. Damn you, Back To Titanic and More Music from Braveheart !

I'm sure when most people post expanded, they probably mean complete.

The 20 minute-war/duel sequence is complete enough for me. Although i'm fairly certain there would be a big outrage over the exclusion of 20 variations on 'Take me out to the Ball Game'.