NO Ultimate Edition of AOTC released by Sony!?

[PetePan 163]

Read the e-mail on the main jwfan page that Mike Petersen sent to Sony.

It is a pretty short answer Sony gave, and you can make several things out of it:

1. Sony will not release an Ultimate Edition like they did with TPM. so the edition they are planning to release has the music in it's right order and contains all music as Williams intention was.

2. Sony has no plans AT ALL to release a second AOTC CD. But then they replied to Petersen with "you're lucky". Lucky of what?

What is your opinion. Are they doing the right thing this time or is there no CD being released??

Let's hope the for the first...

[Jim Ware 525]

Hmmm. That's a slightly cryptic response.

I wouldn't trust anything that Sony Classical says. Remember that the bonus track was a Wal-Mart exclusive, not available outside the US. :roll:

[Guest]

Lucky about not getting the 'so-called Ultimate Edition' - in other words, Mike Petersen whined and complained so much that they felt he was in luck that this is not going to happen. Mike... you're a dork - this certainly hasn't helped the cause...

[Tippett 0]

Let´s hope for a "Unedited Edition" of AOTC

[Adoy 1]

Lucky about not getting the 'so-called Ultimate Edition' - in other words, Mike Petersen whined and complained so much that they felt he was in luck that this is not going to happen. Mike... you're a dork - this certainly hasn't helped the cause...

Sing it out, Simon!!! Who is this Mike Petersen and who gave him the authority to write Sony on behalf of all JW fans? He certainly didn't have my permission to tell them "put out all 110 minutes or nothing at all." There might not be two hours of totally new music in the movie but we are bound to get a lot more in an UE than we already have.

I have no problem with people speaking their minds, it's part of what makes the world go around. I do, however, have a problem when they include me in their opinion when I don't particularly share it 100%.

It took us 20 years to get the official, complete (mostly) scores for the OT, I personally don't want to wait another 20 years for these.

I respect your opinion, Mr. Petersen, but in the future, I would appreciate you using the words "I" or "me" instead of "us" when composing your e-mails.

Thank you.

[Justin 2]

Everybody whined about the UE Simon.

Justin

[Wickenstein 0]

Whoa whoa, hold your horses boys. I'm sure Sony Classical didn't decide to hault their plans for a UE just because of this guys letter. That's silly. There is barely anyone who liked the UE(not the music but the album). Their decision is based on that.

That we might not get a 2 CD set within the next year really sucks. For now I can cling to the hope that Sony is going to release a complete edition instead. I'm too much of a cynic to really believe this though. Damn. The DVD release in November would have been a perfect time.

[Kjeldtoft 0]

I actually enjoyed the TPM Ultimate Edition. Still do, of course.

Hope that Sony will release something like an UE. Then again I agree, that it would be great with an "unediting edition".

The reason for the short answer from Sony is probably - "Leave us alone. We'll decide what to do!!".

Probably been to many negative reactions to the TPM UE.

But what the heck - what do they actually think. Of course there will be a lot of reactions from people. Star Wars is THE MUSIC that people want.

Aaaaaah. I have gone to far already.....

[KittBash 282]

Well now I'm scared!!! I hope that the reponse from Sony WAS a cryptic ploy to set us off the track!! I'm like most of you and would love to get an unedited version of AOTC but if I have to I would take a UE over nothing at all in a heartbeat. Maybe Sony figured that since the movie has so much Phantom Menace music in it that it doesn't warrent another release. Maybe It's like last time when we were told they didn't have plans but months later revealed the UE.

Anyway whatever they do I don't care (well ok I do! ) but all I want is more AOTC music!! The more JW the better we all are!

[ST-321 4]

So how do we contact Sony Classical to tell them that we WANT more music from EII (or from A.I.)?

I for one would happily be part of a letter writing campaign.

[John Takis 206]

First of all ... right, like Sony Classical is going to TELL YOU they have an Ultimate Edition in the works! So we can what ... trumpet the news over the internet? Bring sales of the single-disc OST to a screeching halt? Cost them millions of dollars? Right ...

Secondly, an Ultimate Edition petition resource is in the works. Expect something in the next few days.

[ocelot 508]

Why not enjoy what we have and if anything else is released, it's a nice bonus!!! You know what the problem is here? We are like little spoilt children who always get treated to a little more. I mean yes I would love to have a 2CD that is unedited but come on guys, be thankful for what we do get. A lot of composers don't even get one CD of their score released, we get a track of theirs on a song album. We are lucky that Williams get's his own albums every single time, bar none. Enjoy it! That goes to me too!!!

[JoeinAR 1,949]

Thats ok, we will have the dvd before the year is out. Then Chris will rip out the score and trade to any and all.

Joe, who expects to double or even triple the number of dvd's he owns this year.

[MistaMusic 2]

Well Sony Classical also told me and other people that they didn't plan on releasing a score album of Spider-Man, but according to online and local CD stores, it's release is only a week away.

[Ricard 2,242]

Mike... you're a dork

We do not use that language on this message board.

Thanks.

[Rogue_Leader 2]

Who the hell cares?? The less score releases from Sony trhe better. Now Lucasfilm will have to hire a REAL record producer to make the expanded release.

[AHerrera83 0]

You know, I don't think it's so much a matter of what Sony plans or doesn't plan to do, but a direct response to the tone of the letter. While I think Mike's letter is respectful, it does tell Sony all the things they did wrong with the TPM UE and has a negative attitude in general toward Sony and Lucasfilm.

No one wants to be told what they've done wrong, and in the case of TPM UE, I have read in this and other message boards requests to have the music presented exactly and in the order as it was heard in the film, so in a sense, Sony did give fans what they asked for.

Perhaps if we worded a petition more carefully, avoiding the negative implications and just plainly asking what we'd like to see? A little appreciation and enthusiasm will go a lot farther than criticism and demands. If Sony sees a business opportunity, of course they'll take it.

[King Mark 3,624]

I don't know,if they release an UE as heard in the film I'd skip it this time around.I mean,whatever unreleased music came before the end battle didn't seem all that entralling or drew my attention in any way,mostly short cues for dialogue scenes(do you REALLY want the music for Corde's death?or whatever was playing when Padme and Anakin speak in front of a log fire or are eating a pear...)...and if we get the end battle tracked from TPM,then what's the point.I think we probably got the best of whatever Williams wrote on an already pretty long 1 c.d. release,and as for the end battle,maybe in 20 years we'll know what he intended really.

On the TPM UE,we at least had tons of GREAT unreleased cues that were OBVIOUS upon a FIRST viewing of the movie.

-Fighting the Destroyer Droids

-Trade Federation landing

-Escort of the Queen

-Entering the Hangar

-The Pod Roars to life

-Midichlorian count

-Watto's roll of the dice

-Talk of pod Racing

-Hail to the Winner,Anakin Skywalker

-Anakin is Fee

-Desert Duel

-The Senate

-all the funky tatooine source music

-The Tide Turns

and that's only on top of my head.......and why I wanted SO much for Sony to release a TPM 2 c.d. set.

ANYBODY heard anything as striking or interesting as these or blatantly missing from the c.d. while watching AOTC?????(I'm talking about whatever unreleased music before the end battle of course)

K.M.

[Chris ChrusherComix 46]

Thats ok, we will have the dvd before the year is out.   Then Chris will rip out the score and trade to any and all.

Joe, who expects to double or even triple the number of dvd's he owns this year.

:twisted:

[Guest]

I mean,whatever unreleased music came before the end battle didn't seem all that entralling or drew my attention in any way,mostly short cues for dialogue scenes(do you REALLY want the music for Corde's death?or whatever was playing when Padme and Anakin speak in front of a log fire or are eating a pear...)

Actually, the pear-eating cue and the "fireside chat" are on the CD. I know the pear-eating one is, because I remember that "Arabic" motif being played by a high, gentle flute that went PERFECTLY with Anakin using the Force to float the pear across the table.

As for Corde's death, that would be worth having, because the last shot of the scene shows Padme looking down at Corde, while a little hint of one of the ANH motifs repeats (it's the "stormtroopers" theme--it's played prominently in between the shots in the trash compactor sequence when the stormtroopers bust into the control room and the trooper hits his head on the door).

I'd like the source music from Dex's Diner and another transition cue that either shows the Coruscant freighter arriving at Naboo or it's just travelling through space. Whatever it is, it's brassy and quite melodic in that Williams kind of way. What about the Emperor's theme from the scene in Palpatine's office and the Imperial March motif from the scene in the Lars garage? All of that's some great stuff. It'd be nice to have the alternate cue for the sweeping shots of the clone armies being deployed on Coruscant that was replaced by the bombastic (and oddly-placed) Imperial March. The London Voices member said the original ending was better than the Imp. March. Too bad there's not an alternate of the love theme used during the finale, other than what's on the CD and the film version. Something that had some ornamental experimentation of the theme (like "Han and Leia's" theme from TESB).

I wonder why Williams just doesn't play with variations in Star Wars films much anymore? Compared to ANH, AOTC has no motifs, hardly. ANH was one motif after another. Especially in scenes like "The Last Battle", it's main title, Force, main title, Force, main title, main title, Force, Force Force without coming up for air. Nowadays, with TPM and AOTC, you're lucky to get ONE variation. I know there's some variation involved when the quote is moved up or down in pitch, but I'm talking like modifying the quote. Moving notes a step or so up or down to convey some kind of emotion. The best example (and only one) of this being done was in "Meadow Picnic" with the big explosion of the love theme after the bell lead-in.

[Chris ChrusherComix 46]

KM does have a point. The album did contain most of the memorable music that I heard after one viewing (I've been too busyt to see it again, but I plan to soon), but not all of it.

PLUS, how much do you wanna' bet that there is a TRUCKLOAD of AWESOME UNUSED music in that massive battle and alternates (we know of at least one... the grand finale has an alternate)? I'd be willing to bet quite a bit.

But, with Star Wars? I have to have it all. I would support any petition that John Takis & Co. are cooking up.

[Chris ChrusherComix 46]

Double-post....

[Chris ChrusherComix 46]

As for Corde's death, that would be worth having, because the last shot of the scene shows Padme looking down at Corde, while a little hint of one of the ANH motifs repeats (it's the "stormtroopers" theme--it's played prominently in between the shots in the trash compactor sequence when the stormtroopers bust into the control room and the trooper hits his head on the door).  

I wonder why Williams just doesn't play with variations in Star Wars films much anymore?  Compared to ANH, AOTC has no motifs, hardly.  ANH was one motif after another.  Especially in scenes like "The Last Battle", it's main title, Force, main title, Force, main title, main title, Force, Force Force without coming up for air.  Nowadays, with TPM and AOTC, you're lucky to get ONE variation.  I know there's some variation involved when the quote is moved up or down in pitch, but I'm talking like modifying the quote.  Moving notes a step or so up or down to convey some kind of emotion.  The best example (and only one) of this being done was in "Meadow Picnic" with the big explosion of the love theme after the bell lead-in.

Good points. I have wondered why the Imperial theme/motif from Star Wars: ANH was completely dropped when Vader's theme took over. If you ask me, Williams SHOULD use that as an Imperial theme FOR the clones/stormtroopers. I always associated the Battle Droid march from TPM WITh the Battle Droids, so although it was cool on screen, I felt that ANH's Imperial theme/motif would have worked WONDERS and brought a sense of the 1st film to this one. Maybe Williams used it and Lucas changed it? Who knows...

Lucas makes this ingenious story that so many people love... and then sabotages his own creation by making billions of edits and last second changes, and the worst of these is the way that the music is treated as an afterthought. It's very frustrating.

[King Mark 3,624]

If the Imperial March is Vader's theme,what the f*uck is it doing in a scene when neither Vader or Anakin is in ,even if it sounds good.

K.M.

[Guest]

I wonder when Lucas revises the Special Edition (since, to him, no older versions exist), if he'll replace the old music with stuff created in TPM or not? Hopefully he won't try to make the sequels more like the prequels, instead of the sequels more like the prequels. That would CRUMBLE TESB's score and possibly storyline (although adding the wampa room scene and the music for the carbon freezing chamber duel would be enjoyable).

[Chris ChrusherComix 46]

I wonder when Lucas revises the Special Edition (since, to him, no older versions exist), if he'll replace the old music with stuff created in TPM or not?  Hopefully he won't try to make the sequels more like the prequels, instead of the sequels more like the prequels.  That would CRUMBLE TESB's score and possibly storyline (although adding the wampa room scene and the music for the carbon freezing chamber duel would be enjoyable).

I agree. And the deleted SW:ANH Tatooine footage, especially the Biggs scene. And the Luke telepathic communication with Vader in ROTJ (that we have the music to on the SE CDs).

I don't mind Lucas sprucing things up or adding a scene here or there... but I get mad when he alters perfectly good scenes (like the Greedo shot and the Luke scream).

If the Imperial March is Vader's theme,what the f*uck is it doing in a scene when neither Vader or Anakin is in ,even if it sounds good.  

K.M.  

Agreed.

-Chris, Who gets BOMBARDED with Klez viruses DAILY!!! I've just deleted 10 of them in the past hour!!!!!!! :evil: :evil: :evil:

[Harry Potter 0]

If the Imperial March is Vader's theme,what the f*uck is it doing in a scene when neither Vader or Anakin is in ,even if it sounds good.

K.M.

Because it's exactly its title: The IMPERIAL March. Along with DV's theme, it represents the Imperials.

~Harry

[Morn 8]

(do you REALLY want the music for Corde's death?or whatever was playing when Padme and Anakin speak in front of a log fire or are eating a pear...)...and if we get the end battle tracked from TPM,then what's the point.I think we probably got the best of whatever Williams wrote on an already pretty long 1 c.d. release,and as for the end battle,maybe in 20 years we'll know what he intended really.  

I want all the music in Williams order, what about the great stuff in the music video? And Yoda's theme? The music when Annie tell Padme what he has done? And i'm sure there is more, i've only seen the film once.

[Chris ChrusherComix 46]

If the Imperial March is Vader's theme,what the f*uck is it doing in a scene when neither Vader or Anakin is in ,even if it sounds good.

K.M.

Because it's exactly its title: The IMPERIAL March. Along with DV's theme, it represents the Imperials.

~Harry

Yes. It IS named that on the original 1980 ESB soundtrack.

But what KM and I mean is that BEFORE Vader exists, and while the Imperials are just starting to form, we have the full theme blasting out? I'd rather have Williams' original statement that got dropped...

[Director 1]

How annoying.

Director - who will get to the bottom of this

[Harry Potter 0]

If the Imperial March is Vader's theme,what the f*uck is it doing in a scene when neither Vader or Anakin is in ,even if it sounds good.

K.M.

Because it's exactly its title: The IMPERIAL March. Along with DV's theme, it represents the Imperials.

~Harry

Yes. It IS named that on the original 1980 ESB soundtrack.

But what KM and I mean is that BEFORE Vader exists, and while the Imperials are just starting to form, we have the full theme blasting out? I'd rather have Williams' original statement that got dropped...

I'm not sure I understand what the "original statement" is of which you are talking.

~Harry

[ChrisAfonso 186]

The thing about which the viola player (?) was speaking who gave a report from the scoring sessions... a monumental outburst of theme, which he found really great. This was replaced with the Imperial March.

-Chris

[Morn 8]

I think the Imperial March was a good choice, the start of the Empire is something to annouce in a big way!

[Hlao-roo 389]

If the Imperial March is Vader's theme,what the f*uck is it doing in a scene when neither Vader or Anakin is in ,even if it sounds good.

K.M.

Because it's exactly its title: The IMPERIAL March. Along with DV's theme, it represents the Imperials.

~Harry

Yes. It IS named that on the original 1980 ESB soundtrack.

But what KM and I mean is that BEFORE Vader exists, and while the Imperials are just starting to form, we have the full theme blasting out? I'd rather have Williams' original statement that got dropped...

I'm not sure I understand what the "original statement" is of which you are talking.

~Harry

The "massive orchestral blowout" mentioned by the London Voices member.

[King Mark 3,624]

If the Imperial March is Vader's theme,what the f*uck is it doing in a scene when neither Vader or Anakin is in ,even if it sounds good.

K.M.

Because it's exactly its title: The IMPERIAL March. Along with DV's theme, it represents the Imperials.

~Harry

Crusher is dead on.There is no "Empire" yet either.

BTW,I would have only expected a full bold statement of The Imperial March in ep3 when we see Darth Vader appear at the end(which will likely happen).

K.M.