King Mark 3,631 Posted October 21, 2010 Share Posted October 21, 2010 Put it this way - if the A.I. sessions had just leaked, I wouldn't be celebrating very much.well the 2 c.d academy promo has about 95% of the music Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted October 21, 2010 Share Posted October 21, 2010 I find AI more rewarding than what I have heard of Potter. This could change by the time I listen to the sessions, but for JW it's challenging stuff and I'm not surprised many find it boring. On the other hand, I've never made it through any of the Potter OSTs without getting bored. I'm hoping the HPPS sessions will change that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted October 21, 2010 Share Posted October 21, 2010 I mean it should,it's pretty top notch JW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted October 21, 2010 Share Posted October 21, 2010 I'm one of the sheep JW fans that likes all the big blockbusters, not so much Nixon, Missouri Breaks or Sleepers, for instance. For me, it's more:Star Wars TrilogyE.T.JawsSupermanHookClose EncountersIndiana Jones TrilogyHome Alone and 2Harry Potter 1Jurassic ParkThe Mission (Amazing Stories)Those are my favorites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,041 Posted October 21, 2010 Author Share Posted October 21, 2010 Williams' most popular scores are popular for a reason - and it's not just the fact that the films themselves are better-known. The scores that fans frequently cite as their favorites tend to have very clear, deliberate, accessible emotional content. Williams says what he's trying to say loud and clear - or quiet and clear, but clear in any case. He doesn't bend the rules of film scoring very much at all, but he combines elements in strong, memorable, novel ways. Some people prefer his less "obvious" works, and that's fine, but I tend to gravitate toward the big titles, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demondm810 399 Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 AI is a masterpiece. I listen to it all the time. Quite far from overrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry B 50 Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 A.I. may be my favorite score from him... ever... but the HP scores are pretty cool too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demondm810 399 Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 I think what amazes me the most about AI is Williams' ability to really "get" the material and mood of the film itself, and translate it to music. It's unbelievable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 I find that I read more about AI and PoA being overrated than I am actually reading high ratings of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,041 Posted October 22, 2010 Author Share Posted October 22, 2010 Haha, yup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 Danger. The A.I. and POA overpraising is now activated. The thread will detonate in T-minus 10 minutes. The option to override automatic detonation expires in T-minus 5 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 AI is a damn fine score, as I've said many times I consider it Williams' best non-franchise score of the decade. SS is wonderful too though, choosing between the two is tough. SS is Williams doing all the things Williams does best, while AI is something different. Neither style is necessarily superior in my book.But both beat PoA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 Danger. The A.I. and POA overpraising is now activated. The thread will detonate in T-minus 10 minutes. The option to override automatic detonation expires in T-minus 5 minutes.I see what you did there. You made a reference to that movie. Uhhh... Happy Gilmore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Mark 3,631 Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 A.I. and PoA are also great. but like I said HPSS climbed into the top 5 Williams scores of all time for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 Anyone else like The Accidental Tourist? I love that score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 Anyone else like The Accidental Tourist? I love that score.Oh gosh, that is one of few Williams scores that can really bring me to tears. I hate to listen to specific tracks. I always just let the whole album play through whenever I listen to it. It's really wonderful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 I think HPSS>>> A.I.I think it's really HPPS = A.I. (almost, but not quite, on the same level as Jurassic Park = Schindler's List)They are both 2 top-notch scores, but in different ways. And I admit I would have liked to see HPPS win the Oscar that night... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Crichton 4 Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 What a year- AI, SS, and FotR battling it out for the score Oscar that night. Why can't we have that anymore? Nowadays we're lucky to have one or two passable nominees, not to mention the recent horrid list of "winners" before Giacchino's well deserved win this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 A.I. and PoA are also great. but like I said HPSS climbed into the top 5 Williams scores of all time for meTop 5? JW has written Jaws, E.T., Star Wars, Empire Strikes Back, Return of the Jedi, Raiders, Temple of Doom, Schindler's List, The Last Crusade, Jurassic Park, The Phantom Menace, Prisoner of Azkaban...But yeah, for me, it's definitely in the Top 15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 It's a heavy-handed score, for sure and it stately reinforces the weaknesses of Columbus' direction. As such it was rightly critizized for its overbearing nature when the movie came out (by now, the nostalgic waxing already has set in). That it has its charm is without question, but Oscar-worthy? Hardly...You're a fool. And you will lose...everything.A.I. and POA are easily the most overrated scores among JW fans.HP1 is the best score JW composed in the 2000's. My favorite since Hook. The first sign that we were in for a treat was the trailer. On November 16 it was obvious from the WB logo (all of 5 seconds of music, mind you) this was a JW modern classic. I just got visions of angry geeks in wizard costumes yelling AVADA KEDAVRA while storming the Dorothy Chandler pavilion after the winner enevelope for the 2001 best score is opened and FOTR is proclaimed winner. Howard Shore is battered senseless till he hands over his trophy to Williams. It takes an incredulous, openmouthed Williams to calm the geeks down - they only leave when he promises to take care of the whole Potter saga - and that one jolly tune with celeste and swirling strings will from now on attached to any motion picture score he will write in the future. This day then is declared as official holiday by JWFan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,041 Posted October 22, 2010 Author Share Posted October 22, 2010 Wait, there's jolly music in SS? How have I missed this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 A.I. & POA > HP:SSI find myself listening to POA more than any Potter score. Harry Potter doesn't even crack Williams' top 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TownerFan 4,983 Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 My bad for bringing the old argument "A.I. vs HPPS" up again uselessly.I too believe A.I. is a superior work and probably even more deserveful of an Academy Award, but I didn't want to make charts. I'm such in awe of Williams' artistry when listening to HPPS that I wrote the statement more from the guts than the brain (and yes, I think he should have won for it, in my very humble opinion). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 I just got visions of angry geeks in wizard costumes yelling AVADA KEDAVRA while storming the Dorothy Chandler pavilion after the winner enevelope for the 2001 best score is opened and FOTR is proclaimed winner.I had a similar mental vision in 2002, only it was angry fans in Dumbledore outfits outside Warner Bros. demanding first film be released in widescreen in Australia, then a security guard comes out and sprays them away with a high-pressure hose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 Wait, there's jolly music in SS? How have I missed this?An unfortunate accident involving a lobotomy, perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 My bad for bringing the old argument "A.I. vs HPPS" up again uselessly.I too believe A.I. is a superior work and probably even more deserveful of an Academy Award, but I didn't want to make charts. I'm such in awe of Williams' artistry when listening to HPPS that I wrote the statement more from the guts than the brain (and yes, I think he should have won for it, in my very humble opinion).Shame on you. Hey it's all opinions. HP:SS is a good score from Williams but in my opinion, he's done better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh500 1,615 Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 My bad for bringing the old argument "A.I. vs HPPS" up again uselessly.I too believe A.I. is a superior work and probably even more deserveful of an Academy Award, but I didn't want to make charts. I'm such in awe of Williams' artistry when listening to HPPS that I wrote the statement more from the guts than the brain (and yes, I think he should have won for it, in my very humble opinion).Well, there's no right or wrong here. It's a matter of taste. I bet if you looked hard enough there are people who prefer the Indy IV score to these 2. But that doesn't mean he or she is wrong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,683 Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 Hey it's all opinions. HP:SS is a good score from Williams but in my opinion, he's done better.I think it was perfect for the film. My problems with the score (twinkly, a little childish occasionally) are matched with flaws I see in the film.I'm not going to say no one could've scored it better, because that's fanboy talk and total rubbish, but it got the score it needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,794 Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 I dont know if this has been suggestend (probably yes) but just in case.The most feasible reason the early teaser music is not on the recording sessions is because it does not belong to those recording sessions. (It was recorded way before, and with other orchestra, probably one in the US).So its a case of just bad luck for us. (now if you even add the musix box guys...)If this score if officially realeased by one of the good labels we will probably have it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 That is of course the reason. The teaser music might have even been recorded on a different continent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,041 Posted October 22, 2010 Author Share Posted October 22, 2010 I'm not going to say no one could've scored it better, because that's fanboy talk and total rubbish, but it got the score it needed.No one could've scored it better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taikomochi 1,136 Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 Tyler Bates maybe. His brilliant, original score to 300 demonstrated he would be perfect for the job. C'mon! Overly loud, plagiarized passages from Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within or Alien 3 with a loud choir to demonstrate Harry's loneliness since the death of his parents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 Bruce Broughton could have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted October 22, 2010 Share Posted October 22, 2010 Man, if only Bruce Broughton could have done some of the sequels. Instead of what's-their-names. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 153 Posted November 8, 2010 Share Posted November 8, 2010 My edit runs just over 160 minutes, apparently (I also added the COS Harry's Wondrous World, to make the Children's Suite complete), so I'll have to burn it to three discs.Is anyone interested to make a nice back and front cover for me for the third disc? I'm going to include the extras on that one, including both the suite for orchestra, and the CS. The front cover should include the phrases "Children's Suite" and "Suite for Orchestra". The side spine is good if it's only the title of the film and "Children's Suite". Oh, and please leave space on the back cover for me to include the tracklist. Thanks in advance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demodex 557 Posted November 9, 2010 Share Posted November 9, 2010 Is it possible to hear your edit somewhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted November 9, 2010 Share Posted November 9, 2010 My playlist is now 57 tracks, 2:23:38 in length. I removed the Owl's Flights, Diagon Alley inserts and the other alternates since they don't really do anything for me and I don't consider them necessary. I also settled on using the album versions of Quidditch Match, Harry's Wondrous World and Hedwig's Theme. I still have The Wizard's Pub, Christmas Music Box, Hagrid Plays the Flute and Fluffy's Harp programmed in there, although I may get in the mood to remove them or sequence them at the end. I like Christmas Music Box too much to delete it. I have Cast a Christmas Spell, Christmas at Hogwarts (album) and Hedwig Tries a Cookie at the very end of my playlist, although I've been skipping them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxxie 1 Posted November 12, 2010 Share Posted November 12, 2010 Could someone please list which cues from this set are not used in the film? I haven't got the DVD to check! So far I think I've figured out that 'Owls Flight' isn't, are there any more? Simple answers please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 13, 2010 Share Posted November 13, 2010 Lonely night is also unused, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,041 Posted November 13, 2010 Author Share Posted November 13, 2010 "Potter Logo Version 1", "Lonely First Night", "It's Guarding Something", "Troll in the Dungeon", and "Owl's Flight" are completely unused in the scenes for which they were written. "Potter Logo Version 1" was tracked into "You're a Wizard, Harry", and "It's Guarding Something" and part of "Troll in the Dungeon" were tracked into the scene when the kids sneak out and petrify Neville. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,683 Posted November 13, 2010 Share Posted November 13, 2010 I listened to a good chunk of my set this evening, and noticed one thing: any time the music is meant to be scary or dramatic, it's ruined by 'playful' or 'comical' touches such as woodwinds/xylophone, and in the case of Face of Voldemort, to be absolutely frank, completely ruins it.Even if he's more technically capable than many composers working today, he sure has a very strange idea of what's appropriate for communicating danger or tension. Maybe it worked in movies 30 years ago, but I don't think it does now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,041 Posted November 13, 2010 Author Share Posted November 13, 2010 The woodwind/xylophone licks you're talking about aren't usually intended to be playful or comical. They're supposed to convey a sense of...chaotic tension, I would say. That's interesting that you hear it differently.Now, Williams waaaaaaaay overuses that these days, or at least uses it in too much of a "starring role", but the problem isn't that it sounds lighthearted, IMO. And I'm really not sure what you're hearing in "The Mirror Scene"...there's none of that whatsoever. For a family movie, it's pretty dark scoring for a pretty dark scene. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,683 Posted November 13, 2010 Share Posted November 13, 2010 I'm talking about the very end where that 'ghostly' thing knocks Harry down. The music descends into a twinkly mess.Chaotic tension? I guessed that's what it meant, but no, it doesn't work for me at all. I prefer subtler ways of conveying things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,041 Posted November 13, 2010 Author Share Posted November 13, 2010 That part definitely doesn't sound comical to me, although that part of the scene in the film certainly is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,794 Posted November 13, 2010 Share Posted November 13, 2010 a film about little kids aimed for little kids.yeah it has to be terrorific and dramatic.complain about the xylo in williams serious scores, not here, IMVHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted November 13, 2010 Share Posted November 13, 2010 I think the music sounding comical was more of an issue in KOTCS. Someone forgot to remind JW that he was scoring Indiana Jones 4, not Home Alone 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,041 Posted November 13, 2010 Author Share Posted November 13, 2010 Yeah, he really went overboard with that stuff in KOTCS. All the best moments of the score are the ones that hearken back to the way Williams used to do things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted November 13, 2010 Share Posted November 13, 2010 Perhaps this criticism of Harry Potter is more a case of don't hate the player, hate the game. I feel, in general, JW's music fit the material like a snug Quidditch glove. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,041 Posted November 13, 2010 Author Share Posted November 13, 2010 Agreed. It's not going to be to everyone's taste, but it fits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muad'Dib 1,802 Posted November 13, 2010 Share Posted November 13, 2010 Well, a lot of KOTCS is more a self-parody than an actual Indiana Jones movie. And I think John understood that it was a comical fun movie, nothing serious. And after all, none of the Indy scores have been really serious. Sure, they had fight music or scary music, but definetly not serious. I still say that the score from KOTCS is awesome. Maybe it wasn't as thematically developed as a lot of people expected, but if your hear The Jungle Chase and don't feel excited then you should probably stop listening to new Williams scores and stick to your favorites.And I think it was a more cohesive listen than the second and the third prequels. Sure, maybe it hasn't got as much personality of its own as TPM, but there are plenty of fantastic moments to enjoy.It's supposed to not be serious, after all. Stop taking everything seriously. It was a fun blockbuster movie, nothing more. Same with the other Indy movies and the Star Wars movies. There are far more engaging films out there that deserve the same or more praise that these ones get.Just my two and a half cents. Like someone cares, anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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