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What does "alt" or "rev" stand for? Does this mean revised and alternate?!

So if I got a sheet where "alt" or "rev" stands on top, does this mean that these music hasn't been used in the final film score?

And what does "M" for example in "1M3" stand for?

These are all kind of noobish questions but I realy need to know this...

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The M does not stands for measure!

I don't exactly know what the M stands for, but I do know that the first digit stands for the reel number and the last for cue number.

So for example when you have 2M6, that means: second reel, 6th cue; 4M2 is 4th reel, second cue, and so on.

Alt is alternate end Rev is revised like you said.

I think alternate is a different version of a cue (sometimes they record both and choose later. For example: in one version the melody can be played by a trumpet, but in the other version by an oboe).

Revised cues are cues that are changed during the composition process after remarks of the director. So they are most likely the cues you hear in the movie.

My 2 cents

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The M does not stands for measure!

I don't exactly know what the M stands for, but I do know that the first digit stands for the reel number and the last for cue number.

So for example when you have 2M6, that means: second reel, 6th cue; 4M2 is 4th reel, second cue, and so on.

Alt is alternate end Rev is revised like you said.

I think alternate is a different version of a cue (sometimes they record both and choose later. For example: in one version the melody can be played by a trumpet, but in the other version by an oboe).

Revised cues are cues that are changed during the composition process after remarks of the director. So they are most likely the cues you hear in the movie.

My 2 cents

As a note, some composers do not reset the music cue count every reel; e.g. some composers will get to 5m31 which does NOT mean there are 31 music cues in the fifth reel.

Alt cues can be smaller differences as mentioned above or completely different. That's up to the composer and director.

Revised cues are sometimes marked with a 'r' followed by what revision it is. E.g. 1m01r5 would be the fifth revision of the first cue of the first reel.

Ultimately, it's just a system to help keep everyone organized and on the same page (zing!).

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I've been curious to what the M stands for too...I just shot Mr. John Ottman an email directly asking what the M stands for and what the word [sic] may stand for. I gave him an example for sic...like in the ROTS cue sheet it says "Obi-Wan Fares [sic] Droids". I think someone may have mentioned a long time ago what it meant but I don't remember. It's always nice to be able to directly email a composer and ask certain kind of questions like this.

Edit: hehe, John got back to me on the matter here's what he said.

To tell you the truth, I have no idea! the "m" is always mart of a cue # and I think it comes from some German thing. But I really don't know. And the "sic" - dunno either!!

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I love composers that respond to their fans.Although it's mostly with the lesser known ones. Trent, didn't you say John Ottman sends out bootlegs of his own scores?

They're just promo scores, not the full deal and only if he has copies of them. I was able to get Volume 2's of Superman Returns and X-Men 2 from him both of which he signed for me.

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I'm guessing the "sic" is supposed to be the from the Latin...

Sic is a Latin word meaning "thus", "so", "as such", or "in such a manner". In writing, it is placed within the quoted material, in square brackets--or outside it, in regular parentheses--and usually italicized – [sic] – to indicate that an incorrect or unusual spelling, phrase, punctuation, and/or other preceding quoted material has been reproduced verbatim from the quoted original and is not a transcription error.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sic

I'm not sure what "Obi-Wan Fares Droids" was supposed to have been. "Fires"? "Fights"? So "sic" was used to indicate "Hey, that's what it said on the sheet, even though it may be wrong."

No idea 'bout the "M" either.

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I recall listening to some recording sessions and hearing someone saying "Reel 1, measure whatever..." once. At first I thought it was in Rain Man, but I couldn't find it. Perhaps someone else could find this buried in one of their recording sessions. Oh wait, I just remembered now. Someone says it on the Bob Dylan bootleg recordings. Let me go listen and find out.

EDIT: Never mind, he just says a bunch of letters and then says "Mr. Tambourine Man Take 1"

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I'm guessing the "sic" is supposed to be the from the Latin...

Sic is a Latin word meaning "thus", "so", "as such", or "in such a manner". In writing, it is placed within the quoted material, in square brackets--or outside it, in regular parentheses--and usually italicized – [sic] – to indicate that an incorrect or unusual spelling, phrase, punctuation, and/or other preceding quoted material has been reproduced verbatim from the quoted original and is not a transcription error.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sic

I'm not sure what "Obi-Wan Fares Droids" was supposed to have been. "Fires"? "Fights"? So "sic" was used to indicate "Hey, that's what it said on the sheet, even though it may be wrong."

No idea 'bout the "M" either.

Huh thanks for that davros. We do know the misspellings that John Williams tends to have for his cues. So it wouldn't surprise me if "Obi-Wan Fares [sic] Droids" was meant to be "Obi-Wan Fights Droids".

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The 'M' stands for 'music'. There are various possible configurations of these things, including M24 (either the 24th cue, or reel 2 cue 4 - it seems to vary), R1P2 (reel 1 part 2) or 1G (reel 1, cue 7).

That makes perfect and completely obvious sense. Especially remembering R2-D2 was named via "Reel 2, Dialogue 2"...

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I'm guessing the "sic" is supposed to be the from the Latin...

Sic is a Latin word meaning "thus", "so", "as such", or "in such a manner". In writing, it is placed within the quoted material, in square brackets--or outside it, in regular parentheses--and usually italicized – [sic] – to indicate that an incorrect or unusual spelling, phrase, punctuation, and/or other preceding quoted material has been reproduced verbatim from the quoted original and is not a transcription error.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sic

I'm not sure what "Obi-Wan Fares Droids" was supposed to have been. "Fires"? "Fights"? So "sic" was used to indicate "Hey, that's what it said on the sheet, even though it may be wrong."

No idea 'bout the "M" either.

Huh thanks for that davros. We do know the misspellings that John Williams tends to have for his cues. So it wouldn't surprise me if "Obi-Wan Fares [sic] Droids" was meant to be "Obi-Wan Fights Droids".

Another sic cue was 'The Great Dual [sic]'

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Another sic cue was 'The Great Dual [sic]'

Correct. "Sic" indicates that an error has been made but it's being retained. In this case it should be "Duel" not "Dual". It means the author is aware an error was made by someone else.

Neil

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Ah. So that means the other cue should be something like "Obi-Wan Fights Droids".

A-ha! I've got it! I bet it was "Obi-Wan Faces Droids". ;)

Wonder if these misspellings come from someone trying to read JW's (or someone else's) handwriting on manuscripts.

I like that theory more. He does face them after tossing aside four of them like a rag doll. Especially before the cue "Drawing Swords" plays.

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