Neimoidian 14 Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 Bond music needs anthems?Well, not literally. What I mean is memorable, rip-roaring, 'f yeah!" melodies that make your hair stand on end. Not merely repackagings of the Bond theme. The kind that Barry, Goldsmith and Williams once wrote.Indeed. Arnold is not Barry, nor Williams, nor Goldsmith. Yet, he is one of few actively working major western film composers who actually write distinctive melodies. There are much better educated, much more technically skilled film composers than him who have never in their career written anything as characteristic as Arnold did for Stargate, ID4, Last of the Dogmen, Tomorrow Never Dies, Godzilla, The World is Not Enough, Four Brothers, Stepford Wives or Casino Royale. Most of these scores include not one, but plenty of such melodies. Even latest Chronicles of Narnia consists of five or six easily indentifiable themes, some of which are probably the best written for a fantasy film in some years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 Arnolds method of scoring the Bond films is somewhat akin to Goldmsith's thematically unified approach. In that he tends to avoid "setpieces" and follows a more thematically consistant style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,513 Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 Eric Serra's GoldenEye is the best score in the franchise!So what cue stands out most for you?Personally, I like "Ladies First", "Whispering Statues", and the percussion-led unreleased piece in the hotel pool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitch 57 Posted January 12, 2011 Share Posted January 12, 2011 Eric Serra's GoldenEye is the best score in the franchise!So what cue stands out most for you?Personally, I like "Ladies First", "Whispering Statues", and the percussion-led unreleased piece in the hotel pool."Goldeneye" sung by the wonderful Ms Tina Turner is a million times better than a single blot on Eric Serra's "score". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 "The GoldenEye Overture" defines a good portion of my childhood. His "Run, Shoot, Jump" melody is pretty damn good, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 Eric Serra's GoldenEye is the best score in the franchise!So what cue stands out most for you?Personally, I like "Ladies First", "Whispering Statues", and the percussion-led unreleased piece in the hotel pool."Goldeneye" sung by the wonderful Ms Tina Turner is a million times better than a single blot on Eric Serra's "score".It's a nice homage to Bassey, but Serra's score is considerably richer. A lot more daring.Bond music needs anthems?Well, not literally. What I mean is memorable, rip-roaring, 'f yeah!" melodies that make your hair stand on end. Not merely repackagings of the Bond theme. The kind that Barry, Goldsmith and Williams once wrote.Indeed. Arnold is not Barry, nor Williams, nor Goldsmith. Yet, he is one of few actively working major western film composers who actually write distinctive melodies. There are much better educated, much more technically skilled film composers than him who have never in their career written anything as characteristic as Arnold did for Stargate, ID4, Last of the Dogmen, Tomorrow Never Dies, Godzilla, The World is Not Enough, Four Brothers, Stepford Wives or Casino Royale. Most of these scores include not one, but plenty of such melodies. Even latest Chronicles of Narnia consists of five or six easily indentifiable themes, some of which are probably the best written for a fantasy film in some years.Too many melodies you could argue, but none of them being especially memorable (or hair raising) or expressive. Very few cues having a life outside of the film. Distinctive? Well, occasionally distinctive of John Barry. Though more often resembling generic CSI underscore.I guess I preferred Barry's more abstract approach of affiliating with about three or four well developed themes with moods and ideas, rather than concrete characters and locations - something that you could probably trace back to Herrmann. After the advent of Williams and Shore's LOTRS scores, the later's become a bit hackneyed, and in the hands of a hands of a lesser composer - can result in inconsistent and chaotic handling of underdeveloped themes. Due to that over-abundance of thematic material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 Arnolds method of scoring the Bond films is somewhat akin to Goldmsith's thematically unified approach. In that he tends to avoid "setpieces" and follows a more thematically consistant style. ....aside from the first and best one, that is. Tomorrow Never Dies is very setpiece-y, and themtic consistancy is not one of its main features. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,000 Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 Which is not all that surprising, given the circumstances surrounding its creation.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naïve Old Fart 9,513 Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 Arnolds method of scoring the Bond films is somewhat akin to Goldmsith's thematically unified approach. In that he tends to avoid "setpieces" and follows a more thematically consistant style. ....aside from the first and best one, that is. Tomorrow Never Dies is very setpiece-y, and themtic consistancy is not one of its main features.It's got thematic consistency all over the place. Unfortunately, it quotes "Surrender", which is a piece of music that the audience does not hear until the end credits (duh!!!) so, from the audience's POV, there is no theme. I believe that, if "Surrender" - a much better song than what underscores the main title - was allowed to be "the Bond song", then the score - and the film - would be a much more unified piece of work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,000 Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 I still wish Michael Kamen could be given a second chance.Oh wait...Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 I just wish we would get a proper presentation of Kamen's score to A License To Kill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,000 Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 The original album is an abomination. But I still like it. The music, I mean.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neimoidian 14 Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 Licence Revoked is brilliant, the rest not so much. I really like the film, though. Great piece of action flick. Damn, I miss John Glen as a Bond director. (and Alec Mills as a DoP) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davros72 1 Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 License to Kill is another score I just couldn't get into all that much. I usually enjoy Kamen's stuff, but maybe it was the crappy little amount we got on the soundtrack album that soured me towards it? I don't know. I think it works fine in the film itself, but yeah we needed more score on that soundtrack. Instead we got to "enjoy" crap like "Wedding Party". Ugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 ....aside from the first and best one, that is. Tomorrow Never Dies is very setpiece-y, and themtic consistancy is not one of its main features.It is actually. For instance many of the themstic and rhytmic material for the scenes on the stealth ship are already hinted at during the Sinking Of The Devonshire cue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morlock 11 Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 It's still not what sticks out for me in that score, and not what defines it, whereas that is the most striking element of Casino Royale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,683 Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 I just listened to a few tracks from Goldeneye on spotify..... hoooly crap.It sounds like some sort of strange ambient album written during the 80s. Very rarely does it venture into actually being a normal film score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 It sounds like some sort of strange ambient album written during the 80s. Very rarely does it venture into actually being a normal film score.A few tracks sound very early 90s, but not the entire score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,683 Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 I'm glad he didn't continue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 Just be glad Michael J. Lewis got rejected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitch 57 Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 He'd be better than Serra any day of the week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 And twice on sunday! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitch 57 Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 And twice on sunday!You're pushing it now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlie Brigden 7 Posted January 16, 2011 Share Posted January 16, 2011 Theater of Blood FTW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 Have you heard his rejected score? If you haven't, please don't seek it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 I'm glad he didn't continue.Strangely enough, I'm sort of glad too. I honestly think after Barry, each Bond film should have a separate composer to give each film that distinct musical identity. So Arnold would have done TND, and not be hired again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 Have you heard his rejected score? If you haven't, please don't seek it out.I can't imagine it being any worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 It's worse than the video game score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie 1,059 Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 I didn't play the video game so I wouldn't know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 Release date announced!October 26th 2012 in UK and Ireland, November 9 2012 everywhere else!http://www.slashfilm.com/bond-23-arrive-november-9-2012/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 Martin Campbell calls Quantum Of Solace a mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,000 Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 If QOS is a mess then The Legend of Zorro and Green Lantern are... what?Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 Indeed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neimoidian 14 Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 Lousy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fommes 153 Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 If QOS is a mess then The Legend of Zorro and Green Lantern are... what?At least well directed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,683 Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 A 'mess' is the kindest word I'd use to describe QoS.One of the worst executed movies I've ever seen, frankly. I was bored and confused by the time the credits rolled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 I like it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,000 Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 I didn't exactly love it, but it was alright.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 2/5 from me. If it wasn't for the ridiculously handsome and suave star, it'd probably be even lower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,000 Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 You have a crush on Craig? Judging from certain rumours, he might actually return this sentiment. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 No crush, just admiration for blokes who carry themselves off like that. Grant, Connery, Ford. A few more years you can add DiCaprio. Not Clooney though; he's an unoriginal pretender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,000 Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 I know, I got that. Just teasing. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 I know you was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,000 Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 Anyway, I'd also like to add I definitely prefer Clooney to the likes of Norton and such. He might be a pretender, as you say, but at least he makes some impression. Besides, he's much better director than actor.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted June 23, 2011 Share Posted June 23, 2011 Clooney is probably my favorite actor working right now, along with Brad Pitt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,000 Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 So Javier Bardem is officially the new villain.Now that's a worthy opponent for Craig. Cool!Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 Nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixie_twinkle 48 Posted October 12, 2011 Share Posted October 12, 2011 I quite like QOS for what it is, but Campbell is pretty much right on the money with his comments. It was a sorry follow up to Casino Royale, especially as it was supposed to be the second half to the story. It feels more like a rather uninspired and rushed epilogue tagged on the end of Casino Royale than any kind of serious attempt to conclude the masterful story set up in CR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 The new Bond will be called Skyfall, and David Arnold will score it.The title is OK, nothing special.Great that Arnold truly is this series new John Barry! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,346 Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 Was it even in question that he would?BTW, always give a source for news items. Here's one:http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/03/skyfall-bond-23-james-bon_n_1073302.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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