Romão 2,274 Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 Well, Newman is a better composer than Arnold, plus Arnold has done half a dozen of Bond scores, so I'm glad we're getting a new aproach Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 5 is not half a dozen..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 Half a decuria Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neimoidian 14 Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 This, after all, isn't an official news, isn't it. It says exclusive, but they never mention the source. Anyway, I am sure Newman could score this movie properly and we might have a very pleasant score from him. Still I would like Arnold to return, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 He isn't back because of some other stuff he's doing. Or maybe he wants a break.KarolYou mean just like Williams and David Yates made a press release, making it "very clear both men wanted to work with each other"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryant Burnette 654 Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 Ugh...I have liked many Newman scores in the past, but he has never done ANYTHING which says "James Bond" to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,348 Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 Ugh, I liked many Williams scores in the past but he has never done ANYTHING which says "Disaster Film" to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,348 Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 I mean yeah, Shore's score to Mrs' doubtfire is nice, but for a film of any higher magnitude? Bad choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLUMENKOHL 1,068 Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 Remember that Thomas Newman is a proper composer, far more versatile than you'd think. I mean, look at all the members of his family. And also that he's mostly typecast to do the same exact scores all the time. He's surely capable of delivering Bond goodness.The question is, however, will they choose to follow that style.To David Arnold mourners: I'm sure he'll be back after this one. Why wouldn't he?KarolWhat?! When I think versatility, people like Goldsmith come to mind. Not Thomas Newman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricard 2,245 Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 Remember that Thomas Newman is a proper composer, far more versatile than you'd think. I mean, look at all the members of his family. And also that he's mostly typecast to do the same exact scores all the time. He's surely capable of delivering Bond goodness.Correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 Where is your proof, Ricard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricard 2,245 Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 I don't need to prove anything, Thomas will do it for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 We shall see.I'm rather dissapointed. Apart from Kamen, no one did Bond action music better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Skywalker 1,795 Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 Poorly said. Bond needs Thomas Newman, and you can't say his action music is weak when he has never really composed any. If you have a weak point... you usually avoid showing it. And try to get works that do not need you in that aspect.Maybe that's why he hasnt composed any, not that the poor man has never had opportunity...The Skyfall name got a whole new meaning with this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Thomas Newman is a great composer. Just because he has never ventured into the type of music a typical Bond film inspires, doesn't mean he can't. This will be a Sam Mendes Bond film, not a Bond film directed by Sam Mendes. That's what happened with Marc Forster.It also means Mendes and Newman will continue to collaborate. They made a creative choice to part for Away We Go. That happened with Fincher and Shore on Zodiac, and look what happened there. Fincher never went back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Craig was looking old in set photos. Can't wait to see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Some of his breif bursts of dramatic music in "Wall-E" could be construed as action material, especially if he scores this seriously and in a similar big fashion style.Examples:Those sound terribly bland to me.I have doubts he can conjure "cool" Bond the way Arnold did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tharpdevenport 4 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 MAtter of taste, I guess. My opinion on Arnold's Bond work is different than yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gruesome Son of a Bitch 6,488 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 I feel the same way about the various scores as I do about the film series. As long as it's entertaining, it's valid. I'm all for a change of composers and I like Newman. Let's do this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 To understand me correctly: I am all for a composer change too, Arnold's scores became very same-y.However, I am not sure Newman is the proper replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docteur Qui 1,544 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 I'm just curious as to how much of Barry's sound will be retained. The Barry-isms are quite obvious in Arnold's scores, and they work well with his style of writing. Will that continue or will we see a dramatic departure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romão 2,274 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 He should have it his genes:His father: His cousin: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrbellamy 6,286 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 A James Bond film directed by Sam Mendes, scored by Thomas Newman, and shot by Roger Deakins? This could be interesting. Won't be too dramatic of a departure from what's come before, of course, but sounds like it'll be a particularly well-crafted entry. And I've loved Newman's work with Mendes, thus far. American Beauty and Road to Perdition are both among his career-best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt C 454 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 I don't think a Newman-scored Bond film will be too dramatically different, as the producers will certainly want a certain sound for the Daniel Craig movies. Newman did a nice job nailing the Golden Age tone for The Good German without totally sacrificing his voice.But I don't expect Skyfall be scored like The Adjustment Bureau, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incanus 5,714 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 This was an interesting turn of events although somewhat expected since Mendes has had a good working relationship with Newman. This could be a very interesting Bond score and a chance for Newman to write something different. His love for small ensembles could be a change of pace from the Arnold scores though unless the producers demand a meatier sound from him. In all honesty Newman's orchestrations are often gossamer thin (to great effect in most of his scores), he loves his processed sounds and strange instruments so we'll see if those come into play in this score as well. Newman can and has he chops to adjust to the film like Matt says in the above comment about The Good German where he indeed channelled Golden Age sensibilities through his own with great success so there is definitely hope for this score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryant Burnette 654 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Ugh, I liked many Williams scores in the past but he has never done ANYTHING which says "Disaster Film" to me.You clearly didn't listen to "Lost In Space," did you?Ugh, I liked many Williams scores in the past but he has never done ANYTHING which says "Disaster Film" to me. And you could say the same with Shore and "Epic film", and so on... You just wait and see. Listen, I mean.Shore had scored "Looking For Richard" -- that's why I was sold on him for LotR as soon as he was announced.Again, I haven't heard ANYTHING from Newman which sounds to me like he's capable of delivering a classic Bond score. I hope I end up being wrong, but I think it's a bad choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tharpdevenport 4 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 The real balls was asking Kilar first to score LotR.If the Bond composers want to show a meaty pair, they could hire such out there choices as:David ShireGabriel Yaredinstrumentalist and rare composer, Robert DuganBrad FiedelAnd that's film composers. Then I could name orchestrators, television composer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Deakins is shooting Skyfall?How the hell did I miss that?!?Anticipation lvl: +20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quintus 5,399 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 If James Horner wasn't such and expensive bone idle bastard I bet he would turn in a brilliant Bond score - better even than what Arnold has produced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tharpdevenport 4 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Producer Jack Schwartzman wanted and got a replacement composer on "Never Say Never Again"; I don't know who and how far if anything the mystery composer did, but I do know he really wanted James Horner. So, close, Quint.Barry was actually wanted for scoring other Bond films, but medical problems, financial problems, location problems, prevented a few of them, that's why we got a jumble of other composers.Did you know, Monty Norman actually, as I recall, did some music for the next Bond film after "Dr. No"? He was hired for both. History in the Bond scoring franchise almost went very, very different routes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BloodBoal 7,538 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Did you know, Monty Norman actually, as I recall, did some music for the next Bond film after "Dr. No"? He was hired for both. History in the Bond scoring franchise almost went very, very different routes.As I recall music Norman wrote for Doctor No was tracked into From Russia With Love in a few scenes. That's not the same of him actually working on that film.Deakins is shooting Skyfall?How the hell did I miss that?!?Anticipation lvl: +20Stop wasting your life at school! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Great news. Arnold's reign of tyranny is over (for the moment).Glad to have a breath of fresh air, even if Arnold's QOS was surprisngly good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neimoidian 14 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 The real balls was asking Kilar first to score LotR.That rumour has been debunked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 I have doubts he can conjure "cool" Bond the way Arnold did.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUW9iInT24k&feature=youtu.behttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWwTyy1QCAo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koray Savas 2,251 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Newman can imitate other styles well, it's just that he tends to stick with his own. Nothing wrong with that.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6JMgFsA3Sk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tharpdevenport 4 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 The real balls was asking Kilar first to score LotR.That rumour has been debunked. Then whomever debunked it lied to you, 'cause I have two exceprts from interviews where he talked about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Are the chances for the composer's involvement in the title song higher or lower now that Newman is on board?I have doubts he can conjure "cool" Bond the way Arnold did.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUW9iInT24k&feature=youtu.behttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWwTyy1QCAoWith all due respect, that is nice for some casino lounge music, but I'm thinking along the lines of "Exercises At Gibraltar" and "White Knight".The above cues remind me of The Spy Who Loved Me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 If it's gonna be like that then we are screwed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 TSWLM is a great score, but nothing I would like in five sonsecutive films of the same franchise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#SnowyVernalSpringsEternal 10,265 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 It's a great score, belong very much in a late 1970's James Bond film.Those samples bring back memories of Never Say Never Again.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 If it's going to be like that, THEN we're screwed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 TBH, that SALTON SEA track reminds me more of George Martin's LALD and David Holmes's OCEAN scores, which is no bad thing by any means.@gkgyver - have you heard THE GOOD GERMAN? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkgyver 1,645 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Yes I have.But do you really think the producers/director will have Newman go purely orchestral?Or what do you mean when you mention The Good German? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkissimo 1,973 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 I mean the dissonant harmonies. I doubt SKYFALL will be purely orchestral like that, since that was aiming for a period sound (ala Franx Waxman), but it will certainly have a larger sound than anything we've heard from him before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 Yes, and I kind of doubt you could make a 50th anniversary Bond movie and abandon a Bond sound for it. Wouldn't exactly make sense.Altough, GoldenEye happened as well...Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neimoidian 14 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 The real balls was asking Kilar first to score LotR.That rumour has been debunked.Then whomever debunked it lied to you, 'cause I have two exceprts from interviews where he talked about it.I have heard this too, but then Howard Shore was asked about it 2 years ago during his visit in Cracow and he claimed he had been PJ's first and only choice, so apparently somebody doesn't tell the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Breathmask 555 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 And yet Richard Kraft told us he'd drafted up a contract for Basil Poledouris to score The Lord of the Rings at some point...Come to think of it though, it could just be that Basil was after the job. Not that he had been sought out by the producers and that the deal fell through at some point. Hmm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 8,012 Posted January 5, 2012 Share Posted January 5, 2012 When we discuss possibilities we need to keep in mind different people (producers?) might have had different suggestions and all that. It doesn't even have to do anything with Peter Jackson.Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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