Jay 37,306 Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 You're probably thinking of the fact that Varese's Gremlins 2 Deluxe Edition recently went OOP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Stu 15,495 Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 Why is Black Sunday on Spotify as copyright 2016 La-La Land Records? Did the rights transfer from FSM to them or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,306 Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 It's not a Spotify thing, they released it digitally on all the platforms On 5/19/2016 at 3:40 PM, Jay said: Now available digitally 320kbps mp3, 320kbps m4a, or 16bit/44.1khz FLAC: https://us.7digital.com/artist/john-williams/release/black-sunday-original-motion-picture-soundtrack-5318751?f=20%2C19%2C12%2C16%2C17%2C9%2C2 320kbps mp3: https://play.google.com/store/music/album/John_Williams_Black_Sunday_Original_Motion_Picture?id=Bauzvjq6o6iftiopsa22fjav4jy 256kbps mp3: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01EMVZDLI 256kbps m4a: https://itunes.apple.com/us/album/black-sunday-original-motion/id1106190184 FSM only ever had a license to release the score on the CD format, as is the typical process for almost every film studio back catalog specialty label release Mondo got a license to release it on vinyl and released that on LP in 2015: https://mondotees.com/blogs/news/18712535-black-sunday-original-motion-picture-soundtrack-2xlp Then LLL struck that deal with Paramount in 2016 to begin putting their scores up for sale digitally and included Black Sunday in the launch batch. Some additional info about that here: https://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=115196&forumID=1&archive=0 I thought MV had actually recently posted an update about this digital deal with Paramount, but I can't seem to find it now..... That_Bloke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1977 1,743 Posted October 6, 2019 Share Posted October 6, 2019 It seems to be dead in the water. I've asked MV numerous times and he keeps saying there's nothing to report. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,306 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 It appears this has finally gone out of print https://www1.screenarchives.com/title_detail.cfm/ID/13395/ Note, last time this happened: On 1/10/2017 at 10:33 AM, Jay said: It appears the FSM CD has quietly gone Out Of Print http://filmscoremonthly.com/cds/detail.cfm/CDID/443/Black-Sunday/ This happened 2 weeks later On 1/24/2017 at 3:33 PM, thx99 said: It's back up for sale at Screen Archives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 One of the first "previously unreleased" score of John Williams I bought! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Had it , sold it. It s a solid score that would have benefited greatly from Williams prepared ALBUM. If you don't believe me , ask THOR😊 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,474 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 1 minute ago, bruce marshall said: Had it , sold it. It s a solid score that would have benefited greatly from Williams prepared ALBUM. If you don't believe me , ask THOR😊 Sure, I agree with you. But in this case, I think it deserved its own soundtrack - at the very least - rather than just the Silva suite, which was all we ever had for years. So being released is in itself more important than the less desirable presentation. bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,673 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Can't you just put the album (yes Bruce, it's an album) on and enjoy it, without worrying about how it's structured? I'd hope that your desire for reconceptualisation only becomes a big problem if the album is compiled Thomas Newman style (even I struggle with his albums sometimes). This one doesn't look to bad, surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bespin 8,480 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Bruce, make a 30 minutes program with a lot of clunky edits. The whole world need that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,499 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 It works perfectly great! Damn fun score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,673 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 We've already got one Thor to handle; we don't need another reconceptualisation fanatic around here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Geez! I just wish a SOUNDTRACK LP was issued at the time the film was released. Who can argue with that? 4 hours ago, Jay said: Punks! On 2/12/2010 at 1:05 AM, AC1 said: Black Sunday is strinkingly humble and inconspicuous. If he wrote 2 more scores like that in the '70s, we probably wouldn't be discussing his music today. Alex You're not welcome here!😠 " strinkingly"? 😝😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thx99 1,740 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 3 hours ago, Thor said: Sure, I agree with you. But in this case, I think it deserved its own soundtrack - at the very least - rather than just the Edel suite, which was all we ever had for years. So being released is in itself more important than the less desirable presentation. Corrected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 4 hours ago, Bespin said: Bruce, make a 30 minutes program with a lot of clunky edits. The whole world need that. I already did that when I owned it. Sadly, unless I posted it on FSM, my program is lost to history😥 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 Just revisted the comments about BS over at FSM. INTERESTING! https://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?forumID=1&pageID=15&threadID=65533&archive=0 I wish Maleficio posted HERE! With Thor and myself we would make a formidable Trio# 😆 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datameister 2,037 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 I'd rather live in a world with only complete releases than a world with only abridged album programs. That being said, I do think that for some scores, there are definite benefits to trimming the fat for standalone listening. I think Black Sunday would be one of those. For a Williams score, it's relatively homogeneous and nondescript. Still grateful for this release, though - and in utter disbelief that it's been ten years. bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,326 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 7 hours ago, bruce marshall said: You're not welcome here!😠 " strinkingly"? 😝😁 Jaws and especially Star Wars have put Williams on the world stage, not Black Friday. But it's strinkingly striking that you should think that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 1 minute ago, AC1 said: Jaws and especially Star Wars have put Williams on the world stage, not Black Friday. But it's strinkingly striking that you should think that. I think " strinkingly" should be added to the language in next OXFORD DICTIONaries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A24 4,326 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=strinking It already made it to the Urban Dictionary! bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 2 hours ago, Datameister said: ...., I do think that for some scores, there are definite benefits to trimming the fat for standalone listening. I think Black Sunday would be one of those. For a Williams score, it's relatively homogeneous and nondescript. Well said! ( you really didn't have to put that disclaimer, it's so Thorian. 😆) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerateWohl 4,341 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 3 hours ago, Datameister said: I'd rather live in a world with only complete releases than a world with only abridged album programs. That being said, I do think that for some scores, there are definite benefits to trimming the fat for standalone listening. I think Black Sunday would be one of those. For a Williams score, it's relatively homogeneous and nondescript. Still grateful for this release, though - and in utter disbelief that it's been ten years. I am even satisfied with the 10-minutes Black Sunday Suite on the "Ultimate collection". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 4 hours ago, bruce marshall said: Just revisted the comments about BS over at FSM. INTERESTING! https://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?forumID=1&pageID=15&threadID=65533&archive=0 I wish Maleficio posted HERE! With Thor and myself we would make a formidable Trio# 😆 Fortunately, the longest Star Wars score is just 223 minutes long so he'll be fine. As for Black Sunday, it works well on the FSM album. The score has a clear structure and I love it gradually builds up tension. Not quite unlike Close Encounters. Yes, the scores shares some DNA with other more famous John Williams scores but it is also quite unique in his career. Karol Holko and crumbs 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 Two hundred and twenty three minutes?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 Allegedly. Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 13 hours ago, Richard Penna said: I'd hope that your desire for reconceptualisation only becomes a big problem if the album is compiled Thomas Newman style What's his style? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,474 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 9 hours ago, thx99 said: Corrected. Edel? I always thought it was Silva: https://www.silvamasters.com/track/MjIwMDkzLWNjZTAyMA/ thx99 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 He's probably got the german release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,673 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 24 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: What's his style? Most of his albums are just a bunch of cues on a CD, without a lot of rearranging that I can see. Finding Nemo has 39 mostly short tracks. bruce marshall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 14 hours ago, Jay said: It appears this has finally gone out of print https://www1.screenarchives.com/title_detail.cfm/ID/13395/ Note, last time this happened: This happened 2 weeks later Hopefully, Mike has finally has found better master elements and we'll finally get a definitive release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,499 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 5 minutes ago, Jurassic Shark said: Hopefully, Mike has finally has found better master elements and we'll finally get a definitive release. "the complete score has been newly mixed by Mike Matessino from the original 2" 16-track masters." It won't get better than that and the score sounds mostly great. At best the revised Explosion could be found, that's the only bit on the set that comes from the mono film stems and doesn't sound very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crocodile 7,984 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 Yeah, it would be nice to have the triumphant film version of the explosion cue in stereo (as out of place as it sounds). Karol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 Yeah, I was referring to the mono track. And didn't Mike have to reconstruct an approximation of the end title or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,499 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 The film version end credits is an edit that replaces JW's intended cue. Mike recreated it for the last track (revised mono finale+these new editorial credits) because why not. The intended credits cue is still presented with and without percussion. Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thx99 1,740 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 2 hours ago, Thor said: Edel? I always thought it was Silva: https://www.silvamasters.com/track/MjIwMDkzLWNjZTAyMA/ 2 hours ago, Jurassic Shark said: He's probably got the german release. Interesting! Yes, I have the Edel German release (pictured below). But if this is the same recording that @Thor linked to above via Silva, then either the attribution of the "L.A. Symphonic Orchestra" on the Giants of Cinema CD is false, or Silva's CoP credit is false!! Weird, I never really looked into it! Credit for images: http://johnwilliams.free.fr/pistes.php?lang=us&album=giantscine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,030 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 They probably found it too embarassing to write CPPO. After all, this is from the days when this ensemble was highly variable in quality... thx99 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corellian2019 384 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 4 hours ago, Holko said: It won't get better than that and the score sounds mostly great. At best the revised Explosion could be found, that's the only bit on the set that comes from the mono film stems and doesn't sound very good. A few source cues could also be included on a re-release Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holko 9,499 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 There's more? Properly JW-composed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corellian2019 384 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 There are more, but not composed by him. However, it would be nice to hear them in great stereo sound Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce marshall 1,315 Posted December 24, 2020 Share Posted December 24, 2020 On 10/14/2020 at 6:47 PM, bruce marshall said: I already did that when I owned it. Sadly, unless I posted it on FSM, my program is lost to history😥 Found! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,306 Posted February 11, 2022 Share Posted February 11, 2022 This is now removed from Spotify, Amazon MP3, iTunes, etc etc - though strangely still up on 7 Digital (maybe they didn't get the memo) Maybe a re-issue is coming? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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