Dr. Rick 1,157 Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 US Marshals and The Big Fix https://www.varesesarabande.com/products/u-s-marshals-the-deluxe-edition https://www.varesesarabande.com/products/the-big-fix-the-deluxe-edition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellosh 3,418 Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 US Marshals and The Big Fix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Rick 1,157 Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 Hey look, @Thor it's a Premier release!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bollemanneke 3,346 Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 Pass and pass. My wallet i grateful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,501 Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 2 minutes ago, ATXHusker said: Hey look, @Thor it's a Premier release!!! Excellent! A nice surprise. I think I saw THE BIG FIX ages ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,599 Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 16 hours ago, Koray Savas said: Christ are there seriously paragraphs being written over this petty dispute? Some things never change. It's because Thor gives off the impression of being a logical person, so one feels the urge to keep trying and trying (to little avail). So Thor...when was the last Varese Club batch that was all expansions again? Yavar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 US Marshals! Great! Very manly score. Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 I will order this Jerry Goldsmith expansion! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Rick 1,157 Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 21 minutes ago, bollemanneke said: Pass and pass. My wallet i grateful. Same! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
publicist 4,643 Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 No-nonsense action writing I still dig: https://032620clips.s3-us-west-1.amazonaws.com/usmarshals/25.mp3 https://032620clips.s3-us-west-1.amazonaws.com/usmarshals/29.mp3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,501 Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 24 minutes ago, Yavar Moradi said: So Thor...when was the last Varese Club batch that was all expansions again? Probably the one before this, I have no idea. But either way, great to see a little Conti gem put out there. You see, it DOES make sense to wish for premieres from Varese! As for US MARSHALS, I've seen the film once, many years ago. Fairly pedestrian compared to the wonderful THE FUGITIVE, and the score rather perfunctory - which is why I never picked it up in the first place, and certainly have no intention to now. But I'm well aware an expansion has been a deep wish for fans for years. Congrats to them, I suppose! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,072 Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 35 minutes ago, Yavar Moradi said: It's because Thor gives off the impression of being a logical person That's because he's a first-rate actor! Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,599 Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Thor said: Probably the one before this, I have no idea Trick question. I don't think there has ever been a Varese Club release yet that had no reissues or premieres. Last time it was a reissue with an expansion. Time before that it was a reissue and a premiere with an expansion. And this time it's a premiere with an expansion. 1 hour ago, Thor said: You see, it DOES make sense to wish for premieres from Varese! Sure, but it does NOT make much sense to say, "Please, no expanded/C&C/"Deluxe" (sic.) releases!" 1 hour ago, Thor said: As for US MARSHALS, I've seen the film once, many years ago. Fairly pedestrian compared to the wonderful THE FUGITIVE, and the score rather perfunctory - which is why I never picked it up in the first place, and certainly have no intention to now. But I'm well aware an expansion has been a deep wish for fans for years. Congrats to them, I suppose! I just learned on the FSM board that (similar to First Knight and the Lancelot theme), the original U.S. Marshals album left off entire themes Goldsmith had written, so it seems this had a stronger argument for expansion than even I was aware of... Yavar A. A. Ron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theMaestraX 106 Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 EXcited for U.S Marshals. Much Improvement over that earlier release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,072 Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 14 minutes ago, Yavar Moradi said: I just learned on the FSM board that (similar to First Knight and the Lancelot theme), the original U.S. Marshals album left off entire themes Goldsmith had written, so it seems this had a stronger argument for expansion than even I was aware of... That score has themes now? Color me intrigued! Yavar Moradi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,599 Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 Lol. Yeah I certainly don't remember much beyond motifs. This is probably the Goldsmith action score I know least of all...which means it's possible it will be a revelation to me in complete form. Yavar Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,072 Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 I guess you won't cover the score in your show before this release is long out of print... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,599 Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Jurassic Shark said: I guess you won't cover the score in your show before this release is long out of print... You're probably right! And there are plenty of other scores before and after it which are already out of print. Yavar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,501 Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 2 hours ago, Yavar Moradi said: Sure, but it does NOT make much sense to say, "Please, no expanded/C&C/"Deluxe" (sic.) releases!" It makes perfect sense. And I'm no doubt going to say it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,687 Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 There's a difference between expressing a preference to see more premieres, and actively not wanting expanded releases to happen. The first of those is a preference that is as reasonable as anything. The second is just selfish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A. A. Ron 1,742 Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 14 minutes ago, Richard Penna said: There's a difference between expressing a preference to see more premieres, and actively not wanting expanded releases to happen. The first of those is a preference that is as reasonable as anything. The second is just selfish. I'm pretty sure such nuance escapes him. 42 minutes ago, Thor said: It makes perfect sense. And I'm no doubt going to say it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,501 Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 36 minutes ago, Richard Penna said: There's a difference between expressing a preference to see more premieres, and actively not wanting expanded releases to happen. The first of those is a preference that is as reasonable as anything. The second is just selfish. Tha'ts completely insane. Wanting to see more premieres automatically means not wanting expanded releases to happen. And....I hate to break it to you, but WISHES are 100% selfish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricard 2,245 Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Thor said: It makes perfect sense. And I'm no doubt going to say it again. Please don't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brundlefly 2,385 Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 Yeah, one of these discussions is more than enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,501 Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 I probably will. Time will show. I usually don't care about announcements such as these, but anyone is free to wish for whatever they wish. Varese, thank you for releasing Conti's THE BIG FIX! I hope there will be more premieres in the time to come, and less expanded releases! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Penna 3,687 Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 35 minutes ago, Thor said: Tha'ts completely insane. Wanting to see more premieres automatically means not wanting expanded releases to happen. And....I hate to break it to you, but WISHES are 100% selfish. What? How is it 'insane' to be able to express a preference but also be open to both types of releases happening? Are you really that truly selfish that you actively don't want expanded releases to happen? Don't bother answering that. I've had enough and we all know the answer. A. A. Ron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,501 Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 17 minutes ago, Richard Penna said: Are you really that truly selfish that you actively don't want expanded releases to happen? Yes. That’s what preferences are about, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricard 2,245 Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 46 minutes ago, Thor said: I probably will. Then you'll keep polluting this forum with endlessly redundant arguments that will help *nobody*. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,347 Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 Here is my preference: Please John Williams, no interviews with anything interesting, just more fluff interviews please. A. A. Ron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,501 Posted March 27, 2020 Share Posted March 27, 2020 2 minutes ago, Ricard said: Then you'll keep polluting this forum with endlessly redundant arguments that will help *nobody*. No arguments in this case. Just wishes. Surely, a person is allowed to have a wish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricard 2,245 Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 Yes, arguments and victimhood. We're not dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,501 Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 I have no idea what you’re talking about. But yes, new Varese out. Good stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricard 2,245 Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 Just now, Thor said: I have no idea what you’re talking about. Why are we not surprised? A. A. Ron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,501 Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 Seriously, what is your issue? Please, be specific. Is the call for 'premiere' and 'no expansion' problematic somehow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,347 Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 11 minutes ago, Thor said: Seriously, what is your issue? Please, be specific. Is the call for 'premiere' and 'no expansion' problematic somehow? Call for others enjoyment to cease yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor 7,501 Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 22 minutes ago, Fal J. M. Skywalker said: Call for others enjoyment to cease yes How is my wish ‘call for others enjoyment to cease’? Do I somehow have a magic power over film music labels? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faleel 5,347 Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 1 hour ago, Thor said: Seriously, what is your issue? Please, be specific. Is the call for 'premiere' and 'no expansion' problematic somehow? I am only using your words, you called it a call first, not me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yavar Moradi 2,599 Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 3 hours ago, Thor said: Tha'ts completely insane. Wanting to see more premieres automatically means not wanting expanded releases to happen. And....I hate to break it to you, but WISHES are 100% selfish. Not Aladdin’s third wish! Doesn’t anybody wish for world peace or an end to hunger, etc? Don’t see why wishes have to be selfish. How is it that somehow I myself can both “want to see more premieres” and “want expanded releases to happen”? Doesn’t seem so insane to me. Yavar A. A. Ron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,072 Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 6 hours ago, Thor said: Tha'ts completely insane. Wanting to see more premieres automatically means not wanting expanded releases to happen. Since the speciality labels have quite a limited capacity, more expansions does indeed mean fewer premieres. 6 hours ago, Thor said: Varese, thank you for releasing Conti's THE BIG FIX! Hoping you'll write a review soon! 4 hours ago, Thor said: Do I somehow have a magic power over film music labels? C'mon, we all know that you're secretly running all the major specialty labels! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unlucky Bastard 7,782 Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 I'm actually with Thor on this. The labels should put an indefinite freeze on expanded releases, and cease production on them permanently. The music that was initially left off the original albums was never meant for public consumption, therefore the studios should lock them in moratorium forever, never to be heard outside the films themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,072 Posted March 28, 2020 Share Posted March 28, 2020 Better destroy all the film copies while you're at it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FunnyML 82 Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 I can certainly recommend The Big Fix. An isolated score feature has been prepared for the Twilight Time bluray release, so this one was about to happen sooner or later. If you don't know the score, you can find a montage of certain cues on my channel: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 OK this is really interesting. Peter Hackman is one of the nicest people I have ever met in my life, and previously I had never heard him say anything negative about basically anything in the world. But lately he's been making some posts on FSM dissing on Robert Townson (without directly using his name, though). Quote While working at Varése, the amount of releases Cary and Bryon and sometimes I wanted to get out was enormous and my gosh we tried are darnedest, but we got resistance from time to time from someone. I can't even begin to remember how many years Dolores has been being worked on 5 or more yrs I think. On another note... When you allow the other producers at the label to release the actual recording for a legendary film by one of the greats, but then take it back once the composer passes away because you want all the praise & admiration from the film music community and your friends after you release it, then it is not about the music nor the composer, it's about yourself. That is when it's time to take a step back and look within to find out, how I can get that passion back, that drive to make it ALL about the music. https://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=140019&forumID=1&archive=0 In case you can't read between the lines, he is talking about Townson wanting to produce all Goldsmith expansions himself, slowly down how frequently they came out after his death. Bryon Davis followed up with Quote Yep...but concerts were always more important rather than prolifically releasing albums. I love concerts as do all of us but we get paid to put albums together. Getting music to the world is important and no one producer/person is more important than the music It seems Townson kiboshed an expanded Brainstorm by Horner: Quote Ahh Brainstorm, now there's an interesting Varèse memory I have with Cary and Bryon. SO close to get to work on it, SO freaking close, then snatched back then never worked on... And an expanded Dante's Peak by Frizzel, @Richard Penna Bryon Davis is the first person quoted below Quote Quote Yep. Remember Dante's Peak as well? So much work and then somebody had to put the kibosh on it because well...ego. Funny that all we wanted to do was get the stuff people have been wanting out sooner rather than later. Sorry fans of film music, we tried At least there is this followup from Bryon Davis: Quote Quote Is that a way of saying that Dante's Peak won't come out? That's easily my most wanted Varese expansion, as the OST is a lamentable representation of the score. No. We want it out. https://filmscoremonthly.com/board/posts.cfm?threadID=140084&forumID=1&archive=0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,072 Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 Well, that's only one side of the story, but it's easy to believe - it's not the first time I've heard that Townson is high on himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 I met him backstage after the Prisoner of Azkaban concert in London two years back. He took all the credit for making Dracula happen, not mentioning Mike at all. Holko, Yavar Moradi and 1977 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,072 Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 Hehe, did he also take credit for not checking the "mono" tapes properly? 1977 and Amer 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 There was two hot young ladies there he was trying to impress, he told us all that he was the one who found the missing tapes to make the release happen Demondm810 and 1977 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,072 Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 Do we know who discovered the sources used for the release? I can't remember. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay 37,355 Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 Mike Matessino found the missing tapes Source: http://www.jwfan.com/?p=11733 The full story is told from 3:18-10:36 but if you want to jump right to the meat of it that starts at 6:04 Jurassic Shark 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurassic Shark 12,072 Posted May 6, 2020 Share Posted May 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, Jay said: he told us all that he was the one who found the missing tapes to make the release happen That doesn't sound like the best strategy to impress women. Fabulin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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